Help again!!
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New member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 8 Registered: Oct-09 | Hi everyone: I tried to point my dish in every possible way I know how, and I am still not getting any quality. Again, my dish is a 76 cm samsung and my receiver is a captive works 600. What i am trying to get is the fta international channels, especially the arabic channels. I tried to point my dish to galaxy 11 or nimiq 1 (91W) as well as 97W but without success in getting the quality. What could I possibly doing wrong? |
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Silver Member Username: SumpPost Number: 831 Registered: Aug-09 | what LNB and what are your LNB settings |
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New member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 9 Registered: Oct-09 | Thank you for responding, Sump. The LNB I have is linear, and I have the LNB type set to normal and the diseq swith to off. |
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Silver Member Username: SumpPost Number: 834 Registered: Aug-09 | need details boss ...from the screens ..and model number/brand LNBs, switches in the line, dish size i have green shirt on .. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 655 Registered: Dec-08 | set lnb freq to 10750 and use dishpointer dot com to help you align the dish |
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New member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 10 Registered: Oct-09 | As I said in my original post, the dish size is 76 cm samsung dish. I am assuming that the LNB is samsung also as I don't see any information on the LNB itself. There are no switches in line. The receiver I have is CaptiveWorks 600. Under antenna settings menue I have: Satellite name, Frequency, khz, Lnb type(set to normal), Diseq switch (set to off) and motorized system (set to off) |
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Silver Member Username: SumpPost Number: 835 Registered: Aug-09 | yes chumley is right .. so this dish used to be used with the CW setup ?? or is this a new installl |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11541 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser alfaress You will not have signal if you don't have a channels recorded in your receiver. You must put a Tp then channel manualy, choose this Tp Frequence to get the signal.  |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 11 Registered: Oct-09 | Thanks sump and plymouth. The thing is that I don't have galaxy 19 listed under my satellite list menu. How do I add that satellite to the list. The only thing that is listed under 97w is Ku-Telestar 5. The dish I am installing is a new install, and I haven't used it before. I used to have DN on my receiver before they went to N3. I would like to get DN back but I don't know if that is possible with their new system(N3) |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11542 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser You can add a new satellite on your CW600p as well that you can add new tp's and put the PID info for the channel. For now nothing is out for N3 and I can't see when it will be out. |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 12 Registered: Oct-09 | Thank you plymouth for your patience. I tried your recommendations but nothing seems to work. what else could i do. No quality whatsoever. The dish pointer site said that i should use the following coordinates to point the dish: Azimuth 196.7 and Elevation 42.5. I did that and still nothing. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11544 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser Are you able to get 77W? |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 656 Registered: Dec-08 | These are the setting I use for 97w (cw600s)  With dishpointer dot com , set up the map for your dish location , aim as shown and adjust elevation till you get good quality |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 706 Registered: Dec-07 | Yaser do you have a satellite signal finder ? Look at this Youtube video. If you like that, the meter costs approximately $15 US. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasil73C_K0&feature=player_embedded http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Accessories/Meters/SF95L-DSS-FTA-Satellite-Si gnal-meter.htm |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 13 Registered: Oct-09 | thank you chumley, plymouth and the outer limits for your helpful tips. How does the satellite finder help? I have a 13" TV that i use on my yard to watch for the signal quality. Is the satellite finder any different? Also, chumley, I tried your settings that you sent me in your response, but i am still having trouble. I think I might need to change my dish location. I have not tried to get 77w, plymouth, but i will try. By the way guys, how clear should the the view be in order to get the signal? On my yard I have big trees, but since it is fall right now the trees only have bare branches and I don't have an area in my yard that has a 100% clear view at the sky. