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Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:04 pm: |
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Has anyone seen the picture on this unit? I am considering buying this unit but I am not sure how good this is. I am also considering the Samsung HLN617W.
I e-mail'ed Philips and found out that it does not have 3:2 Film Correction. Will Pixel Plus accomplish the same thing on the film correction aspect?
I have DirecTV with a HDTV receiver (no DVD-I interface) and a Pioneer Elite DVD player with the DVD-I interface (at least I think that what the i-Link does). Will this set-up affect my choice of units? |
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Anonymous |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 06:29 pm: |
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The Tweeter guy called and said they had a Cineos on display and I trucked on over. What a disappointment! Everything had a purple cast, and the salesman admitted they had tried and failed to adjust it. Next to the new Samsung DLP it looked very bad. He said they felt it might have been a defective unit--when they set it up there were purple streaks that they managed to eliminate. He's calling Philips to get a technician over. So I assume it's a defective unit--but if that's the case, then the quality control is probably pretty bad. I'd wait.
On the other side, the new Samsung with the narrow bezel looks great. |
Casey |
| Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:36 pm: |
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Thanks for the feedback. The nearest store to me that carries the Philips is about 90 minutes drive. Maybe next week-end I will drive there to look at one since I will be halfway there on another trip.
The comments I've seen are all over the place. It appears that there is some quality problems with the initial batch of Philips.
Does Pixel Plus and 3:2 Pulldown effectively do the same function? |
MI |
| Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:49 pm: |
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Well it doesn't mention 3:2 pull down in the manual. But what I'm reading about the 3:2 pull down is that most raise the scanlines and try to eliminate unwanted or unclear frames. If that is the case then, the philips does that. Check out the quote from the manual below. It seems to me that they do the same thing. As far as build quality, mine has an assembly date of july 2003 and so far its been excellent. I will really beat on it the next two days playing video games, so I'll report back if it has any issues.
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"The Digital Processing control gives you a
choice of different picture scanning modes.
Progressive Scan - doubles the number of pic-ture
lines, eliminating line flicker and provid-ing
a jitter-free picture.
Movie Plus - provides motion compensation to
increase clarity around moving images in the
picture.
PixelPlus - improves the picture quality and
appearance of on-screen images. The number
of picture lines is increased along with the
number of pixels per line, giving normal
broadcast signals, DVD reproduction or
Digital TV signals, unparalleled sharpness
and depth. This gives the viewer near high-definition and natural-looking detail without
the high-definition signal." |
CA |
| Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:10 am: |
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How is the contrast on the Cineos?
I am considering Panasonic TH37PWD6UY
and stumbled upon this Cineos while searching
Philips for a DVD player.
The specs say only >400:1 (four hundred) and the Panasonic specs out at
4000:1 so which is going to be better in bright light situations? or super dark movies (getting more blacks?).
Not sure which way to go now. I also have a small room so the 37" plasma would 'fit' better in the room. Philips should make a smaller size if they can.
