N3
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Bronze Member Username: Ramiro_gonzoPost Number: 82 Registered: Aug-07 | N3 TO HAPPEN ON 3-16-2009..THIS FROM A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.....TAKE IT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH. |
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Bronze Member Username: Babe_ruthlessPost Number: 21 Registered: Dec-08 | Well if that's the case then so be it.If a problem arises then usually the solution becomes more of a reality. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 14578 Registered: Jun-06 | For those watching Indian and Arabic channels on DN, it has allready happened |
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Bronze Member Username: Vova_putinPost Number: 69 Registered: Aug-06 | The sources I have indicate it is going to be longer. Maybe as much as 6 months before everything is black. Things will go out bit by bit. When it does come, don't be surprised if you need to buy new equipment, but let's hope not. Dish is still sending out cards, and no one is quie sure how long until everyone receives them. Got that from Dish directly. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4105 Registered: Oct-06 | Not even DN can answer that But I can American Channels April 15th +/- 14 days Mark yor calenders Yo can say King said so |
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Bronze Member Username: TravnikVancouver, British colu... Canada Post Number: 38 Registered: Dec-06 | April 15th...What year??????? |
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Gold Member Username: Oleg1474Florida Usa Post Number: 1215 Registered: Aug-06 | My view on any cards released this early is that they have been issued by Nagravision to regainen finances lost due to Nagra2 been openly hacked all across Europe for the past number of years, Nagravision know that people like us will buy these cards when we end up with blank screens, they also know we will buy off the black market, its a good strategy.Source: Digital Kaos Rumors *** and Nagra3 Hacked The price of the cenauturas card is nearly the price of a subscription of some providers in Europe. Once the card is hacked and the coded scripted onto a softcam with the use of Keys like you said then we can enjoy happy day for at least 2-3 years. To my knowledge Nagra3 is just a fast processing encryption (4x) than Nagra2 with a new algorithm or ROM as its called, the Next generation Nagra 4 (lets call it ) will be very hard to hack with a supported BGA chip on the receiver linked to the subscribers card for each subscriber (Much like Sky Digital). We will in my mind enjoy Nagra 3 Providers for 2-3 years but then I feel we will face our biggest hurdel in this hobby Nagra 4. Thank you for Oleg Ph.D |
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Gold Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 7986 Registered: Jan-08 | Oleg Ph.D your the man!  |
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Silver Member Username: RiconissanPost Number: 305 Registered: Feb-09 | Thanks to Oleg Ph.D |
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Silver Member Username: RiconissanPost Number: 306 Registered: Feb-09 | Now watch the losers jump all over me. |
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Gold Member Username: Oleg1474Florida Usa Post Number: 1216 Registered: Aug-06 | N3 cracked??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Rumor's? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C/P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BGA (euro/ecm666)Nagra3 pass test 100% new Nagra4 comming soon Card Swap & Nagra 3 Explained Here's a pretty complete quick info sheet regarding the Nagra 3 switch. So many people have been asking variations of the following questions: 1) What is N3? 2) Why do channels on BEV keep going down? Where are the PPV? 3) When is there going to be a fix? 4) Do I need to re-point my dish? Where? 5) When will Dick go down? 6) Should I buy a receiver or wait? So here is the most concise answer I have given thus far: What is N3? When will there be a fix? You're not supposed to steal TV. The providers, such as Bev and Dick, have over 500 channels of protected content that they are required to encrypt in order to continue to carry those channels. Since they are programming providers and not encryption specialists, they outsource that job to a company called Kudelski. Kudelski uses an encryption system called Nagravision. Each subscriber is sent a card that allows them to only see the channels they are subscribed to. But these cards get hacked and those hacks allow you to use your FTA receiver to get free Dick and Bev. Obviously, if Kudelski allowed this to happen without any upgrading of their system, they would go out of business. That's why they send new cards to each customer each time they get hacked. So far they have done this once. They shut down Nagravision 1 and introduced Nagravision 2. Since you are watching Bev and Dick without a subscription, you know that Nagravision 2 is fully hacked, otherwise you would be looking at a black screen with EPG info. So, ladies and gentlemen, here comes Nagravision 3. That's right, Kudelski really doesn't want you stealing from their customers (Dick and Bev), so they are sending each subscriber a handsome new purple card to replace the hacked yellow one. Once each subscriber changes out their card, they will shut down the Nagra2 stream that lets you watch your free TV and the only stream that will be active will be the new Nagra3 stream that at this point, has not been cracked. As each of the millions of subscribers cuts up their old cards and activates their new ones, Dick and Bev will gradually begin switching channels over. That's why you get some channels in beautiful clarity but eternal black screens on others. Nagra3 will be cracked because if man can make it, then man can break it. But for the time being, the forum will be flooded with all sorts of disparate and desperate posts questioning why certain channels are gone. There will be torrents of trolls proclaiming that this is the end of the line for FTA and that IKS and other highly risky testing methods will be the way to go from here on out. We the staff of ******** will do our best to keep the thugs away, but the best way to