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 657 Registered: Dec-08 | You might be able to get signal thru the tree without the leaves. When aiming the dish make sure in your antenna settings that you have selected an active transponder, you could use this site to ensure that the TP is active. www.global-cm.net/MPEGlistKuBandUS.html or use 11779 H 3979 for 97w |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 707 Registered: Dec-07 | If you had the meter, then you would not care about transponders. You would however point the antenna quickly. The meter does just that. Quickly and accurately ponting to a satellite and the you use your receiver to confirm that you are on the correct satellite. The meter also has a tone to let you point to a maximum. Watching a TV at the same time might be more difficult. Your method works as well as long as your receiver has a correct setup for the satellite and has at least one transponder set up correctly as mentioned by Chumley. I second Chumley as your chances of getting a signal through trees. Let us assume the branches do not obstruct more than 30% of the view. Let us also assume only one tree obscures the view. Not layers of trees. |
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Silver Member Username: SumpPost Number: 837 Registered: Aug-09 | the higher end meters like the "bird dog" u actually tell it what sat i want to align and it is the best .. the lower end units do not tell you what sat u on just that it gets signal ..so u may want 110 but it lock on 101 .. using the reciever is good idea with TV ... c@@lsat had great meter built in .. If u have trees u fighting loosing battle IMHO |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11546 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser Sorry It was 97W not 77W! If you are able to get 97W, it will confirmed that your system is able to work on same satellite than 91W. Outer Limits is right a satellite finder work very well , much better than a Tv but Tv will give you the satellite name. Note that you will not see 91W on your receiver display because there are channels Feed which are hidden. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 658 Registered: Dec-08 | Thanks plymouth ... I didn't know this, You will not have signal if you don't have a channels recorded in your receiver Do you suggest loading someone else's channel list then find the signal - 'cause normally I would find the signal and then scan the sat for channels . Thanks for your help |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 14 Registered: Oct-09 | PLYMOUTH, How do you record channels into your receiver? Usually I scan the satellite for channels after I get the signals from it. This was the case with 119w and 110w as well as 61.5w which I previously had. My receiver now is on factory default. How do I record the channels into the receiver before finding the signal. I am asking this because I tried everything you guys told me to do and still no quality. So I am thinking it might be because of the channels that are not recorded. |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 708 Registered: Dec-07 | Yaser you do not need channel info. Only a list of transponders on that satellite. This gives you transponder frequencies. After finding signal on a transponder, you can scan on it. It will show you the satellite name likely. Make sure you see your satellite name in the satellite list for your receiver. If you don't see satellite name, you will have to add satellite info. |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 709 Registered: Dec-07 | Anyone can add to my comments ? Yaser need to fill in the satellite info in his CW receiver. I am not a CW specialist. Anyone ??? |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 15 Registered: Oct-09 | Thanks the outer limits. I used the recommended transponder 12022/v/22000/5/6 and 11789/v/23000/auto. However, I am still having trouble with finding quality for the satellite. I don't know what the problem is. I am really frustrated. I do have telestar 5 (97w) under my satellite menu. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 16479 Registered: Jun-06 | Telestar 5 was at 97W and was moved. The new sat at 97W location is Galaxy 19. I believe, but I am not sure, it acquired most of the channels that were in Telestar 5. I am not sure if the TPs are the same. You have the old T5 list in your receiver and you can easily compare with the TP list at Galaxy 19 using lyngsat*com. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11550 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser I have CW600p! List the Satellite, Transponder then the PID info or the channel and I will help you to enter it in your receiver. Now I suggest you to try to get 97W and see if your LNB are able to work in Linear mode. Cumley If you add a transponder and you are not sure that you are well aimed, your scan will not worked. You must have a good transponder then a channel stored in this transponder to be able to see the signal for aimed your dish.  |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11551 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser Do you have a picture of your LNB and dish, a brand or a link, it seem that your LNB can't get 97W. This dish brand is not usual here! Your cable could be defective. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 659 Registered: Dec-08 | Playmouth, Of course someone aiming a dish needs to have selected an active transponder in antenna settings in order to find any signal. I didn't know thats what you meant by this: You will not have signal if you don't have a channels recorded in your receiver ----------------------------------------------- yaser , try it with this TP 11779 H 3979- you might need to add it.  |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 710 Registered: Dec-07 | Please note that once you have locked down on Galaxy 19 at 97W, your box will identify the satellite as Intelsat 5. Not as Galaxy 19. This is how my VS box identifies the sat once I scanned the 200 and so channels on it. Also note that Galaxy 19 satellite signal is extremely strong. It should be very easy to find. |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 16 Registered: Oct-09 | Plymouth, I can't seem to fit the images I took with my digital camera into the message because of the dimensions of the images. If you have an e-mail address I can send these pics to it. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11554 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser Load this utility and resize your picture to 800x600 pixels in JPG. I don't give my E-mail because there is too much troublemakers. |
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Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_greatNC USA Post Number: 201 Registered: Jul-09 | No need to worry about the ones you call troublemakers. you need to worry about the main man and Iam sure he knows who you are and where you live.  |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 17 Registered: Oct-09 | I respect your privacy, Plymouth. And I will try to use the site you gave me to resize my pics and send them to you. Thanks?!! |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 18 Registered: Oct-09 | Plymouth, Here are the pics i took for my dish and LNB.  |
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Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_greatNC USA Post Number: 204 Registered: Jul-09 | yaser alfaress Your Azimuth (True North) is 196.7. but your Compass Reading should be 200.7 you need to add your Magnetic Deviation West 3.87 |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 188 Registered: Sep-09 | yaser my brother toro Is one of our best helpers.Plymouth Is a troublemaker. |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 19 Registered: Oct-09 | Plymouth, here are the other pics I took.  For whiskey, I am not using a compass and using 196.7 and elevation 42.5 but still no quality. By the way, I am not too worried about troublemakers since there is nothing illegal about true fta. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11555 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser It seem that your dish is in direct line with the big tree on back of the picture.  I'm not able to found your LNB type! Try those 2 satellites: www.lyngsat. com/amc1.html www.lyngsat. com/amc21.html |
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Bronze Member Username: RicocissanJimmys friend, Not Kings Post Number: 74 Registered: Oct-09 | "'m not able to found your LNB type!" Speak english f@cking frenchfry. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11556 Registered: Jan-08 | Your dish point on red circle  |
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Silver Member Username: Last_supperRush is a HO-MO Post Number: 202 Registered: May-09 | Whiskey Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_great NC USA Post Number: 205 Registered: Jul-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post Happy If you call me Papi I want to make you happy, but your sh!t will not work. Plymouth and Nalin will rat to the man. Btw what happen to Rico and Gregraf they haven't been around. |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 20 Registered: Oct-09 | Well Plymouth, my dish in the picture is actually pointing to the true south. When I move it to the west(right) to try to get 97w, I get no quality. The reason I left it pointing south is because I got tired of messing with it, so the true south will be my reference point when I try to point it later. Do you need a better picture of the LNB to determine what type I have?? |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11564 Registered: Jan-08 | yaser Yes if you can take a picture of back LNB, it will be easier to found the Model. |
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Silver Member Username: Last_supperRush is a HO-MO Post Number: 203 Registered: May-09 | Jesus H Christ Silver Member Username: Last_supper Rush is a HO-MO Post Number: 202 Registered: May-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:02 pm: Edit Post Whiskey Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_great NC USA Post Number: 205 Registered: Jul-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post Happy If you call me Papi I want to make you happy, but your sh!t will not work. Plymouth and Nalin will rat to the man. Btw what happen to Rico and Gregraf they haven't been around.   |
