DreamBox vs Nfusion
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2684 Registered: Sep-06 | I own as of this moment neither. I would like to find a different type of Receiver besides a Viewsat, pansat, coulsat,....etc... Lets do a real world comparison. Including but not limited to Price including Shipping to a house in USA, Programing Providers a user can receive on each, and features. If after reading this post you decide to make a purchase of eather box we do NOT in any way guarantee that the receiver will allow you watch or receive any programing from any provider besides true FTA "in the clear" channels.. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2685 Registered: Sep-06 |  Features 250 MHz PowerPC Processor (350 MIPS) Linux Operating System, Open Source DreamCrypt embedded 1 x Smartcard-Reader MPEG2 Hardware decoding COM port V.24/RS232 100Mbit full duplex Ethernet Interface 2 Status - LED 32 MByte RAM Unlimited channel list for TV/Radio Channel change in less than 1 second Fully automated channel scan Supports unlimited Bouquet Lists EPG-Support (Electronic Program Guide) Supports multiple LNB switches (DiSEqC) Adoptable OSD (Skin-support) SPDI/F optical TOTX178 AC-3 output 1 x SCART output A/V output (Audio / Video Cinch) External 12V power supply Dimensions: 196 x 130 x 40 Dishnetwork satellite, DirectTV satellite and TV satellite dish compatible Includes: * 220/110 Power supply * Null modem Serial Cable * 4 Way Diseqc Switch * Remote Control |
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Silver Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 298 Registered: Jun-07 | I am interested?? Let me get this straight...you are not hooked up to the internet to operate Dream box, Right? If that`s the case I would want dream box over nfusion. Nfusion you are always hooked up to internet, right?? Now I could see myself putting out 200 bucks for one, but am sure they are thrice that? Seems the benefits are...I would be up right now perhaps instead of down? Would get fix before almost all others. When a fatal ecm hits...having dream box will not mean much. just my 2 cents...open to correction on all my points. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 6579 Registered: Jun-06 | At one point nearly a year ago, I bought a Sonicview 4000, which was great buy at the time. There have been confusing reports about nfusion and requirement to be connected to Internet all the time. I admit I have not paid enough attention to all the details. If a continuous connection to Internet is not a requirement of nfusion then I think it would be th ebetter buy, because of its cost, would it not? |
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Bronze Member Username: XpehbamChina, NC Post Number: 63 Registered: Jun-05 | Nfusion has better quality picture. DreamBox don't. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2690 Registered: Sep-06 | PRICES as of Now E B A Y For a fast comparison DREAMBOX 500 Several sellers $160 shipped Nfusion Nova Several sellers $219 shipped So we can clearly see the Nufusion is about $50 higher. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2691 Registered: Sep-06 | VBNfusion , We would like to see a real world comparison. A link to screen shots, test's side by side mabee? I myself will have a hard time taking the word of a new user with a post worded like that with nfusion as their nick! |
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Silver Member Username: ScabzKnoxville, Tn Us Post Number: 197 Registered: Oct-07 | So ,would you need another cable wire running to your nfusion or dreambox ? |
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Bronze Member Username: GhostcdnPescara, Abruzzo Italia Post Number: 27 Registered: Dec-07 | open source boxes are better not tied to any programming group....ie, tbl vs tr |
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Silver Member Username: YakovakiPost Number: 127 Registered: Sep-07 | fta....you got yours from ebay??? im looking in to the dreambox myself i may ask my supplier about it....what is up on it now??? just IKS??? it seems that most of the sites i look on for it have out of date stuff...maybe you can refer me to a site that has the latest info on the box |
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Silver Member Username: YakovakiPost Number: 128 Registered: Sep-07 | does dreambox have any other units other than the 7k series and the 500 series? do they have a way of getting hd?? by adding a module with dvb card?? |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2692 Registered: Sep-06 | REVIEWS Nfusion http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/Bereiche/Produkte/DM500_featurelist.php |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2693 Registered: Sep-06 | I agree open source would be better I wish the viewsat OS was so we could play with it more... yes their are DREAMBOX's that do HDTV the last link their is to the manufacturer's website their you will find all the information on the various receivers they offer.. yes both the nfusion and DREAMBOX use a Ethernet connection to obtain updates. |
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Silver Member Username: CreekSmithtown, New York Post Number: 425 Registered: May-06 | Are the Dreambox or Nfusion HD ready, Do they have a HDMI plug? In the future, everything will be 1080p., BluRay... |
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Bronze Member Username: XpehbamChina, NC Post Number: 64 Registered: Jun-05 | Dreambox 500 don't have component video RGB, only composite RYW. This is why the picture quality will be worst.. |
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New member Username: MinetcalinPost Number: 2 Registered: Sep-07 | I have a DM-500s ... but I am a bit loss ... I am familiar with linux os, since my job is hosting. I loaded an image ( Gemini 420 ), then uploaded the channel list ( Custer 100-119-91 ) then loaded some cams ( OpenCam 1.3.5 , Rqcamd 0.45, EvoCamd 2.17 ). I get channel lists, but I don't sem to receive from the satellite when I scan for transponders... Anybody has a simple guide ( not the one of loading, connecting , etc... I have that ) of what files are required and how to get B3V and Charlie ? That would be nice ... meanwhile, I will be testing and if I get it, I will post a simple how-to .... |
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Silver Member Username: CreekSmithtown, New York Post Number: 426 Registered: May-06 | C'mon this is easy to answer. Go in the back of you Dreambox, and Nfusion. Do you see a small opening and on top written HDMI????? Yes or no??? |
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New member Username: NelutzPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-07 | NONE OF THEM HAS HDMI |
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Silver Member Username: CreekSmithtown, New York Post Number: 428 Registered: May-06 | Thanks. Case closed. |
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Bronze Member Username: Chicken_zackaryPost Number: 32 Registered: Dec-07 | and Thread Closed |
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Silver Member Username: Bill038Post Number: 380 Registered: Sep-06 | WOW, such authority |
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Silver Member Username: Dr_dssPost Number: 423 Registered: Sep-07 | ( Gemini 420 ), then uploaded the channel list ( Custer 100-119-91 ) Not fimilar with that channel list so unsure if it's current. I would look for the most current list you can find. Then you need to check your lnb and switch settings. A/A = port 1 Diseq A/B port 2 Diseq B/A port 3 Diseq B/B port 4 Diseq Press blue button and select the emu you wish to use. OC and RQ will only give you the 101's right now because of the new timing map57 for video control words ECM. select a 0101 channel You should have video. Dreambox 500 don't have component video RGB, only composite RYW. This is why the picture quality will be worst.. false! you can get a scart adapter and have either s-video or component out. just my 2 cents...open to correction on all my points. Just stfu know one around here cares what you or your puppets say or think. You are not only clueless but totally worthless |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1104 Registered: Oct-07 | ok guys nfusion works with internet.. how does dream box work with internet? with bins? with card(plastic)? |
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New member Username: Love_qadriPost Number: 4 Registered: Dec-07 | i just want to ask one question. Is it worth to buy NFUSION receiver or not??? Thanks |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1108 Registered: Oct-07 | buy it .. its worth ... |