peace. |
Undecided |
| Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:23 pm: |
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Check out the post on this board comparing the Phillips ot the Samsung DLP. It has some more info about it and a comparison I wrote as well. |
heartdoc |
| Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:40 pm: |
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Just spent 30 minutes watching StarWars2 on the philips side by side with the samsung 46 inch unit and the 55 inch pioneer elite unit here in Atlanta. The philips using s-video input in the movie mode blew the others(in 480P) away in terms of sharpness, naturalness of the colors(much better at producing true greys, not bluish tones), and perception of depth/3-dimensionality. The samsung and other projector sets are much softer. Colors on the Philips are more real in terms of reproducing the grey skies or natural color of rain. The movie mode is amazing on the scene inside the clone factory. The negative is the backround black is not as deep as on the samsung but I think the colors overall are much better on the Philips. This is the unit I purchased. |
Fab 5 |
| Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:45 pm: |
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Hello all. I went to The Good Guys to check out the Philips set. Well, I liked the overall appearance. It included the matching stand. Picture wise, well, let's just say I saw purple, purple, oh and yeah, purple. The salesperson which I talked with has been around for over 5 years and I've purchased items from him in the past. Well, he told me he was kinda disappointed with the set. We tried to adjust the picture to no avail. Purple was the word. Maybe it was just this particular set.... |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:09 pm: |
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See my earlier message about the Cineos at tweeter. Also purple purple purple. And that's two sets and very few others have been seen. One person evidently saw a great set. But two out of three is disturbing. I'd say WAIT. That's what I'm gonna do |
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Fab 5 |
| Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:13 am: |
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I take back what I stated earlier. (Two posts above this one)
I went to a different Good Guys in a different city. They had the 55" Philips set. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! The picture was fantastic. The color was perfect. NO PURPLE. I was just stunned by the quality of the set. A salesperson snook up behind me and said, "Isn't it great? This just blows away the Sony sitting right next to it doesn't it?"
I told him that I was in a different GG store and was very disappointed in the picture quality for the set I saw. He then said that a Philips service person needed to tweek something on the control panel, and then it shouldn't be a problem for that set in the other store. People are purchasing this set up like hotcakes. The GG warehouse had a total of 72 units, all of which are totally sold with plenty of waiting lists to come. This store I was in actually had 5 on hand and they were sold in 1 day after they went on sale. The waiting list is around a week and a half as GG will be receiving more of this set. The 44 inch will be in within a week also. This is really worth checking out if you haven't yet, or if you went to see the set before, and found a purple looking set. It's just jaw dropping. I want one today! |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 02:15 pm: |
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The purple tint on some of these has been identified as a color engine problem in some of the first wave of these sets. Philips has supposedly identified this problem and is currently repairing sets and future production units should include this fix. |
George G. |
| Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:55 pm: |
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I went back to the Tweeter in Danbury Ct yesterday and the Cineos was gone! The sales person said Philips had recalled the sets for a software fix. It should be interesting to see how the picture looks after the fix. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:34 pm: |
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I put a deposit on the Samsung 55PL9773. The picture looked fantastic! I didn't see any of the problems experienced by others. I think I noticed a slight purple hue. The sales person at good guys says they are selling like hot cakes. I am curious how it will look with a DVI dvd player. Any recommendations? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:11 pm: |
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I live in Baltimore, Maryland. I put a deposit on the 55" philips lcos a month ago expecting the set within a week. I am told week after week that philips is delaying the release of the lcos series. Are they fixing the purple problem ? Does anyone have one without the problem, and if so where can I get one ? |
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| Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 09:07 am: |
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I purchased the 55 inch its great but for a small area with the purple haze. Do any of you know a qualified technician that can service this. The store i brought it from is not being very helpful now that they have my money. Any help would be appreciated |
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| Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:08 am: |
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I went to tweeter to pre-order phiips cineos model 55pl9773 but they ony carries 55pl977s. Words from Tweeter has it that hilips has change it's model number. Is this true because I got to have my Pixel Plus! |
John G |
| Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:54 pm: |
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The 55PL9773 and the 55PL977S are the same set and both have pixel plus. The 55PL977S apparently comes with the swivel base included. I'm not sure you can get it any other way, at least not yet. The 55PL9523/55PL952S doesn't have pixel plus or, perhaps equally importantly, doesn't have the anti-reflection screen. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 11:42 am: |
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Does anyone know where to get one in Ohio???? |
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| Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 04:41 pm: |
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I purchased a floor model 55pl9773 on Sept. 30 from Tweeter and and it looks great feeding a composite 1080I or composite progressive DVD signal. The only thing I have seen unusual is the red,green and blue images on the left edge of a white vertical object when the object is moving from right to left across the screen. It appears as though it is the image of the RGB prism's as they scan the chip.
