RTPI On AMC4

 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 73
Registered: Dec-07
Im in the process of installing a dish to get the free (true FTA) RTPI on AMC 4 (101)

I having some trouble finding the right TP... when I scan for 12 169 3003SR H 3/4, it fails...

I did a blind scan and it came up finding ESPN - Primary (11 967 13234SR H 3/4)

any advie on have to move the dish?
 

Silver Member
Username: Chumley

Post Number: 313
Registered: Dec-08
scan 12033, 3003SR H

use dishpointer.com , if you need to aim the dish

Upload
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4319
Registered: Oct-06
It's failing cuz yo are pointing to 99W
ESPN Airport is on 99W
If yo want 101W AMC4 yo have to move dish very slightly by 2 degrees clockwise
This should do it
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 74
Registered: Dec-07
ok i will try :-)
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 75
Registered: Dec-07
no good, im getting searvhing for signal >_<

when i try to scan just that TP, the quality jumps to about 12 for a second
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 76
Registered: Dec-07
and now it jumps to 50 for a split second O.o
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9652
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

List your receiver, your dish size and your location.

This channel is up for me

AMC 4: RTP Int. Tp 12033 3003 H 3/4 v33 a34 p8190 up!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 77
Registered: Dec-07
Viewsat Extreme , 33 inch dish, and im in toronto

cant seem to lock onto that frequency
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9667
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

You must set the Skew (LNB angle) on a linear LNB for get maximum signal.

Use this for aimed your dish and LNB angle(skew):

http://satcalculator.freehostia.com/
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4320
Registered: Oct-06
I've had so many similar problems with VU-sat tuners
Use another reliable receiver to get the signal
Then do blind scan using the VU-sat

I use birdog to find any sat
VU-sat is not the best receiver to locate a satellite in installation unless yo are pointed right on it
Especially on H transponders

Also there is a lot of satellite activities in recent days making pointing dish a bit challenging

This is what I would try if I were yo:
- Select TP 12120
Pol=V
S/R= 30000
FEC= 3/4 or auto
- Get the highest signal level by adjusting dish pointing
- Make sure your skew is according to yor geographical location like plymouth tell yo
- Do blind scan

When yor signal is jumping up and down it means the combination of yor LNB settings, yor pointing, and internal frequency don't match
Typical installation mismatch error
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9668
Registered: Jan-08
Silver and King

For best result go at viewstusa.com then load Satellite info for your receiver, you will get the latest TP's available.

 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4323
Registered: Oct-06
VS hasn't changed their firmware since June 2007
That's V0279 on this page [link removed]

It might help for better pointing
I use birdog I get any sat I want in a minute or two
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9671
Registered: Jan-08
King

Forget the number of update because many update was made and still with same name.

That's same thing for Vs ultra believe me.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 78
Registered: Dec-07
im honestly starting to get pissed off now

The quality keeps flickering from 0 to 40 and back and forth......

When i nudge the dish a little, that flickering will stop and i wont get any quality at all
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9680
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

Here is the setting for this bird

LNB Type: Standard
LNB Freq: 10750

Do you have a tree between your dish and satellite?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 80
Registered: Dec-07
what do u mean by a three?


i have the LNB connected to port 3 on my DisEqc switch
 

Silver Member
Username: Chumley

Post Number: 318
Registered: Dec-08
Plymouth means a 'TREE'

fahan , why don't you use www.ftalist.com , find active transponder for amc4 , select that tp in your settings and aim your dish with the assistance of www.dishpointer.com

If you blind scan and only get a ESPN feed , then i would say you are not aimed at the correct sat.
 

Gold Member
Username: Riconissan

Post Number: 1184
Registered: Feb-09
I think it could be a Christmas three.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 81
Registered: Dec-07
no theres no "tree" lol :P

when i blind scan now i get about 50 channels

The first couple show up as AMC 4 101, then the latter few show up as AMC 1 103

I tried moving the dish slightly, but then i dont even get that flickering quality...


btw this is the LNB i have...

http://www.avcentre.net/product_info.php?cPath=134_181&products_id=865
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9683
Registered: Jan-08
Sorry for the 3

chumley is right this is "tree" LOL
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 82
Registered: Dec-07
LOL
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9684
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

Put the Tp and PID manualy:

AMC 4: RTP Int. Tp 12033 3003 H 3/4 v33 a34 p8190
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4325
Registered: Oct-06
im honestly starting to get pissed off now
The quality keeps flickering from 0 to 40 and back and forth......