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Silver Member Username: Dr_dssPost Number: 424 Registered: Sep-07 | ok guys nfusion works with internet.. how does dream box work with internet? with bins? with card(plastic)? All the above |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1112 Registered: Oct-07 | all the above... then its better.... are u 100% sure... if it is then its better buy... |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1113 Registered: Oct-07 | so is it still up during recent ecm... i am not sure if its being sold in canada... |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2696 Registered: Sep-06 | Nfusion no not worth it Dreambox beats it hands down no comparison...Both work in the same way as far as getting the channels to work...Dreambox has more features and cost is CHEAPER only a fool would still want a box married to only what the coders do with it DREAMBOX is open source... Their is a rummer of a dreambox 8000 due to come out early 2008 that will be HD none are now No news on a Nfusion box comming that is HD and none are now. You DO NOT need HDMI to view HD content, but it is the best interface as it is 'Digital'. There may also be limitations impossed on non-HMDI connections i.e. there was talk of blocking HD signals over non-HDMI connections (i.e. over component you would not be able to view some HD content as tehy are worried about Pirating). |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 65 Registered: Jul-06 | AFAIK, Dreambox is NOT up right now, nFusion is, While I agree that having open source Linux like the Dreambox allows tons of flexability and the possibility of more coders working on a fix, the question is, are they enough of these out there (in NA) to warrant more than 1 team of coders? I know they are quite popular overseas, but I don't think they are as much over here. Therefore I would say support is just average. Ultimately, the best fta box, is the one with the best support, and the one with the best support is usually the one with the higher sales (& a good team of coders). Want another example of how important support is? Dreambox, Neosat and nFusion are all IKS capable receivers, and yet only one of these is up right now. |
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Silver Member Username: Dr_dssPost Number: 425 Registered: Sep-07 | Dreambox is NOT Dreambox is up via aux |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2698 Registered: Sep-06 | Both box's are up Dreambox and nfusion. your last statement is untrue i see on the dreambox forums that they are up. this thread was not started to argue about that anyway We want REAL WORLD comparison of DREAMBOX vs Nfusion Dreambox wins this Debate so far working is working |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 67 Registered: Jul-06 | I wasn't aware Dream was up on aux - is it working for both bev & dn? |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1121 Registered: Oct-07 | linux... i know u need to upgrade ur computer there.. did u add the money to upgrade ur comp.. no so... who ever is comparing both. pls add that do... the thing is nfusion is plug and play thing dream box.....not.. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2699 Registered: Sep-06 | You will not need a super computer to control a dreambox. I have setup a older 1g processor 512men with xp pro to run it with.....were are you getting your information? provide links |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1123 Registered: Oct-07 | u guys are talking about linux.. i think its not same as microsoft or am i wrong.. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2702 Registered: Sep-06 | Sada only the receiver dreambox runs linux you can use a windows computer to control the receiver, update, stream video to or from it, change the skin (the waythe menu's look) all that.. also Linux is always FREE FREE FREE Open source |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1124 Registered: Oct-07 | so how does it work? is it update throught internet? through bins? i don't know fta tester...its confusing. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2704 Registered: Sep-06 | The dreambox can do both or eather. It depends on what is working at the time. It updates thru the internet just like any and all FTA receivers do it just it through a Ethernet connection. You can send all kinds of data to the receiver thrue the network and the receiver can send data to the computer via the Ethernet connection....stream video so you can record it (drv) or watch it from away from home via the internet.. hope that helped |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1127 Registered: Oct-07 | ok .. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 70 Registered: Jul-06 | FTA Tester - If you want to know which box is 'better' then shouldn't you include the Neosat in your comparison? Like the Dreambox, it can use regular scripts, card, or IKS, plus for it's pvr recording unlike nFusion, can use a usb hd? As well the current nFusion is really the old model Neosat 1000. Just a suggestion - what do you think? |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2716 Registered: Sep-06 | Well ok you are saying the nfusion is a clone of a neoesat? What all does this neosat do? do you have links to sites about it? not just places to buy it....reviews, forums.. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 71 Registered: Jul-06 | See link for some basic info. I will have to dig for more... |
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New member Username: ZinePost Number: 1 Registered: Nov-06 | DM500s can be used as a PVR by conecting it to a remote HD, even better solution for noice redution. |
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Silver Member Username: Koko_wawaPost Number: 159 Registered: Aug-07 | Dreambox 500 FTA Satellite Receiver #1 Features 250 MHz PowerPC Processor (350 MIPS) Linux Operating System, Open Source DreamCrypt embedded 1 x Smartcard-Reader MPEG2 Hardware decoding COM port V.24/RS232 100Mbit full duplex Ethernet Interface 2 Status - LED 32 MByte RAM Unlimited channel list for TV/Radio Channel change in less than 1 second Supports unlimited Bouquet Lists EPG-Support (Electronic Program Guide) Supports multiple LNB switches (DiSEqC) Adoptable OSD (Skin-support) SPDI/F optical TOTX178 AC-3 output 1 x SCART output A/V output (Audio / Video Cinch) External 12V power supply Dimensions: 196 x 130 x 40 Includes: 220/110 Power supply Null modem Serial Cable Remote Control Details Weight 4.00 lbs Price: $199.00 |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2750 Registered: Sep-06 | karkour, I posted that hours ago....you have anything new to share? please read a thread first then if you have new information that has not been posted feel free to post. thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: VittuPost Number: 96 Registered: Oct-07 | Things I like about NFusion, It's damn easy to setup. I think this is not the case with DreamBox provided you have some basic knowledge of ftp, networking, etc.. as for NFusion, just a rj45 to it from a router and there you go.. |
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New member Username: ZinePost Number: 2 Registered: Nov-06 | No bouttons to manually operate Dreamboxexcept the on/off button, If you lost or damage your Remote Control, you will be ...... |
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Silver Member Username: MuftaPost Number: 279 Registered: Nov-07 | does any one of you have nFusion or Dreambox? i'm interested in buying one.. just doing some research and comparison. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2752 Registered: Sep-06 | We have seen a few post's even here were it was quite that easy to set up but after it is all installed it is reported that its easy to keep going.. Yes the dreambox does take a little learning but their are wondefull easy "how to's" out their |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 18 Registered: Dec-07 | I say go Nfusion, mines been up since the day I bought it. Setup is easy and IKS has the nfusion wide open on all channels including the UFC fight which I'm recording for my brother right now  As soon as a stable cardless fix is available it will be running without IKS. Free support is available over at F2aTV.com or nfusionforum.com Dreambox currently has no cardless fix and niether does any other FTA. Both dreambox and Nfusion are running by being connected to the internet. Either way, go into some nore forums, do some reading and ask some questions. Dreambox [link removed] or [link removed] |