The 480I signal feed into the "S" video or composite input looks lousy. Very low resolution and pasty. Looks like the up conversion has some serious issues. I am trying to contact Philips about this now and will keep you posted.
I think the technology blows everything else away that is within reason price wise. |
David W. |
| Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 09:17 am: |
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My statement in my previous post should have said "looks great feeding a component 1080I or component progressive DVD signal."
Reference the rainbow, I noticed a rainbow effect last night. It usually appears as you are glancing away from the screen.
The RGB that appears on the edge of moving white vertical objects is yet another issue.I am sure that this has to do with the way they scan the chip.
I also did some more testing on the lack of resolution with a 480I signal. With an antenna input the picture has some digital processing artifacts resulting in an overall picture quality that is somewhat less pleasing that a good analog set. Using the "S" video output from the Dish Network receiver,the problem is multiplied. I believe that this is caused by the fact that Dish has already compressed the signal to the point that it any additional processing literally destroys the picture.
I have come to the conclusion that if you want to watch standard broadcast (NTSC) you are better off with a NTSC receiver.
After studying the various technologies available and witnessing the warts of all of them we may be a few years away from a truly good device to display HD at a reasonable price. I must retract my previous statement about the Philips Lcos technology blowing away anything else. It is good but it to has many problems that must be resolved. Other technologies have their own inherent problems so I guess for now I just have to accept that the state of the art has not developed to an acceptable level. |
John G |
| Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 03:06 pm: |
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It appears that the 55PL977S is currently only available thru Tweeter, The Good Guys (west coast), and possibly P.C. Richards (New York City area). The closest to Ohio would be Tweeter. There are stores in Pennsylvania. Check the Tweeter web site store locater. I had to drive to Nashville (from Knoxville) to order my set. |
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| Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 02:38 pm: |
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I'm a German home theatre dealer and have seriously considered purchasing the Philips LCOS rear-pro TV as an alternative to some of the video projectors I'm carrying (seen the Philips in action during the international Berlin consumer fair).
I'm not so sure, now. Here in Europe the sole model is the top-of-the-line 55 (") PL 9873.
Interestingly, the great "Digital Natural Motion" movement enhancement (okay, according to Philips it works better with European PAL TV/video programs)seems to be absent or down-watered PR wise with the US model.
Anyway - if there are no purple artifacts I guess it is safe to say that the Cineos is the best TV in a box you can currently get.
Unless you build your own box with an NEC WT 600 or go straight for videoprojection. |
John G |
| Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 01:36 pm: |
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Digital Natural Motion is included in all US Philips Cineos RPTVs but Pixel Plus gets all the attention. Digital Natural Motion, in the literature I have seen, is basically considered a part of Pixel Plus on the two models (55PL977S/44PL977S) that have it. The other two models (55PL952S/44PL952S) have Digital Natural Motion without Pixel Plus. While the reviews I have read have reservations about the new Cineos RPTVs, the reviewers all seem to like Pixel Plus and Digital Natural Motion. I hope to report my own opinions, if the 55PL977S I have on order ever arrives! |
Jeff S |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 08:40 pm: |
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I too am interested in buying the 55PL977S. Does anyone know if Goodguys will be selling it via their website? I live in Florida...nowhere near a Tweeter's or a Goodguys... |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 11:33 am: |
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I just spent an hour looking at a Phillips 55PL9773 at Good Guys. I did not see any of the faults mentioned in the messages on this sight or in the reviews in magazines. Could be a later model that has had the flaws fixed. Picture was excellent. The Sony 50XBR800 next to it looked washed out and lacked the detail. Water looked so real I thought I was going to get wet if I got too close. The price is graet compared to plasma ( which is the only thing that compares) I did not like the remote (no learning or backlight) and it does not have DTV link (firewire) or memory card slots. These issues may cause me to wait and see if they add these to future units. I also want to see the new Toshiba 57HL83 to see if they worked the bugs out. It does have the missing features but I need to see the picture quality. For old school technology, Mitsubishi's new 9 inch lens 65" screen will be out soon. Could be an attractive alternative if you have the space. |
