Fry's had them for $499 and was lucky enough not only to get the last one but they are black, my preference. I originally was getting the Onkyo 770 system but wanted to upgrade the speakers. Needless to say this is an upgrade. Polk advises not to hook the sub and receiver thru the "sub out" ot "LFE" jack. The sub has a built in low pass filter already. Interesting.