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New member Username: Last___supperSo Is Plymouth Post Number: 1 Registered: Nov-09 | Jesus H Christ Silver Member Username: Last_supper Rush is a HO-MO Post Number: 203 Registered: May-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:40 pm: Edit Post Jesus H Christ Silver Member Username: Last_supper Rush is a HO-MO Post Number: 202 Registered: May-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:02 pm: Edit Post Whiskey Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_great NC USA Post Number: 205 Registered: Jul-09 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post Happy If you call me Papi I want to make you happy, but your sh!t will not work. Plymouth and Nalin will rat to the man. Btw what happen to Rico and Gregraf they haven't been around. Upload  |
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Silver Member Username: ApplebeesPost Number: 411 Registered: Oct-08 |  |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 713 Registered: Dec-07 | Yaser I can assure you your tree should not present major attenuation of the signal. It is cleared enough of its vegetation. You should not have problems getting 97W. My own backyard looks like yours and I am receiving 97 loud and clear. |
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Silver Member Username: El_toro_the_greatNC USA Post Number: 206 Registered: Jul-09 | yaser alfaress........For whiskey, I am not using a compass and using 196.7 and elevation 42.5 but still no quality. Wheather you are using a Compass or not from your location to Galaxy 19 at 97.0°W your Azimuth is 201.oW and not 196.7 yaser alfaress.....Well Plymouth, my dish in the picture is actually pointing to the true south. yaser without a Compass how can you tell where is True South? Friend without a Satellite Signal Finder like Apple Bee said above maybe by X-Mas. I was always told to get the job done right you need the right tools. BTW....you are wasting your time posting your installation pictures. I don't think there is anyone that can tell the Azimuth or Elevation by looking at those pictures. It seem that your Elevation of 42.5 is high enough to over come that tree. Like The Outer Limits posted above the tree is not your problem. You need a Satellite Signal Finder you can see and hear when you are close to the Bird, your 13" TV will not tell you if you are getting close or away from the Bird. http://transatelectronics.com/store/handymonkeytrade-satellite-signal-finder_P337  $8.99 |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost: 11.565 Post Number: 194 Registered: Sep-09 | Yaser your satellite should work at night cause your dish wont be able to see the tree. |
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Gold Member Username: RiconissanPost Number: 2162 Registered: Feb-09 | LOL |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 195 Registered: Sep-09 |  |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11568 Registered: Jan-08 | Poor idiot!  |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 196 Registered: Sep-09 | Poor f@cking frenchfry |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 201 Registered: Sep-09 | BUMP |
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Bronze Member Username: YalfaressPost Number: 21 Registered: Oct-09 | Well guys: I finally got the signal from galaxy 19. Thanks for all your help. It turned out that the elevation that I was given from dish pointer dot com was not enough and I had to tilt the dish upwards more to get the signals. However, I don't seem to be able to get more than 30% quality, no matter how much I tried. Note that the signal is very sensitive, any slight movement to the dish in any direction, and the signal will be lost(I am talking about quality of course) Any suggestions? |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 715 Registered: Dec-07 | Once you have found out the maximum signal playing with Azimuth and Elevation, you might try to rotate the LNB. Unscrew the collar slightly and rotate it about 45 degrees on each side. Find the maximum signal and then change to a different polarity transponder (H or V) and try to rotate again. Try to find the best compromise for both polarities. Then you are done. Tighten the collar screws. If the collar and the neck of the LNB waveguide allows you, try moving the entire LNB slightly along its axis (in toward the antenna our out toward the sky). Usually, you can do this since there is about half and inch of play present there. This might improve the focus point of the dish and improve the signal/quality. Let us know of your findings. |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 716 Registered: Dec-07 | If you cannot improve the signal, then try watching the FTA channels that you get for a while. If you really enjoy the stuff, then you might pick a larger or better quality antenna that will give you more gain. And choose a better LNB for the job. The rest of the gang on this forum might make suggestions. They are more profficient than I at suggesting brands. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11576 Registered: Jan-08 | Good point from The Outer Limits! The skew and focus point is very important! |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 717 Registered: Dec-07 | Quand vient le temps de trouver des grenailles, tout est important ! Mais je trouve étonnant qu'il n'ait pas plus de signal que ca. Ici, j'ai une 36 pouces qui pointe dans les arbres et 97W cogne de facon épouvantable. Le signal est tellement fort. Aussi fort qu'un Nimiq je dirais ! Salutations. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11577 Registered: Jan-08 | Bernard Depuis le nouveau satellite Galaxie 19, j'ai un meilleur signal, mais certain Tp ont le signal tres bas 30% seulement sur mon VS Ultra alors que sur le Nfusion j'ai 80%. Avant de faire du fine tuning, il fallait avoir un peu de signal, en general le focus se situe au centre du collet du LNB, l'inclinaison sur mon LNB QPH-031 n'est pas parfaitement droit meme avec le moteur, comme quoi il faut aller chercher le maximum partout. Dis moi ou tu as pris ta 36"? Je veut une 48" mais pas possible a Quebec! |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 720 Registered: Dec-07 | Me semble qu'elle vient d'Electromike. Ou bien je me trompe et c'est une 33 pouces.... Moi j'ai une 4 pieds mais a fallu que je surveille un commercant qui fermait ses portes. Il avait ca sur le toit comme lien bidirectionnel avec un des Anik. J'en ai vu une belle qui traine a Montmagny sur une batisse de concessionnaire auto abandonnée sur le toit. Au centre-ville. Pres du maxi. Bonne chance. Elle est la prete a etre ramassée. Ca prend juste une persmission et une échelle. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11578 Registered: Jan-08 | Bernard Chez Electromike c'est des 33", je peut avoir une 10' C-Band mais je ne peut pas la positionner sur mon terrain a cause des arbres, c'est pour ca qu'une 4' avec un moteur SG-2100 ou SG-6000 ferait bien l'affaire avec un capteur C-Band, monté sur le toit ou sur une tour. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 661 Registered: Dec-08 | With dishpointer dot com , set up the map for your dish location , aim as shown and adjust elevation till you get good quality |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 207 Registered: Sep-09 | Plymouth Platinum Member Username: Plymouth Canada Post Number: 11568 Registered: Jan-08 Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 12:52 pm: Edit Post Poor idiot! |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 208 Registered: Sep-09 | Plymouth Platinum Member Username: Plymouth Canada Post Number: 11577 Registered: Jan-08 Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 09:46 am: Edit Post Bernard Depuis le nouveau satellite Galaxie 19, j'ai un meilleur signal, mais certain Tp ont le signal tres bas 30% seulement sur mon VS Ultra alors que sur le Nfusion j'ai 80%. Avant de faire du fine tuning, il fallait avoir un peu de signal, en general le focus se situe au centre du collet du LNB, l'inclinaison sur mon LNB QPH-031 n'est pas parfaitement droit meme avec le moteur, comme quoi il faut aller chercher le maximum partout. Dis moi ou tu as pris ta 36"? Je veut une 48" mais pas possible a |
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Silver Member Username: El_tora_the_greatPost Number: 209 Registered: Sep-09 | Plymouth Platinum Member Username: Plymouth Canada Post Number: 11578 Registered: Jan-08 Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 10:16 am: Edit Post Bernard Chez Electromike c'est des 33", je peut avoir une 10' C-Band mais je ne peut pas la positionner sur mon terrain a cause des arbres, c'est pour ca qu'une 4' avec un moteur SG-2100 ou SG-6000 ferait bien l'affaire avec un capteur C-Band, monté sur le toit ou sur une tour. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 16497 Registered: Jun-06 | yaser alfaress: Listen to Outer limits and Plymouth. Ignore chumley and Whiskey. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 664 Registered: Dec-08 | Playmouth's help- You will not have signal if you don't have a channels recorded in your receiver. Your cable could be defective. Your dish point on red circle |
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Bronze Member Username: JustforhohasPost Number: 59 Registered: Oct-09 |  |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 722 Registered: Dec-07 | Hi Plymouth / Chumley My main PC power supply inside my HP Pavillon gave up.... I have to get a new one tomorrow. I am now using my Acer Netbook to stay in touch ! For 97W, I do get a solid 67% signal strength with 65% quality on my VS2000 Platinum. Really strong signal. I am sorry about the false info on the 36 inch antenna. I now have found the paper for that antenna and it is not 36 inches but 38. The bill I have found as well is from Paracom (before they closed) and I remember buying it for Hispasat. He suggested me that antenna with no solid guarantee it would work. He was right. I got the 4 foot job later on because the 38 inch would not be sufficient. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 11630 Registered: Jan-08 | The Outer Limits Ok that's why you get few channels that I don't get!' There is no more C-Band reseller in Quebec city! |
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