heartdoc |
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:22 pm: |
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I have had the Philips set(HiFi buys-GA) and so far love it gorgeous picture. I use a comcast HD set top box with Beldin component cables from Bluejeanscables. The set has incredible three dimensionality which can be a bit dizzying!(eg. opening scene on HBO Carnival HD TV show). SDTV still looks very good. My main quible with the set is that it will not fully expand HD 4:3 signals with bars, and there is a slight bowtie effect noted with 4:3 images. I think the rainbow issue is overblown for most, as most people have to try and look for them. I think DLP has a real problem with greys which pulsate/flicker and purplish looking whites. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 10:39 pm: |
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Well, it's been a month and I haven't recieved my Cineos yet, I'm gooing to give up now and thinking: if there's a problem now, there will be a problem later. So I'm going towards the sony KF50WE610. Unless anyone knows of any better LCD or DLP out there. I am broken hearted because I'm stuck with a black and white TV, |
heartdoc |
| Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:31 pm: |
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Tweeter now says that Philips has decided to replace all of the original Cineos 55" sets including mine. I am on my second set already. The first one did not turn on out of standby, and the second one has been very good with only a few of the minor bugs-bowtie effect on screen, but colors are 99% great. DVD and Cable HD signals are great, regular cable is very watchable. So far, I am very please how this set looks. Went to CC last PM, and so the new sony's and seen the Sammy 50 and 56 inch sets which I dont like as much. The Sammy is too green with color saturation, but i didnt do any adjusting. |
May Day |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 02:02 am: |
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I want to buy the hdtv set-top box but I really wants to know, if it would improve the picture quality of my dvd's on a standard dvd player or any source. Is it really worth what was said? Thank you. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 05:17 pm: |
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Hello, I'm also waiting on delivery of my 55' LCOS. Just got off the phone with the Philips plasma support people and they told me that the improved units are scheduled to begin shipping again late October - early November. Has anybody else heard the same or different within the past few days? This seems soon to me. I hope it's correct - I'm getting anxious waiting for my TV! |
Bruce Lee of TVs |
| Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 12:44 am: |
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I hope they have fixed the LCoS. I have had a Sammy HLN617W DLP for 60+ days. The DLP is now back in the box in my house. I brought it back to Tweeter-Sound Advice here in Miami-within the 60 day period but the sales manager said he would rather do a swap-out to keep from screwing up store inventory. He is nice enough to honor the return policy even though I am past the 60 day trial. This is why I only buy from Tweeter.
At first I agreed to take another DLP to see if my first one was faulty, but then I realized it was not my TV it was the technology. DLP is just not as great as the manufactures claims.
The reason why some of you did not notice the rainbow in the DLP is you don't notice it simply put. The rainbows are always present but only a certain percentage of people catch them. Not all people process light throught the cortex at the same frequency. Also not all people have the same attention to detail. Some of us are just plain video perfectionists.
The way in wich our eyes process light would more closely resemble film not digital. That is why the lamps of CRT are just more pleasing to the eyes
Anyways, when you are comparing DLP to LCoS forget about the raibows the DLP makes for a moment and just look at solid color backgrounds like walls and skies...flicker flicker flicker.
The DLPs do a good Job at showing facial features when displayed full screen, but when they apear small on the screen such as in a dinner seen when the camera has been panned back, anyone will have a hard time making out facial features.
The flesh around peoples eyes will dance continuously.
DLP cannot show white text properly.
Reading credits in white text is almost always very difficult. Bottom line, DLP disappoints on levels never thought possible from $4,000+ Sets. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 01:12 pm: |
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Hello, theis discussion string has been very helpful for me and I have been reading it for several weeks now!
