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Gold Member Username: RunnerguyPluto Post Number: 1523 Registered: Sep-06 | Most recent changes to the Dish Channel List page: 8/25/08 9445 TMP13 became DNC08 in High Definition today and became available to all Dish Network subscribers with HD receivers at 61.5° and 148°. It was also Mapped down to channel 211 to be along side the standard version which is at 110° for all Dish subscribers and 72.7° for Eastern Arc subscribers. (ANON) WSJU 30 San Juan became a MEGA TV affiliate today. (Nelson) 8/24/08 INSP will be coming to Dish Network channel 259 for all subscribers on 8/27/08. It is already uplinked. This channel will also be debuting on DirecTV on the same day. This is according to a Multichannel news story. (Juan) All the changes from last Wednesday are in the chart as of last Thursday. All of the changes dealt with catching up with making nearly all of the 72.7° channels available. Package info will be added as time allows. New designation MP4-EA stands for MPEG 4 - Eastern Arc. Eastern Arc channels at 72.7° are not available to existing subscribers. When they are, the EA designation will disappear. Again Eastern Arc (61.5°, 72.7°, 77°) has exactly the same channels as "Western Arc" (110°, 119° 129°) with the exception of Dish Latino with is currently NOT available on Eastern Arc. There is no reason for existing subscribers to change to Eastern Arc. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3300 Registered: Oct-06 | Very bad news for current HD PTA users HD will be first to drop out |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 3759 Registered: Oct-07 | king isn't nfusion hd rec are already in mpeg4 |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3301 Registered: Oct-06 | Most MPEG-4 are 1080i Like D#TV, Star*choice, Cable TV even D#N etc. No one in the industry uses 1080p But it looks to me that D#N started doing 1080p None of the current FTA receivers can do 1080p At least not without a hrdware 1080p module And also selecting specific on demand channels in blu-ray format After market people can build 8PSK modules for 1080p Question is, how fast, or by who? No such module exist, not yet And even if they do Blu-ray is a 3 level encryption They can put V-guard plus Nagra#3 plus macrovision 1080p was previously built by Toshiba and Sony/Philips Toshiba droped out the technology early this March 2008 Leaving Sony as the only sole owner of 1080p Toshiba had HD-DVD Sony has Blu-ray Blu-ray is the only 1080p on this planet Anyone build or use 1080p blu-ray must lisence the technology from Sony and pay royalty to Sony Macrovision has something new called rip-guard Not as complicated as Nagra but it adds to security level This will be interesting to me Bottom line 1080p broadcast is an entirely different concept I don't know what's gonna happen to HD PTA future after it drops out, but it will drop out for several weeks perhaps forever I'm only here for the chess game |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 3763 Registered: Oct-07 | so basically even for dn they have to send a new boxes to their customers or existing rec will work.. if they have to send new boxes .. will customers have to pay, other wise it gonna cost them a lot.. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3302 Registered: Oct-06 | I don't know how they'll process the exchange By what they announced so far - HD Service is available for new customers only with new HD#Turbo equipment - Not until feb 2009 current custmers can not get this new 1080p HD Feb 20 they can upgrade current HD receivers - They trained dealers on how to swap current 8PSK 1080i module - They may have to replace entire receiver I'm not sure HD receivers are not that expensive They should cost less than $175 FTA receivers are way over priced I don't think they'll charge their customers, it's not their fault they're changing system but it is a great deal of money If for 1,000,000 existing HD customer replace a $175 box that's $175,000,000 USD And if they got it at a good deal Let's say $100 To replace 20,000,000 receivers That's over $2,000,000,000 USD That's 20 Billion Dollars Definatly not a pocket change So I'm assuming They're changing a little at time Start with HD and work their way to upgrade all units That's what Scientific Atlanta did to older cable decoder boxes |
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Gold Member Username: The_codersPost Number: 1403 Registered: Jan-08 | that's 2 billion and it's peanuts to them |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3303 Registered: Oct-06 | I don't think they make that much of a profit to recover $2 Bs that easy It can take them 10 years to recover such an expense And no one in the tech can guarantee that it will keep friendly PTA users completely away What I'm guessing This new Turbo is an experimental More like dating process If there is chemistry then they get married "DATING PROCESS" I do think so |
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Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 3765 Registered: Oct-07 | 20 billion .. dollar investment... i don;`t think that will be profitable.. well i still beleive coders are smart know ,, what ever dn did , they survived so far... |
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Silver Member Username: VittuPost Number: 258 Registered: Oct-07 | You think Genpix Skywalker-1 will be able to handle this change? |
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New member Username: ObamabinbidenPiece, Of Shit Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-08 | Time to sell my sonicview hd I guess, eh! |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3307 Registered: Oct-06 | Vittu Yo asked a very good question Man this is the best question I had on HD all year I never under estimate any exchange of info At first I didn't know who is Genpix To those of yo don't know what that is http://www.genpix-electronics.com/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=9 Look In electronics everything is breakable making a hardware module that converts 8#PSK 1080p is achievable but not without knowledge of exact signal process 1080p is not something yo pull off from the shelf and start to put together 1080p was designed to protect copy right for HD-DVD and/or blu-ray mainly for on-demand movie rental including downloads As far as I know only 2 companies had this technology Toshiba and Sony and they are not even compatible to one another The hardware is not out of this earth It is definitely can be back-engineered But has to be 100% under ground as it is not like 1080i where anyone can do it Also the time is totally unknown It can take 2 months or it can take up to 2 years Also the multiple encryption levels can drive coders insane They can resolve one issue and run to couple others PTA will survive I have no doubt Coders got unblievable determination But I still think coders will move on to much easier targets This won't be the easiest target for sure I made a living on predicting unknown strategy And I don't have a cystal ball I use educated guess This new D#N change won't be a piece-a-cake |
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Silver Member Username: SitsatPost Number: 170 Registered: Jun-06 | Hey King, when DN uses 1080p, a current HD FTA receiver should be able to down-convert it to 720p or 1080I and display it, no? I guess i need to learn a lot more about how this works. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3314 Registered: Oct-06 | Yo can learn by ask first I don't discourage anyone from asking Before yo upscale or down scale Yo have to be able to decode incoming signal first Decoding 1080p requires hardware before software up/down converting It's like trying to take a cd player and convert it to a DVD player It's not gonna work But DVD player can play both as it is designed to play both formats cd and dvd So 1080p is a higher level hardware that can down convert to anything like 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i can't upscale from 1080i to 1080p cuz it's not 1080i Only Tvs upscale 1080i to 1080p as video quality enhancement Yo can down scale Only way to decode 1080p is compatible hardware to decode 1080p signal Like I said Nothing unbeatable hardware is built here on earth But right now no such an animal in the market to decode 1080p It could take best engineers very long time to come up with a reversed technology |
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New member Username: Funtoy1001Post Number: 7 Registered: Jul-08 | K T seems to imply DN is converting all HD channels to 1080p but I don't think that is the case. At this time, only selected VOD PPV movies are available for 1080p and only if you have a 1080p capable TV. If you current HD FTA doesn't handle VOD, there is no need to worry about if it can down convert to 1080i. |
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Bronze Member Username: Sonia18Post Number: 12 Registered: May-08 | dn is down is there a key change? |