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Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1603 Registered: Feb-07 | it's very f *ucking confusing here. fta tester you promote dream box and other trhey go fo nfusion. stop ittttttttttttttttttttt. some poeple say drwam box is down only nfusion . other say something different . are both up or nottttttttttttttttttt? and also we heard dreambox got hit like the other fta box. so why would i buy something useless that i have to wait for the fix . tell me the box that dont go down i will buy it nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. i dont care if it's iks or not. i will use it and watch till they come get me who cares. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2777 Registered: Sep-06 | dream box is working and has been all this time. its cheaper, does more and has free support. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 19 Registered: Dec-07 | Nfusion is up with IKS, I can testify to it because as I said I own one. It works and it works well. Setup is easy enough and as I've said before as well, mine was up and running within ten minutes of me getting the box home. As to the dreambox, it is up with cardsharing via the internet. Cardsharing and IKS are NOT the same thing. Cardsharing (unless you know someone whos knows someone who kills some people) is a paid service. IKS is free, completely free. Anyone who says theres a charge is misinformed and anyone on the net who charges you for nfusion files, support or IKS is ripping you off. F2aTV does NOT charge for support. You can also get a dreambox running if you get a card, a programmer and setup your own server using your own computer. Sound complicated? It is. As to Dreambox using IKS, I've read some say it's possible but that no one is actually doing it right now. No one offering the server means IKS is not currently happening with the Dreambox. I may be wrong on that last point but unless someone can link to a thread in an active forum showing that IKS is wide open on dreamboxes (iks NOT cardsharing) I'll assume I'm right. No FTA is currently running cardless without the internet. Nfusion is up with IKS, Dreambox is up with Cardsharing. |
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Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1608 Registered: Feb-07 | dean i can not ask for more. you made it very clear and weel spoken . thanx lot. but lot of poeple including me dont know the real difference between iks and cardshring. what is the most reliable . and internet key sharing or cardsharing ? hummm did not get it much . does this may happen that one day you can not get iks or cardsharing ?????????? which is more reliable thanxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 20 Registered: Dec-07 | It's not so much the differance between IKS and Card Sharing (CS) that matters in the present situation. It's the fact that IKS and Nfusion are much easier to setup, have fantastic support and once your setup nfusion requires little to no interaction from you. I am still astonished at how this box just sits there on it's own and rolls right through every ecm like it's nothing. Specificallty though, IKS is simply allowing your nfusion to retrieve the keys automatically from a server. No matter how many times Dish or Bev rolls the keys, and no matter how many times they activate one set of keys or another nfusion can continue to operate. CS on the other hand relies on someone allowing you to access thier server and share a card with you. Most public servers are pay servers, there are private ones but last I checked thier not easy to get into and most people won't even name them. Dreamboxes are not easy to setup and far from user friendly. I don't see the dreambox as better than an nfusion because there is nothing about a dreambox that makes it better. All of the talk about the Dreambox streaming the internet and all of that seems pointless to me. What good is that if your box isn't getting you tv? It's not that I see the Dreamboxes as a bad box, but for most users and for people looking to relax and watch TV dreambox isn't the way to go. From a support, functionality and ease of use aspect the Nfusion wins hands down. On top of all the advantages of Nfusion right now, nfusion is still in development. That means more features will be added as time goes on. One more thought to add, for people considering a dreambox for it's web surfing capability. Your much better off running your satellite box into your pc and then getting a good big screen lcd. I've been running my system like that for years and I love it. I have far more functionality than a dreambox lol I can watch videos, surf the web, watch movies, tv streams, satellite tv and listen to music all at the same time if i feel like it. Just for the hell of it I tried playing BioShock at the same time as all of that and it worked perfectly. Now thats functional. Not to mention between the nfusion, vista mce's pvr, my dvd drives and my sony dvd recorder I have multiple ways to record anything I watch and I never have to move hard drives around or buy external drives. That last bit has nothing to do with satellite specically but it does have to do with me bragging about my setup :D |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2778 Registered: Sep-06 | ok mr. Dean The point of this thread was to do a real world comparison of the 2 box's. I am going to do a little more studing but at this point leaning toward the NFUSION now... |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2781 Registered: Sep-06 | We are studing on this hard now......starting to like INFUSION |
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Silver Member Username: Space_invaderAndromeda M31 Post Number: 361 Registered: Nov-07 | hey, TFT... My neighbor got yesterday an nfusion nova... I don't like it... its slow and it's needs the internet more often that what I expected... My neighbor says that he got it because he's tired of waiting for the fixes... Other than that, I will keep my cw-3000, at least I can keep creating applications for it and upgrade it at any time... I am posting this with it and playing video games... I don't regret buying it... |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 75 Registered: Jul-06 | One thing that I don't like about the Dreambox 500 is that it only has composite video out; no component out. For me, this alone is a deal breaker. On a big screen tv, the picture will look like crap. Right now, I`m thinking nFusion or Neosat. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2801 Registered: Sep-06 | http://www.svideo.com/dmrgb.html thats the adapter needed for the dreambox that always bothered me as well...I get mixed reports if it is needed or not. Also I asked in 2 forums yesterday if dreambox was up. One post was deleted and one remains unanswered that tells me something is up... I am now done studying I will buy the Nfsion |
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New member Username: Sat_proPost Number: 1 Registered: Dec-07 | What we need to know is how long the support will last.There can always be a fix but it takes money. If one or the other sell what wtey want to sell will they cont. to support.Also if things get harder to fix it will take more money.One year is a long time for Nfusion how much longer will it last if people start to buy. I know of one year it could be longer. |
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New member Username: Sat_proPost Number: 2 Registered: Dec-07 | Just to add since 10/24 things are getting wors and, wors. |
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Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1618 Registered: Feb-07 | more we read more we get scared. as u know totalfta claims they were hijacked . and they change their site domaine. many sites claim they were hijacked . i think we should take a leave of absence . |
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New member Username: Sat_proPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-07 | I just checked the link above they claim Nfusion sold out. |
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New member Username: Sat_proPost Number: 4 Registered: Dec-07 | It just seams like there is a problem with that extra provider. |
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New member Username: Sat_proPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-07 | For the above "Yes both are up at this time". |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 36 Registered: Dec-07 | Just like at alice's restaurant Ebay You Can Get Anything You Want  |
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New member Username: Trendsetter369Post Number: 1 Registered: Dec-07 | I HAVE one valid question. Does Nfusion work on TV also or we can just watch the stuff on PC monitor through it. thanks in anticipation.}}}}} |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2814 Registered: Sep-06 | It is a fta receiver just like any other designed far a user to watch on a TV. Its just another extra feature that a user can also send the video thru the network to a computer. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/428318.html  |