control the repetitive threads is to sweep and merge them into this one. So please try to refrain from belittling others for what seem to be repetitive questions. Most likely the "repetitive" question was asked in a completely separate thread that now has been shoved into this one. Likewise, if you posted what you believe is the only question about Nagra3 and now find it to be gone, understand that we do not delete such threads. If you do a search for all of your posts, you will probably find that it has been moved here with all of the other harried posters who thought they too were asking the only Nagra3 question. There has been progress made with N3 on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. But do not expect a fix for BEV until both providers have completely switched over. In fact, the first N3 fix will likely be Dick Net only. Last time around, BEV was in the dark for almost 3 months after Dish was brought back up. The priority of the coders is always Dick Net. BEV is secondary and G-C is tertiary. Sorry BEV fans, but that's just the way it has always been. You will need to repoint your dish to 110 and 119 in order to receive programming comparable to BEV for the time being. Dish Net is expected to begin switching over soon, however. Use our site's Dish Pointer to figure out where to point. If "man can make it, man can break it", then why has it been 4 years since Dave/HU was shut down and still no crack? The naysayers, doomsayers, and forum trolls like to say things like "Well, they said P4 was going to be fixed but four years later DTV is still not cracked." Here's my response to that: I do not intend for there to be a discussion of the points that I am making. This is not a DTV site and we do not talk about cards, loaders, unloopers, bootloaders, or anything of that nature. DTV hacking was expensive. In addition to receivers, it required a substantial investment in the aforementioned equipment. It was also extremely dealer-driven: In order to get a fix that had any lasting power, you needed to have your card programmed by a dealer who provided private files that you paid a fair amount of money for. The nature of the DTV testing community made it very easy for the provider to go after end-users for lots of money and to nail the dealers to the cross. It was a very risky business. Then along comes the FTA craze. Here you have a legal product that is rather inexpensive and that uses a fairly generic video delivery system (DVB) that is used worldwide, unlike the proprietary and patented system that DTV uses (DSS). Since you can't bust someone for buying an FTA receiver, the end-user tactic used by Dave would be next to impossible. The coders are dispersed around the world in places that really don't care about copyright laws (such as China and Korea), as opposed to hackers who were largely US-based (such as with DTV). Dealers who sell FTA receivers are far less likely to end up in jail than dealers who sell unloopers and bootloaders. The final answer to the "they said there would be a P4 hack and it never happened" charge is that FTA-based hacking is 1) less risky and 2) more profitable. The industry always takes the path of least resistance. There is no public P4 hack simply because it's more risky and less profitable. Strictly speaking, the P4 fix that "never came" was the FTA revolution. There is to be no more discussion on this matter. Happy Testing. Thank you : Oleg Ph.D |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 14584 Registered: Jun-06 | Oleg Ph.D. does get sparks of profound rationality. |
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Silver Member Username: RiconissanPost Number: 308 Registered: Feb-09 | Good reading |
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Gold Member Username: Oleg1474Florida Usa Post Number: 1218 Registered: Aug-06 | Nalin Nyda !!! Thanks... |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4106 Registered: Oct-06 | I agree with Doctor Oleg except what I call the current Nagra-3 is actually an improved version of Nagra-2 The full version of Nagra-3 has not been released as of yet What yo call Nagra-4 is what I call the actual Nagra-3 final cut This is how yo can tell If they use the recent purple card then how can yo call that Nagra-4? I don't think they will swap this purple card for Nagra-4 They can modify the final vesion of nagra-3 electronically Unless if i over looked something here I say this current Nagra-3 is an Intermediate version of N-3 while final cut of N-3 still in the works awaiting to make its first debut Also I do disagree about N-3 been cracked In Europe they use card share The word cracked means wide open No indications of N-3 been cracked yet I also do think NDS will be available for PTA sometime this year or DC-II One or the other N-3 or what yo call N-4 will not be cracked Not anytime soon I'll be here to see what's next |
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Silver Member Username: JaysonPost Number: 276 Registered: Aug-06 | Oleg is copying and pasting........ King Tapeman has been guessing since two years ago...I hope you guess it right this time... Sorry...Just my 2 cents...no offense |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 358 Registered: Dec-07 | The correct guess is that everything is going to get black and only a sub will solve it. Call it what you want. N1 to N19. Improved, convoluted, sophisticated, enhanced, reworked. Still your TV is going to turn black! Repent and buy a sub  |
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Bronze Member Username: BoquackPost Number: 79 Registered: Mar-08 | And here we go again.....you know what. Here's my philosophy: Change what you can, accept what you can't, distinguish between the two. To Recap: You cannot dissolve chips and acid and reveal secrets........that is an urban myth. You cannot break something that is unbreakable. You should not insult others when you have no proof of concept yourself. I have been reasonable King, you have not. I am simply acting the same way you would under the same circumstance. What if I was the one who made statements about DSS, DCII, etc and presented them as facts and not opinions. You would immediately jump on me and ask me for proof or STFU, right? You started most of these discussions but offered no backup to the claims. All you can say is "Jimmy squeal like a pig at 3:32AM" Ignorance is costly, so is knowledge. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoquackPost Number: 80 Registered: Mar-08 | You said you could make free calls via FTA.......NO PROOF. You said we would lose Charlie, like a year ago....NO PROOF You said there were double frequencies that would scan in on a PTA receiver.....NO PROOF Look, lets just have an honest discussion about all this stuff, check egos at the door. All can learn as you say...... |