I had ordered a Philips LCOS but gave up waiting for it. So now I am looking at the 50 inch DLP. Could anybody tell me what the difference is between the HLN507W and the HLN5065W Samsung DLPs? Which one is better? thanks! |
Boston |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 01:18 pm: |
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I have been following this thread lately and am one of the ones who has so far held out for the Cineo. I have had three chat sessions with Philips' customer service. Three email requests for information from them have to my knowledge not been ressponded to. Their telephone customer service department can not provide any satisfactory answers. Here is the latest chat (with personal info redacted) which occurred last night (Oct. 28). At the moment, I am still holding out in the hope of soon seeing a fixed LCOS. The chat follows::
najarretd says, "Thank you for contacting Philips USA Webchat. My name is Devroy. How may I assist you today?"
You say, "Can you please provide me with the latest update on the 55" Cineos (fixing of the "purple haze" problem and anticipated shipment dates to those who have paid for and not yet received their tv's). I bought this tv in August and have now had my delivery extended 4 times. Tweeter now has no idea when the tv's will arrive."
najarretd says, "I am sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you."
najarretd says, "I will be more than happy to assist you with this issue and I would like some information to create a case file . Please may I have your name, zip code, city and telephone number ?"
You say, "********"
najarretd says, "Thank you *****."
najarretd says, "***** , the tvs should be available by the end of November."
You say, "Does "available" mean in the retail stores so that I can obtain it by then or does it mean shipments by Philips to the retail stores will begin by the end of November. As you can imagine, I only care about when I can expect to receive it,"
najarretd says, "Yes , available in stores."
You say, "When I had a prior chat with Philips I was told that I would absolutely receive the tv by October 31 and that if I did not, I should refer to case no. ********* and that my case "would be transferred to the relevant department for review." I'm not sure what was meant by that, but I believe Philips should consider some sort of credit for those who have patiently waited so long for the tv. I know numerous people who have given up and purchased other brands. Is Philips considering some sort of credit?"
najarretd says, "I am sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you and I am not sure of that."
You say, "Do you have any idea what was meant by the comment that my case would be transferred to another department for review? What other department is there? Your telephone customer service is frankly worthless and could only refer me to the sales and marketing department, which could also provide no help. The problem is that I have now received direct promises from Philips and keep being asked to be patient. What happens when November comes and goes and the tv's still haven't arrived?"
najarretd says, "***** , I am not sure what the other person meant as there is no need to transfer to another department."
You say, "I have no idea either other than it was just some way to appease me so that I would not give up on the tv. Have all of the problems with the initial Cineo tv's now been fixed? What exactly was causing the problems and how was it fixed?"
najarretd says, "*****, we do not have any information on the problems of the tv or what caused them."
You say, "Is there some department that has that info?"
najarretd says, "I am sorry but no."
You say, "Then how did Philips fix the problem"
najarretd says, "*****, we do not have that information."
You say, "By "we" do you mean the customer service department? Certainly there is some technical department that identified and fixed the problem"
najarretd says, "Yes , and we do not have information what the problem was or how it was fixed."
You say, "Has Tweeter been told of the new delivery dates"
najarretd says, "I am not sure of that."
You say, "Is there any priority in how the new ones will be distributed. In other words, are all the people who received defective sets having theirs replaced first before people in my position get the ones that have been on order"
najarretd says, "***** , I am sorry but we are not familiar with the distribution process."
You say, "Is there some department I can contact that is"
najarretd says, "No *****."
You say, "What department informed you that the tv's will be in stores by the end of November"
najarretd says, "It was a memo not from a specific department."
You say, "So -- who takes responsibility when it is December and I still do not have the tv"
najarretd says, "I am not sure of that." |
Jas |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 01:55 pm: |
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Dan - I talked to a Samsung Rep and asked him the same question. He said other than the bezel color, 5065 has a Samsung DCDi chip wheras the 507W has the Faroudja DCDi module. HLN5065 is sold at major retailers like Best Buy, Sears, etc. whereas HLN507W is stored at Circuit city, Tweeter and high end stores. HLN467W and HLN567W are only sold at high end stores and not at Circuit city. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 05:11 pm: |
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I had a chat with the same Philips rep. He doesn't know there models or their features, let alone technical stuff.