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New member Username: Trendsetter369Post Number: 2 Registered: Dec-07 | TFT Thanks FOR the quick reply. I donot have a good knowledge for this issue. You mean to say that with Nfusion one can see the channel on a TV as well as on a PC Monitor. Well this is a big advantage.I want to buy Nfusion in case it is best. How come they are better than others on Bin replacement.What I understand is the bin is automatically searched and fed by receiver via Internet or there is a Team of Nfusion people with lot of Gray Matter that facilitate the whole process. If so does this mean Coders at Nfusion are better equiped in technology to decode the ECM of Dik and BEV. THanks in Advance[TIA] |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 1 Registered: Dec-07 | Wow, there seems to be a lot of misinformation here about the Dreambox. Well I don't know anything about the nFusuon, but the Dreambox is what you make it, it's not for the person that likes everything spoon-fed to them. In other words if you're looking for a system that you pull out of the cardboard box, demand a bin file from a supposed coder support structure for your free tv, then this is not the box for you. The Dreambox comes in many flavors, from the entry level DM500, to the new DM600 with PVR ability, the DM7000 & DM7020 with PVR, USB, Compact Flash and multi-boot ability, the DM7025 with dual tuners, and the DM8000 once released will have HD. The Dreambox has multiple inputs/outputs such 100mb Ethernet, optical audio out, and contrary to the posts here it does have component output via the primary output which is a SCART connector, and this can take any of the various adapters such as S-video/RCA audio, or combo S-video/Composite/RCA audio, and then there's the Component version. The Dreambox is more of a hobbyist box with the ability to do all sorts of stuff, such as load up any of a dozen or so constantly evolving front ends, choose from a variety of fixes, change interface skins or make your own, load up custom channel lists any way you like. And of course it's a satellite receiver, but since it's also a Linux box you can do so much more, things like stream to and from it, remotely mount via NFS, SMBFS, or CIFS, load up a library of MP3's, copy over AVI's, MPEG's, or VOB's to play at your leisure, pull RSS feeds off the net, you can even play simple games on it, or if you have the skills port over other Linux applications. The video quality is excellent, even better on B3V with their limited compression, and the audio is as good as any box out there, especially the Dolby Digital channels. There is more of a learning curve on a Dreambox, but it's not that difficult once you dive in, and with relatively easy upkeep you'll be hooked. The support for the box is community driven, a rather sizable community of folks helping each other learn and play, and during it all if there's free TV thanks to the many coders amongst us so be it, but it's all about learning and experiencing something exciting and rewarding. And as a side note both providers are up as we speak, the DB community is usually up when others are not, not always but usually, it's rare to be down for long, and it's not via Internet, aux, or card share. If you really want to learn go to DBFN.TV. I would suggest anybody that's in this hobby probably ought to have a variety of boxes, and with the DM500's as cheap as they are on eBay you can't go wrong. Personally I love my DM7020, it's a bit more expensive but with the 320GB hard drive and 1GB compact flash I have in it I can do quite a bit. |
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New member Username: Nfusion512Post Number: 1 Registered: Dec-07 | So is nfusion UP right now? |
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New member Username: Nfusion512Post Number: 2 Registered: Dec-07 | So is Nfusion Up right now? |
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Bronze Member Username: XpehbamChina, NC Post Number: 66 Registered: Jun-05 | YES! Always up.. |
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New member Username: Nfusion512Post Number: 4 Registered: Dec-07 | thanks for the reply! |
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Bronze Member Username: VittuPost Number: 99 Registered: Oct-07 | when was NFusion last down? I know it's always up. |
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Bronze Member Username: XpehbamChina, NC Post Number: 70 Registered: Jun-05 | I am not sure! I have my for 3 weeks now, and it's still running. |
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Bronze Member Username: BrmPost Number: 11 Registered: Oct-07 | question.. if nfusion is connected to internet for iks, arent you vulnerable for tracking and prosecution ??? thanks.. |
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Silver Member Username: CreekSmithtown, New York Post Number: 453 Registered: May-06 | Thanks JALTX, for you detailed information about the Dreambox. Since I am interested, not only in watching TV, but in watching it in high definition, I will wait for the new DM8000 with HDMI port. I don't want to worry about hundreds of sound and video adapters. When I buy a new receiver it will be one that is automatically updated, and it comes with a HDMI port. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 76 Registered: Jul-06 | Great post JALTX! The SCART plug on the Dreambox is interesting. I never knew what they were for exactly, but I understand now that they basically carry all the audio & video info as well as other features over the 21 pins. |
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New member Username: Trendsetter369Post Number: 5 Registered: Dec-07 | What is the basic difference in Dreambox and other receivers viz Viewsat etc . I mean how the bin is changed fast on dreambox.Is it automatic or the team at Dreambox feed it. What is the this better process that dreambox and Nfusion are up all the time. I do not know about it . Can somebody tell me. When possibly Dreambox HD will be launched as I have Samsung HDTV Thanks. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2819 Registered: Sep-06 | the main question we ALL here have is simlpy, is the dreambox up and working now.....makes no deliverance what it takes be it ikc, a bin file whatever just a simple can you watch with that receiver dn-bev programing. Also has it been working and is it reliable... |
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Silver Member Username: VndpatelPost Number: 426 Registered: Mar-06 | i dont think a lot of people have this reciever |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 21 Registered: Dec-07 | Both Dreambox and nfusion are up and have been up through all of this. As far as reliability goes, nfusion has been up for over a year with no more than an hour downtime and that sort of downtime rarely happens. If IKS ever goes down it's normally back up in less than 20 minutes. Dreambox has been up on and off with cardless, and up full time (like nfusion) when connected to the net or with a smart card. Again the differance comes in the card sharing (or auxing/using plastic) versus IKS, but thats been discussed to death. Nfusion - up for over a year with cardless and IKS Dreambox - up and has been up with cardless and CS/plastic In any Dreambox forum (including DBFN), the effect of the current ECM can be seen. Discussions went on about the Dreambox being down and being without a cardless fix. Ironically some of the posts were made at a time when even Fortecs had a temp fix. Dreambox has not been the first box up after an ecm in a long long time. Slightly off topic: Most FTA's have a temp cardless fix right now as most everyone knows, it has been stated as temporary and is not expected to last. Due to the current ecm, boxes with cardless fixes are taking between 10 and 20 seconds to change channels. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2822 Registered: Sep-06 | Dean You say in your post their and please don't get me wrong and i am on med's LoL You can see the effect of the current ECM on any dreambox forum even DBFN I myself can not find that information. Can you point us too that... whats your pick between the two? thanks for your great incite.. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 22 Registered: Dec-07 | I've read the following article and it's a good rundown of the dreambox. I especially like the chart that shows the differances between the models of dreamboxes available. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox Compare the $140 dollar DM500 to the other models which rise dramatically in price as you move up the line. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 23 Registered: Dec-07 | DBFN http://www.dbfn.tv/forum/index.php I'm sticking with my nfusion lol I've tested the DM500 and I actually thought about buying a 7020 once. The 500 failed me miserably and I could do nowhere near what I expected with it so I ditched it less than a year after I bought it. The 7020 runs so pricey that I just can't see any worth in it given that I already run my satellite box through my PC and have been doing that for years. I have no doubt that theres more to play with if you shell out the bucks for a 7020. But since I have no interest in cardsharing, I don't feel like programming plastic for an FTA box, and I actually want a functional satellite reciever. The Dreambox is of no use to me. I spend enough time with computers lol As i said above dreamboxes go cardless but so does every other FTA and the dreamboxes cardless is no more reliable. DM500's have other issues that never get mentioned, problems blindscanning, problems with motors etc. If anyones curious, equipment I've tested in the past or am testing: BUD (C-band) Fortec LTU Pansat 2500 Pansat 2700 Pantec MX Ultra (x2) DM500 CW 600s Premium Nfusion Nova 1 Meter Motorized Dish 2 Stationary Dishes Plastic related: Charlie 301 Dave RCA (H/HU) |