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Silver Member Username: UbbaPost Number: 183 Registered: Sep-06 | Oleg, thank you as you are the only one who has explained things clearly and who has been on the nose for the last 2 years. At least I now know that there will be a fix and it will be coming within the next couple of months. Let's face it, this is a business for both sides. Thanks again. |
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Gold Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 3104 Registered: May-06 | ok king. I thought it was feb 14 +- 20 days!!?? Are you seriously going to keep changing the dates and say "yo can say king said so"?? If we tell people that we will get laughed outta here. BUT, sooner or later you have to be right. You have called for the end for a couple years now, every so often... even a blind squirrell will find a nut sometimes.... |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4114 Registered: Oct-06 | Dantits Yo remember what i said about BEV I'm one for one Yo don't read eveything I say I know what I said I said Feb 14 +/- 20 days for International channels Transition started Feb 22nd I was right on the money That's two for two And now I saying American channels April 15th +/- 14 days I say once again I will be right on the money I say I will be 3 for 3 Read these 2 references: B#V was all gone in Nov. Read this: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/517846.html And read this https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/511044.html |
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Bronze Member Username: BoquackPost Number: 94 Registered: Mar-08 | And, who cares? Like Deep Throat said many years ago."Follow the money" |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4116 Registered: Oct-06 | The question was directed to me Keep out Retard Sukka |
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Bronze Member Username: BoquackPost Number: 96 Registered: Mar-08 | The only retard here is you as you can't prove anything. You're not even civil. You insult me and I didn't even insult you.....why the bad blood. I don't have anything against you. Why the insults? Like I said, to be polite requires energy.....to be a sukka.......doesn't require any. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4118 Registered: Oct-06 | "You insult me and I didn't even insult you" - When yo make replies like yor post#94 - When yo jump in a dialog that was not directed to yo - When yo make comments like post #84 - When yo write poor Inglic like yo do What? Are fu*cking Retard? I say I'll kick yor azz in public Sukka Learn how to respect others so others can respect yo But it's too late for yo Sukka I love to cream Retards Azzes That's my new hobby  |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 2384 Registered: Dec-07 | KT, He sure reminds me of Jimmy. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4119 Registered: Oct-06 | Jimmy writes perfect Inglic Very easy to detect I thought it was Doreen But it's that same 14 year old retard He's got the worst grammer will never get passed my radar |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 2385 Registered: Dec-07 | Good point King. You should pick a name for him so i can get some pics ready |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4120 Registered: Oct-06 | Why would I pick a name? His real name Ali Ahmid I call him Aribian boi But I have to admit Jimmy is the most fun ever He's got great sense of humor I only know him for 3 years |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4121 Registered: Oct-06 | Get ready greg This is Howie do it |
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Silver Member Username: RiconissanOhio Post Number: 372 Registered: Feb-09 | Honey! Make some popcorn and come watch this! |
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Silver Member Username: BoquackPost Number: 102 Registered: Mar-08 | You are WAY OFF.........unless u have a crystal ball.........I am not even that guy........I could be a mole, infiltrator, rat, gang member, or something else.....one should not delve where one could get hurt |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4131 Registered: Oct-06 | Listen Retard I don't care if yor 33rd or 34th Greg and I only play with Jimmy This rivary goes back to 3 years ago We got very tight schedule I don't think I can squeeze an extra Retard to our very busy schedule Jimmy I know yor listening We love ya Ecoustics is boring without yo bro Please come back and play some more |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 2408 Registered: Dec-07 |  |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4132 Registered: Oct-06 | |
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Silver Member Username: UbbaPost Number: 187 Registered: Sep-06 | After much speculations, can someone let me know about the following 2 questions that I have. Are there any receivers in North America that are working with N3? If not, any idea when the decoding of N3 might happen? I would appreciate any help on this. Thanks. |
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Gold Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 8121 Registered: Jan-08 | Lisa The true answer is: nobody know it for now.  |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York Citay in-HD, NY Post Number: 4135 Registered: Oct-06 | If there is an answer it will be posted all over this site But for now there is none And that's for sure Don't believe what sales people say Trust this site's experts We got nothing to sell yo here So simple answer Is no No fix for N3 at this time |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 2410 Registered: Dec-07 | Just jimmy selling icecream  |
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