They should train him or can him |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:53 am: |
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Just to let everyone know, I called GoodGuys in San Diego,California, and a Tweeter in Phoenix, Az and was told by both stores that the tv's wouldn't be available until late January or February. In the mean time I have had a Sony Wega 42" LCD and a Sam 43" DLP. They both did a great job on DVD play back especially through component inputs although I must say the Sammy had a much better picture. The draw backs on both is when your're watching a regular Satellite feed (ie:DirecTV) especially a sporting event. Large images appear ok, but when looking at smaller images like when watching football or basketball, the picture is quite pixelated and distorted. I'm disappointed in both, and was hoping that Cineos with pixel plus would be a viable solution, because who knows when all signals will be broadcast in HD, probably not for another 2-3 years. In the meantime I think I'm going to get a Sony 34" WS CRT to tide me over until Flat Panel LCD increase in size and drop in price. Nothing compares to the quality of Flat Panel LCD. Just compare the picture of a Sharp 37" Aquos or Sony 30" LCD to any projection DLP or LCD and the difference is astounding. All the major Flat Panel Manufactures are building State of the Art LCD only manufacturing plants which will allow them to mass produce the panels in any size thus lowering cost. They say by the middle of 2005 we should see the results. |
Bruce Lee of TVs |
| Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 03:23 pm: |
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The new Toshiba LCoS seems to be all the rage.
It too has been pushed back indefinitly due to a shortage of chips. This may be why the Philips is delayed also.
The Toshiba 57HLX82 or 83 uses three 1080P LCoS chips. Yes 1080P! Three chips, one for each primary color, means no need for a color wheel - thus no rainbows.( both the Phlips LCoS and Sammy DLP need a color wheel giving off those rainbows ). 1080P is more than twice the pixels of the Philips or Sammy's 720P chips. Since the chips are LCoS and not LCD - like the Sony sets - the image is brighter with a much less visible pixel grid than LCD. The contrast is more than 1000:1, wich is more than double that of Philips. The screen is made of dark tinted tempered glass with a .1mm dot pitch- the first ever available for consumer products. .1mm Dot pitch is five times finer that that of Samsungs .5mm screen and almost as fine as the windows in your house.
The problem is the Toshiba TV cost $9000 and is not available.
The Philips is also now delayed until Feb 03.
All of this leads me to beleive that when Philips got so many returns from thier original shipment of the LCoS sets, and they have seen what thier competators are about to unleash, they did some fancy back-peddling.
This makes me want to take back my DLP to Tweeter instead of waiting for them to swap it with the Philips LCoS and just wait until things cool down.
Hopefully all this wait will result in something good for us HDTV hopefulls.
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| Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 05:54 pm: |
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I just received word from Tweeter in Danbury. Philips model will be shipping in 2 to 3 weeks.
I have seen letter from president of Philips apologizing for problems and assuring that earlier production issuess have been addressed and any first run units will be replaced by Philips.
Since I experienced 3 defective units I look forward to getting one back. When it worked I could not have been happier especially when watching either DVD or standard cable feed. |
Boston |
| Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:43 pm: |
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So --- is it February or two to three weeks. Will anyone at Philips take responsibility and let the consumer know? |
Atlanta |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 09:40 am: |
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Have been told by the local Tweeter Co that Philips LCoS units are scheduled for delivery December 4. |
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| Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 01:58 pm: |
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I don't know where February info came from. Could be that if you do not have one on order already.