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New member Username: Trendsetter369Post Number: 6 Registered: Dec-07 | DEAN , thanks for your detailed reply.Could you please let us khow , how Nfusion and Dream are up against others. How these sets are better than viewsat etc on technology front as they catch the ECM immediately and never down. Why less no. of people buy them. Is there any demerits of N fusion set.Secondly, is there HD version of Nfusion avalable as of now. Thanks |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2825 Registered: Sep-06 | Dean thanks for your imformative post's I am also thinking of getting a nfusion now |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 78 Registered: Jul-06 | Don't rule out Neosat either. I've been researching all IKS receivers and on paper, Neosat looks better than nFusion. It has a faster processor and it accepts usb hd for its pvr function. Where it lags right now behind nFusion is IKS support. Right now it is up, but it was down a few days when nFusion stayed up. However, its IKS is still in beta stage, and once complete, should be as reliable as nFusion. Not sure of the whole story behind it, but apparently nFusion is a spin off of the original Neosat when one or more partners decided to leave. I think if the IKS improves, it may be a better choice as it can also do card sharing and regular bin files if needed. That gives you 3 options to stay up. Plus it can be found for less $$$ that nFusion right now. I'm going to hold out a bit and see if they get the IKS going 100% before I decide. |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 2 Registered: Dec-07 | I think with IKS you run the risk of being busted. Who runs the key sharing servers? Are they located offshore? Getting access to server records would not be that tuff on U.S. based servers. Seems like a lot of risk. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 24 Registered: Dec-07 | It's already been said on this forum and others counteless times, the IKS servers are offshore and they don't keep connection logs. Theres no more risk running IKS then there is downloading a bin, card sharing or programming plastic. In fact since IKS is basically just key sharing theres a much greater risk involved with smart cards. Anyone whos nervous about thier ip being tracked can setup a proxy on thier connection and that greatly reduces the chances of any logging of your real IP. As the saying goes, if someones that afraid of the risk they need a new hobby. Most people who bash IKS have no idea how much it actually takes legally and financially to get ahold of a server wether it's on US soil or not. If it was that easy every person who breaks the law online would be in jail. Regardless, there is said to be a surprise coming from the nfusion team that will put an end to all of the IKS fears. |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 42 Registered: Dec-07 | I Have a question is it possible to run the infusion through your computer having the soft ware all ready on it that route's through a anonymous proxy it would just use explorer right if it is possible to do so thank's |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 43 Registered: Dec-07 | And if you can't run it though your computer how do you set up the proxy to do this without your computer please let me know this is getting fun!!!!   |
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Bronze Member Username: KrishnPost Number: 41 Registered: Sep-06 | JAL: In your previous post you posted "And as a side note both providers are up as we speak, the DB community is usually up when others are not, not always but usually, it's rare to be down for long, and it's not via Internet, aux, or card share" Can you please explain how?? |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 26 Registered: Dec-07 | mjhp, basically in order to do this you need to configure an open proxy to route all traffic from your router back into your pc. Then from there it would pass through an http proxy software on your comouter and on to it's destination, the internet. Something like freeproxy or tor would work as the software. Esentially if you have no idea how to setup a proxy other than a browser proxy you have alot of reading ahead of you lol It's better done with an internal router opposed to an external one since configuring the interal is pretty simple if you know the commands. Either way as I say, you need to hit google and start doing some reading. Many people have tried tracing my ip by various methods and so far I've lived in the US, France, Canada, Brazil and Russia. I will not say where exactly i live but needless to say I'm not russian and I'm not a 52 year old woman lol I do this for the lulz and not much else. Proxying nfusion is hardly a concern for me. As I said in my other post, give it a bit and see what nfusion pulls out of thier hats to make the IKS worries go away for everyone. |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 44 Registered: Dec-07 | Thank's Dean |
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New member Username: Marito2Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-06 | I was told that by downloading a corrupted file to a viewsat extreme 2000 you can kill the receiver, the question is.. what are the chances to kill your new Nfusion when the internet will do it for you not knowing if the file is bad or good? } |
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Bronze Member Username: Bugster999Katy, Tx Post Number: 85 Registered: Dec-05 | so if i have a neosat ipro1000 can I use the nfusion bin to get it up and running? |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-07 | Subash, you asked how it's being done, it's basically the same as the bin files on other FTA boxes. The Dreambox community like I said in my first post is supported by just that, the community, if you have the skills you help support the cause, be it through code for creating or modifying an EMU(encryption emulator), creating or modifying front ends, creating or modifying skins, pulling channel lists and making custom lists available, porting applications for use on the box, etc. It's all community driven/supported. There are no promises by any manufacturers or dealers that you will get anything, it's all about what the box is capable of and what the community does with that ability. Dream Multimedia just manufactures the things and they are lucky enough to have a very die hard customer base with the skills to make things happen. There are a lot of people with these boxes, and it has a very strong European/North American/Australian base. As a matter of fact the European base is so strong that many of the front ends & plug ins are created there. The North American based users had to step up to the plate in 2006 because up to that point NA users were using Evocamd as an Emu, and all users using a cardless fix were at the mercy of this non open source code. When these European coders got tired of people whining for a fix they decided to keep the code to themselves, hence Opencam was born by some very talented NA coders, within a month they pulled off nothing short of a miracle. Since that code was open source another Emu was born called RQcamd which was based on Opencam but with some modifications which sometimes would come out with a fix sooner, sometimes it was more stable, but the point is we had options. And nothing against Dean, but he simply doesn't have the full story on Dreamboxes, I've had my DM7020 for two years now and love it. It's an incorrect statement that Dean had "Dreambox has not been the first box up after an ecm in a long long time.", he is dead wrong there, we have enjoyed