Gotta use something different to point besides the VS
Like I told yo
One time I used a birdog and I was pointed exactly at 97W
But that stupid VS kept flickering on me like crazy
The VS tuner is screwed up

Yo can try load the V0279 [link removed]
Might work better for pointing
Or simply use something else
Also Vertical Tps are easier to get than Horizontal TPs with FTA receivers
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 83
Registered: Dec-07
did, it says "searching signal" and no quality....

>_>

if i moved the dish slowly, would the channel come up if i passed it?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 84
Registered: Dec-07
ummm i have an OLD OLD Fortec lying around somewhere..... before i had to change over to the vs for N2

would that work?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4327
Registered: Oct-06
I always find unflashed receivers work better for pointing FTA
Yo gotta use a virgin receiver
It sounds like both receivers lost their virginities
 

Gold Member
Username: Riconissan

Post Number: 1185
Registered: Feb-09
Silver,
You can find this satellite with your receiver. Don't let KT discourage you. Use dishpointer com and use the Google map to find a landmark to point your dish to. It is pretty darn accurate.

Upload
Not everyone can afford a Birddog.
 

Silver Member
Username: Picanha

East LA

Post Number: 473
Registered: Jun-08
Upload
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 85
Registered: Dec-07
if i add the channel manually, and then move the dish slowly as someone watched the TV, will that work?
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9687
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

First if you add the Tp and Pid channel and put the receiver on this Tp you must be able to get the signal.

Are you sure that you have set the skew correctly?

You must use a satellite finder for best result, warning many cheap satellite finder doesn,t have amplifier built-in, so don't buy the cheaper.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 86
Registered: Dec-07
im pointed directly at the dish... my scew is right, and when i blind scan i get channels on AMC 4....

but when i manually add the tp for RTPI... it wont lock onto it, i still get that flickering
 

Silver Member
Username: Chumley

Post Number: 324
Registered: Dec-08
Have you tried to connect the fortec and see if will lock onto the signal?

On the same sat with a captiveworks i have the same problem , except its TP 11983 quality goes from 0 to 50% and back to 0 constantly , yet that TP works fine on other receivers.
Upload
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4337
Registered: Oct-06
Sounds like a tuner issue
Revert back to original factory bin
[link removed]
Download bin V0279

Like I told yo before I had a similar problem with VSXtreme
DN flashed bins skrews up the VU-sat tuner capability
Try bin V0279
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 87
Registered: Dec-07
king, the thing is i have the VS connected to 119 and 61.5 so i need the DN flashed bin
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9731
Registered: Jan-08
Silver

Post your settings on this bird(AMC 4).

Are you able to get few Horizontal TP's?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4338
Registered: Oct-06
"the thing is i have the VS connected to 119 and 61.5"
Yo can always reflash it back
Also avoid using DISEqC switch
Go straight from LNB to receiver by using a female to female coupler
Once yo get nice signal level then yo can reflash back and reconnect back D-Switch

So far yo have no idea if yor pointed correctly to the center of the beam and VU-sat tuners are pain in the butt when they are flashed for Na*gra
 

Bronze Member
Username: Silvermir

Post Number: 88
Registered: Dec-07
my settings:

Type: Standard
Freq. 10750
22khz : off
DisEqc: 3
Motor: Off
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4349
Registered: Oct-06
Did yo try what I told yo
No DISEqC sw
Straight from LNB to Receiver
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Canada

Post Number: 9761
Registered: Jan-08
LNB Type?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York Citay in-HD, NY

Post Number: 4350
Registered: Oct-06
Silver
- First delete Sat
Make sure yo are not using AMC 4/C
If yo do not have 101 AMC4 KU
Then create satellite with its Tp 12033 H

- Second turn on Beep option
>>Menu>>User Setting>>Option>>Change Beep for Scanning Option to ON

- Yor settings should be
LNB Type to Standard (standard means Standard KU)
Do not use Universal
LNB Freq= 10750
TP Freq= 12033 H

Do it without D-Switch in yor connection
Straight from LNB to Receiver

Aim and point dish for highest level
Keep in mind H polarity are bit difficult to point
Use patience
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