Other then that the manager of Tweeter Danbury confirmed to me the 2 to 3 week time frame. |
WillemO |
| Posted on Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 04:54 pm: |
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Just to make everyone consider waiting even longer, Philips announced a new 1,080x1,920 LCoS chip, to be mass produced starting Q1 2004. The chip has the same (physical) size as the 720x1280 one, so it should be easy to pop the high resolution chip into the same set with little extra engineering. Here's a link to eetimes:
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20031022S0054
frustrating this new technology!!, there's always something better ahead. However since the max resolution of ATSC format is 1080x1920, at least this new chip can't be improved in that aspect. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:31 pm: |
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I'm new to this message board, but I bring excellent news. The corrected Philips LCoS 55PL977S will be shipping the third week of November and will be available for delivery shortly there after. The 44PL977S (44" model) has been delayed until the end of the first quarter 2004. The delays are caused primarily by initial low yields of servicible LCoS chips. To address picture quality issues (ie: purple haze or cast), the initial shipments of LCoS TV's were programmed for European tastes and PAL Television broadcast, not American tastes or NTSC. Initial shipments were recalled or quaratined to correct this problem. Units being shipped now are new, not repaired/remanufactured pieces. I, like many other people, am looking forward to seeing this TV in action without the prior problems. Oh, just so you know how I got all this info; I managed to get a hold of the West Coast Philips sales representative (name withheld purposely), who was very helpful. |
Boston |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 06:26 pm: |
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I have had the 55" Cineo on order from Tweeter since August and never received any unit, not even a defective one. Tweeter has been great and was customer-friendly enough to provide me with a Sony 50" GWVII while I have waited.
As suggested in another forum, I called 865-521-3435 (Philips service in Knoxville, TN)and was put in touch with a "Cineos specialist." He informed me that Philips began shipping the 55" Cineos to the retail stores (in my case, Tweeter) on November 7. He also informed me that Philips has done much more than "fix" the purple haze and other problems. It has also supposedly added several significant upgrades so that the new Cineos are even better than the few originals that did not have problems. For those who have held off, it seems as if we may know soon whether this has been worth the wait. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 08:12 pm: |
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Hello,
I was wondering if you knew any information in regards to when Philips planned (and how- what size..ect.) on implementing the new DD1080 chips into their Ceneos TV's? When would they be available for purchase? It says in the attached link that they plan on mass producing the new chips in Q1 of 2004.. this would be a huge advantage in purchasing a Ceneos... any and all information would be appreciated!!
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20031022S0054
Thanks- Matt |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 09:30 am: |
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I have also heard that the 44" would not be ready until sometime in the first quarter of '04, I e-mailed Philips after I read this and whomever responded wrote that they would be ready sooner, so I guess it depends on who you contact at Philips. |
Brian |
| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 04:14 pm: |
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we are scheduled to have our first unit arrive in our showroom the monday after turkey day...so get ready they are coming and they look amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buying one myself....
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Joe Hendrix |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 03:38 pm: |
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Do you have a model number, and size of the new Phillips? |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 09:26 am: |
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The model number for the LCOS is:
44pl977s and 55pl977s 44" and 55" screen size |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:52 pm: |
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What's up with the new DD1080? It says that Philips plans on mas producing in Q1 but really what does that mean to us the consumer? It seems as though it would be much worth the wait for the 1080 over the models that are coming after Turkey day... anyone??? |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 09:34 am: |
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I am planning on the big wait, this is going to be the last television that I will be buying for a while, so I want the latest improvement that I can get. |
ATL |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 01:40 pm: |
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Just got the call from Tweeter here that my 55" Cineos is in their store and ready for delivery. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 10:41 pm: |
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Visited my local Good Guys a couple of weeks ago, and the sales rep told me that the 55" had only one lamp, therefore, maintenance and repairs are much lower than the competiton. Under $100 vs over $300 on the competition. Does anyone know what the expected lifespan of these lamps? On another site, it was noted that the LCoS projector lamps had from 1,000 to 1,500 hours of life. Could this mean a lamp change every year? I have also heard the new sets will be in the Bay Area the day after Turkey Day! |
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