being the first on the block several times in just the past year alone, mainly thanks to our own coders, and not relying on some underground paid group of coders that definitely do not share with others since it's all about profit. We've literally been up within hours, sometimes minutes after an ECM just to watch VS, CS, Pansat users screaming for fixes on other boards, sometimes for days after we had the fix. There's a lot going on in the under world of the coders, both paid and unpaid, and when your talking about boxes like Viewsonic and Pansat, those that cannot be manipulated by the end users like a Dreambox or Tripledragon, or even the PC based DVB's running Emunation, those boxes that cannot be manipulated by the end users are completely at the mercy of coders that can disappear over night, we can modify the code ourselves, and believe me we have quite a few talented people doing just that all the time. I by no means am bashing the nFusion, since I have no experience with this box I'm in no position to say it's the better way to go. As I said before, if you are in this hobby it's best to have a couple or more options at your disposal. At this time Dreambox cardless is up entirely on Bev and Dish with 2 to 30 second channel change delays due to brute force decryption, usually the change is within just a few seconds. Bev needs manual key updates every few days, Dish auto rolls. |
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Bronze Member Username: Bugster999Katy, Tx Post Number: 86 Registered: Dec-05 | dreambox IKS or something different? |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2844 Registered: Sep-06 | JALTX, That was a super great post. Very informative. I still dont cant cofused as to what receiver to get a dreambox or a NFUSION....after reading your post now I want a dreambox again.....the entire open source idea is so intreaging... |
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New member Username: MuchoPost Number: 10 Registered: Dec-07 | We have some smart people here. They have posted over 100 times Which receiver is better to buy? I am sure glad that you not trying to buy a new car  |
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Bronze Member Username: KrishnPost Number: 42 Registered: Sep-06 | JAL TX: Here is a c/p from another website: [link removed] As of Jan 01, 2008 02:00 PM CST IKS based Receivers are up!! 1) Nfusion - Wide open 2) Tessat - Wide open for DN & BEV 3) Neosat - Wide open for DN....not for BEV? 4) Triple Dragon - Wide open DVB Based System 1) dvb-s pci with emunation v3.0.0.9 - DN and BEV up. 2) Dream Box - Wide open -with opencam 12.29 dec. 29th version. 3) CW 3000HD - new file posted...need confirmation They say it is DVB based - are they wrong? |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 4 Registered: Dec-07 | DVB is short for Digital Video Broadcasting, so yes as can be read on Wikipedia: "The Dreambox is a Linux-powered DVB satellite, terrestrial and cable digital television decoder (set-top box)." The Triple Dragon is also DVB, and although there may be an IKS solution out there for it that does not make it IKS based. As a matter of fact many Triple Dragon users are using the EMU's for the Dreambox. What does it matter if it's DVB? |
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Bronze Member Username: KrishnPost Number: 43 Registered: Sep-06 | What the list means is a PCI DVB cards, which is not the same as bin based FTA. May be I could be wrong on this? |
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Silver Member Username: KirankumarKenya Post Number: 588 Registered: Oct-07 | Guys, we were trying to help this thing,but it turns out it is a F#cking guy.posing as a fudi Ghazala Go Screw yourself,whoever you F@cking are,and don't bother ask for any help.khote |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-07 | Subash: I think I see where you're going with that, you took my "it's basically the same as the bin files on other FTA boxes" statement as literally a one file bin solution. The Dreambox and Triple Dragon are STB's(Set Top Box) with built in DVB, not a PCI card that goes into a PC like Twinhan, SkyStar2, Skywalker-1, Digiwave, Genpix, and Dvbtech. All these need a series of files, and depending on which EMU you choose you typically have a CAM file, and bin files such as ROM102.bin, a .conf configuration file, keylist and autoupdate key files. Other files are generated by the CAM based on current ECM, such as mecm files. These files get placed in slightly different directories depending on which Front end you choose. And for those that don't like to figure out the detailed file locations, the DB community has many savy users that post front end specific tar file packages for others to load on their box, which when run will put all the files where they need to be. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2855 Registered: Sep-06 | African are you ok you must be in the wrong thread this one is a discussion about Dreambox vs Nfusion |
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Bronze Member Username: KrishnPost Number: 44 Registered: Sep-06 | JALTX thanks trying to learn! TESTER - unfortunately every thread has some off topic crap |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 28 Registered: Dec-07 | JALTX what your saying is based on a 7020 user's experience, not a dm500 which is what FTA Tester was talking about in the first place. The wikipedia link I posted above clearly shows the DM500 to be sub-par. It doesn't have half the features of a 7020 and even on ebay the 7020 runs over 600 dollars. I never denied that the 7020 is a much better box then the 500, i can speak from experience with a 500 but not with a 7020. Common sense shows that the 7020 would be better, more features, more functionality equals better performance. It was all of the misinformation about Dreamboxes that led me to buy one in the first place. People talk about all you can do with the box, never mentioning that the 500 does virtually none of it. Even streaming tv on a 500 is a pian in the rear. It may be open source but the functionality is very limited. As to wether or not the dreambox is up first in north america, they weren't this time. I think thats about all the proof anyone should need. Aside from that I don't know how long you've been in the game but I know for a fact that the Dreamboxes were not up first after the N2 switch and they were down for a very long time after that without CS. It's what stopped me from buying a 7020. I'll give you that people who buy dreams generally don't bin beg or post everyday asking when the next fix is coming. That aside, I'm sure it's no less of an annoyance knowing that you (not literally you) paid 600 bucks for a box that isn't doing much of anything a 3rd gen nano can't do because there's no fix for it. I mean seriously, if a DM7020 were half it's current ebay price and if they had IKS working then I suppose it would be worth it. At over $600, doing nothing you can't achieve by plugging your sat box into a decent digital tuner on your pc. Thats alot to spend just to play. The Dreambox is a good box but it's not user friendly. They are not "bullet proof" and they are not always the first ones up after an ecm. Even after the latest ecm the proof is in the pudding so to speak. Nfusion never went down and I believe niether did triple dragon or Neosat. All of this got started talking about a $140 dollar dreambox versus a $220 nfusion. My point is what it was in the first place, and it's simple. When it comes down to it, $220 for an nfusion is a good price. It's a solid box and it has yet to be put down by any of the ecm's. Talk is that even a card swap can't put the box down. Legal risk is minimal given that the servers are offshore and not keeping logs. The DM500 is not a very good box, it is limited in what it can do and without CS it goes down just like everything else. IKS is free, CS unless you know someone will cost you money. There is in my opinion no question that the Nfusion is a far superior box than the DM500 simply because it's user friendly, support is free and the nfusion works. It doesn't matter who codes what or what you can do with a box if it doesn't serve it's main purpose which is to bring in the signal. As far as Nfusion being a Neosat clone lol Yet another rumor to keep people from buying what works and keep people buying shite. There's nothing pesonal intended with that statemnet mr bobo shan, but if you have some proof of the nfusion being a clone then please, post it. |
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Silver Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 889 Registered: Nov-07 | As to wether or not the dreambox is up first in north america, they weren't this time Linux boxes where up a 2 days after this last ecm using OC Legal risk is minimal given that the servers are offshore and not keeping logs u can bet DN and B3v both are also connect to this server. I guess no one has heard of packing sniffing ip hijacks and spoofing. |
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Silver Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 890 Registered: Nov-07 | There's a lot going on in the under world of the coders, both paid and unpaid, and when your talking about boxes like Viewsonic and Pansat, those that cannot be manipulated by the end users like a Dreambox or Tripledragon, or even the PC based DVB's running Emunation, those boxes that cannot be manipulated by the end users are completely at the mercy of coders that can disappear over night, we can modify the code ourselves, and believe me we have quite a few talented people doing just that all the time. Oh no this can't be true. Trannyboi Debra said that all coders like in caves and are monks. She said there are only a few coders in the world. Ur statement has to be untrue cus Debra knows everything. |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 6 Registered: Dec-07 | Dean, you seem to have a lot of anger toward Dreamboxes, you actually sound like an nFusion dealer the way you come across. My post is based on the very first post on this thread, not the second one where FTA posted the DM500 specs. The thread title is Dreambox vs nFusion, and since there are currently five models on the market, six if you include the two different DM500's, then that pretty much broadens the playing field. And I don't know where you're getting your prices, but $600 is a lot of money for a DM7020 on eBay, I bought mine on eBay for $420 brand new, and I have several friends that got theirs from Canada for the same price from dealers. The new DM600 is going for $299 new and is a very nice box, If they had been out when I got mine I would have purchased it instead. My box paid for itself years ago, I can't fret over +-$100 give or take on original purchase when my box is up %99 of the year, I really don't give a crap if it's the first to be up or not, in two years the longest it was completely down was a couple days, it's very rare that everything is down, the premiums took a big hit mid 96, and that affected most FTA boxes the same way. I'm not here to provoke, I just wanted to give opinion about something I know quite a bit about, the Dreambox line, and prior to my post in this thread there was little real information. Your experience with the DM500 is not indicative of the average user based off my experience, I have many friends with DM500's that have them doing practically everything my box does. You come across with this nFusion is "bullet proof" pitch, well if that IKS stream gets whacked go ahead and preach the virtues of the door stop attributes, my box will never be a door stop because of all the extra options Dreamboxes have, at the very least it's a multi-media STB even without the "FREE TV." |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 7 Registered: Dec-07 | "the premiums took a big hit mid 96", that was supposed to be 2006, sorry. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 6689 Registered: Jun-06 | Title: Dreambox v. Nfusion. Dreambox is a DVB solution, and Nfusion is a IKS based Receivers. It seems that people have overlooked the fundamental difference in this discussion. There are many DVB based solutions. Dreambox started as a Linux based receiver but with proprietary additional software to make it work. Later this special additional software became more-or-less open, but still not under Open GL. There is a lot of manufacturers in the computing industry cashing in on the words Open GL and Open source. Later you discover that the crucial part that makes th thing go is not 'OPEN', i.e. not modifiable by you or my a Linux Guru. Nfusion IKS basis has been attacked by a lot of people with minimal understanding of IPs. I had, in 1997 a web site running from my home which was on a Broadband with a Dynamic IP address supplied by my provider. I had to make arrangements with a dynamic DNS service. Today there are at least 6 places where you can get your IP masked and originate from outside of North America, so People should stop talking about that aspect. Implement it if you want to or shut up. What is more relevant is what this IKS based service is like and what it costs. Is the IKS giving live feed during ECMs or just keys and BINs when needed? Criticism has been levied against Dreambox because it only has Composite Video. That is another nonsense. The whole of Europe has a SCART standard in audio/video and this one with its origin in Germany is no exception. I had a SCART multi-adaptor in UK, which took in three SCART inputs and provided (with a manual switch) outputs of various types including SCARTs, two composite, and two s-video. http://www.svideo.com/ypbprsv1.html Here is a Wiki on it. SCART cannot carry both S-Video and RGB signals at the same time. It is, however, possible to output S-Video and RGB alternately, (for example, from an S-VHS + DVD combo player), and the TV set will adapt automatically if it understands SCART's S-Video extension. Dreambox should be compared with other DVB card based solutions, which can be cheaper and more flexible if you are willing to use your home computer as the chassis for housing a card, and a much wider availability of the facilities and the flexibility of Open GL. Nfusion should be compared with other IKS based solutions |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 29 Registered: Dec-07 | I do not nor have I ever sold any FTA units used or new lol I have virtually every piece of testing equipment I've ever owned including my old c-band stuff which is sitting in storage. As to me having anger toward the Dreambox, I have none. My points remain, they are not user friendly, they are not always up without CS and they do not currently support IKS. DM500's are limited in thier uses and DM7020's are overpriced. The 7020 I looked at a couple hours ago: http://cgi.ebay.ca/DREAMBOX-7020-Si-LINUX-ORIGINAL-GARANTIE-2-ANS_W0QQitemZ26019 8522430QQihZ016QQcategoryZ8344QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Plus it's in belgum, there is another listed at 415 but thats in China. I for one wouldn't buy a box from china no matter how cheap it is. Maybe if it's five dollars. A simple google search shows prices in the US and Canada ranging from $640.00 all the way up to $820.00 This thread is about Dreambox Versus Nfusion yes, but it's also a spinoff of another thread. FTA Tester posted in post #2 regarding the DM500 because thats the box he was looking to buy and has been talking about buying for I believe over a week. I have mentioned the 7020 to him in another thread. I've said already the 7020 would be a good box, but it's simply overpriced. As I also said, the dreambox does nothing that can't be achieved by running you sat box through your computer. Even if you combine the cost of an nfusion and a good digital tuner it still comes out over a hundred dollars less then what you paid for your dm7020. As to the door stop issues, well if you like the idea of having an overpriced mp3 player/video player I guess you never will have a doorstop. I for one know that any FTA box can still recieve true FTA signals, meaning my nfusion will never be a doorstop. As well, my box will still be running through my pc's tuner which means I'll always have more entertainment on my widscreen then any dreambox can provide. By the way, if I was a dealer my brother would have an Nfusion, not a CW600s Premium. He wanted a playstation 3 and a psp for christmas lol not an nfusion. When his birthday rolls around in a couple months, he'll get one. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 6692 Registered: Jun-06 | See Justice's post re IKS. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/429705.html |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2866 Registered: Sep-06 | Wow what a thread so nfusion is the better choice? |
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Silver Member Username: AbjPost Number: 483 Registered: Feb-06 | its all depends on your choice ... read up both receiver and make your own choice. I like it, it serves the purpose. When the update show on my screen, I can just use the updated file and get off the internet. I use Nfusion as back up |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2868 Registered: Sep-06 | Is the Nfusion from Tulsa? The phone # on their website come back to a tulsa location. |
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Silver Member Username: AbjPost Number: 484 Registered: Feb-06 | its made in korea the size is about the cigar box. smallest I've seen for receiver so far |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2869 Registered: Sep-06 | ok but is the company behind it from Tulsa? |
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Silver Member Username: AbjPost Number: 485 Registered: Feb-06 | I don't think so, it might be just a number for dealer. Not sure...Sorry I don't remember seeing a number for Tulsa |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2871 Registered: Sep-06 | Its on the main site not a dealer site. The # traces to a investment group in Tulsa...interesting |
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Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1621 Registered: Feb-07 | i dont understand what make you sure guys that the server is offshore . overseas . anyone did the intalation???/. now u do the talk but something happen bad you all gonna say well we dont know. anyone has a proof that this server is overseas???/ the one who says it is are the one that already have nfusion. sure they have to make themself feel little secure. kind of u lie to yourself. but i hopeeeeeeeeeeeeee im wrong and the server is out of the states and we are safe to use it ., |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 30 Registered: Dec-07 | All this talk about the server getting busted and ip's getting traced is nothing but fear mongering. Anyone who downloads a bin file better not forget to put on your tinfoil hats and check you butts for alien implants ;) |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2883 Registered: Sep-06 | I just bought the Infusion at www.dishjockey.com so now just waiting for it to arrive. I will be now concentrating on getting everything ready for its arrival. re: having all the necessary routers, wire ran, files on the host computer... |
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Bronze Member Username: MuchoPost Number: 13 Registered: Dec-07 | Thank God,it's over.Make sure you get her room ready. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 31 Registered: Dec-07 | If you don't already have a router, I'd suggest the Netgear WPN824v2. The v2 is fully vista certified and works flawlessly with the nfusion. Security is up to date and as routers goes it's very reliable. Even if your not running vista right now, in the future you'll have one less thing to deal with. You can get a good price on them on Ebay. If you want to look at other routers theres a whole sticky over at F2ATV, thier pretty busy right now but later tonight you should be able to get in no problem. |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 1258 Registered: Oct-07 | hi fta tester let us know how it worked out for you.. may be u will help us to do a proxy settine (SOME EASY INSTRUCTIONS).. SO WE can all safely use nfusion.. and if you can't figure out anything on nfusion let me know.. |
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Silver Member Username: AdavePost Number: 102 Registered: Jun-06 | IT'S TOO MUCH ABOUT NFUSION. I THINK IS GOOD FOR BACK UP.BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORK FAST AS ANOTHER RECEIVER BUT IT'S GOOD START OF NEW TECHNOLOGY. |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 32 Registered: Dec-07 | You keep right on thinking that lol IKS is not new technology it's been around awhile now and it's well tested. |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2884 Registered: Sep-06 | Will the nfusion just plug into the router that I have here from the DSL? Its the newer 2-wire with wireless but I will be wired with the nufsion. Or will I need another router? |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 81 Registered: Jul-06 | Dean Winchester, I based my statement that the nFusion was very similar to the Neosat 1000 from info I read at more than one website. One such claim can be found at this link: made the one of the super mods there. If you feel that this info is untrue, please post as to why. Also, based on your knowledge, what advantage do you think the nFusion has over the Neosat 2000? Not trying to argue with you; just looking for as much info as I can get in order to make the right choice. |
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Bronze Member Username: Sparky41701Chavies, Ky Usa Post Number: 80 Registered: Jun-06 | the FTA tester i know you have researched both and if you were to buy one which one would you buy im going to order one tonight im leaning toward the dreambox but would like to see what you would get thanks in advance |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 8 Registered: Dec-07 | So does NFusion provide the IP's needed for the IKS, or is that provided elsewhere? Is it constantly changing or relatively static? |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2894 Registered: Sep-06 | I bought the Nfusion today! Read above post's  |
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New member Username: JaltxPost Number: 9 Registered: Dec-07 | What type hard drive support does the NFusion have? Any USB, Compact Flash, or smart card slots? Or does everything need to be hosted external via network connection? If it's all external how are the mounts managed? |
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Gold Member Username: Ke5aqnIF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER, I WILL FIND... Post Number: 2931 Registered: Sep-06 | it uses your hd on your computer via the wired network |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 54 Registered: Dec-07 | Dean if you come back to the thread i have done a lot of reading on setting up a proxy on the connection subject. and did buy that router you suggested it's on the way I downloaded the manual from netgear and printed it I thought it was never going to stop printing 175 pages wow!!! I am sick of my linksys any ways. but i am still a little confused i am sure i have all the info but it's in the form of a puzzle if you know what i mean. is there a specific term used for doing that. you know how computers are you have be specific! and word it right please what's the word? or phrase!  |
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Bronze Member Username: MerkPost Number: 55 Registered: Dec-07 | PS. a link or 2 would be nice |
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Bronze Member Username: NcxPost Number: 33 Registered: Dec-07 | mr bobo shan, I read the thread you linked to and I read the neosat claim. It may well be true that one of the neosat team had a falling out with the others and broke off to start his own venture. From what I read of it, that person took what belonged to them when they left so I wouldn't see how that would shed any bad light on nfusion. It wouldn't make Nfusion a clone because a clone by definition would have to use Neosat files which Nfusion doesn't. On top of that, Nfusions IKS is working flawlessly versus Neosats which is barely functional. From what I read Neosat has about 20 fully functional channels with IKS. The rest are freezing and dropping intermitently, as well IKS is not always up on the box. I had no idea that was going with Neosat because I never paid any attention to them. I am glad I know it now, and I'm also glad I didn't grab an Neosat when they first came out, I went Captiveworks. If in fact it did happen I believe I can see why. Neosats issue an identification key everytime you connect to one of thier servers. That key identifies the stb, it's serial number and even the IP it's connecting from. Matchstick and the Nfusion camp have made it clear that one of thier top concerns is protecting the owner of an Nfusion from being traced. Nfusion uses no such key system to identify it's boxes and has stated time and time again that they don't log IP's. It does seem that Neosat is anxious to get thier hands on Nfusions IKS though. I'm also a little suspicious as to whats going on with Neosat creating the Pro and "temporarily" discontinuing the Ipro. Thier even talking about an HD box, which makes no sense since they aren't even properly supporting the boxes they have right now. My guess would be thier hedging thier bets on a properly functioning emu being available soon. In short hoping they won't need IKS much longer. Of course thats just a guess. Either way, thanks for bringing the Neosat into the light. I had no idea what was going on with the box other than posts saying it's working with IKS. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoboshanSomewhere, Out There Post Number: 82 Registered: Jul-06 | Thanks for the info Dean; another great post! So it seems that nFusion's IKS is currently the one to beat. As for Neosat, it's always difficult to get the full story from a 'fan' of a particular competing company, but the info you have provided, and from what I've recently read from others, seems to make a little more sense than what I first got from the mod at abadss. I'm going to see how long the current fix lasts on my pansat before I decide to order one. |
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