Primer on what really is going on with your signals / ecms

 

Silver Member
Username: Psychmonster

Rhodium Member aint nuthin...

Post Number: 866
Registered: Jul-06
Ecm Info P&C...GOOD STUFF HERE

With every ECM there is always a fair bit of misinformation about regarding the "new" encryption techniques used, and how it may portend the death of FTA.

With the present difficulties, for instance, the following items of interest have been repeated around the net on various sites:

* This ECM is specifically targeted at FTA
* Multiple MAP call are being used
* A dynamic code is being used
* There is a new timer function

This ECM is specifically targeted at FTA

This is likely true! Card based hacks like plastic, card-sharing, and IKS (Internet Key Sharing, another form of card sharing) access video encryption differently than the emu in FTA firmware. Card solutions simply send encrypted VPID (video packets) to the descrambler chip where the included CW (control word) packets are sent right away to the CAM (conditional access module/card), the answer is sent back and then applied to the video packet. The actual CAM values, apart from definitions and order of the CW gathering commands (i.e., MAP calls) need not be known, as it is all done automatically when requests are sent to the card. FTA firmware on the other hand must know the precise CAM locations and thus order and routine of MAP calls, and this has to be patched into each bin; when this changes a new bin is required where relevant portions of the CAM are emulated.

Multiple MAP calls are being used

This is true, however this is nothing new either. Providers routinely use at least 4 or 5 MAP calls at any given time. MAP calls are intense arithmetic equations that request CWs from the CAM to be sent back to the descrambler. We now have 4e and 4d; there are others in play, but apparently these particular ones are the difficulties (i.e., CAM location unknown).

A dynamic code is being used

"Dynamic" implies changing according to some input. It sounds scary, like a mutating virus, lol. In actuality, "dynamic" is little different that "random" at the level of intense mathematics as the functions and outputs are extremely difficult or impossible to be predicted. By definition, control words are random numbers.

There is a new timer function

Each channel uses different CWs, and this is how now for instance some locals may be viewable and other pay channels remain scrambled. CWs change every few minutes, and this in itself is as secure as practically can be: even an NSA super-cryto computer could not solve an 8-byte algorithm in 2 minutes, lol. CWs have always changed this fast, and all TV providers, even cable, use the same system.

So what is going on?

Nothing radically new, likely. Coders are not crytologists, and even if they were, it would be senseless to attempt decryption on something that changes as quickly as CWs, as mentioned above. And neither can card data be read with any apparent ease (remember all the baloney a year ago about peeling the cards and reading with an electron microscope, hahahahaha, if you believed that one, well, I have some bog land you may be interested in....). Some CAM locations are known, some are not. ALL of the MAP calls CW answers are currently in the cards and are not changeable, this requires a card swap. What can be changed are the specific MAP calls and their order. These can be read and defined, and even used for card hacking (why IKS is up and running), but FTA is a different story, as mentioned.

Coders must be given specific CAM locations which can be patched into or emulated for FTA binary files. Saying a bin has the "full emu" is ridiculous, as it can't by sheer size limitations, as it would have to run in non-decompressed format. What is needed is a MAP map, as it were, lol. Or at least someone to give directions, like a navigator.

Most of this information is purchased rather than hacked, at least initially. When a group says they have the "full emu", what should be understood is that they have access to the information, and it may be purchased as a service over a period of time. This is rather like calling up customer service plan: you call to say your widget isn't working, and being told to press buttons 1, 2, 3, then A, B, C in that order, you do, it works, but you have no idea why. It seems Viewsat had an arrangement like this after MAP57, they bought a 1 year plan, lol. Others can purchase information on a one-off basis. Or once a bin is released, the bin can be dumped and reverse engineered for patching to different boxes, but this takes a little extra time.

DN PID 0106 keys... and Bev PID 0907

DN has introduced a new secondary key code and provider PID 0106...the usual main PID (Provider ID) is 0101...normally we change the keys and autoroll to keys 0101, which we must ALWAYS still keep updated and current...but with this new PID (intoduced originally 22 October) we cannot change these keys, and the autoroll doesn't input them, so a NEW bin is required whenever DN changes the keys in PID 0106...The new PID can be used on any specific channels that DN want to , so in many cases DN will input them on the PPV's, adult channels,and international channels..so that why U can get the regular channels with the older bins, but need a new bin for the channels that DN uses the new PID 0106 keys now...

The same thing applies to Bev PID 0907 secondary keys..****ually main active Bev keys are 0901, NOT 0907...but Bev can use either or both sets of keys 0901 or 0907....just like DN can with main active keys 0101 and secondary new 0106 keys now..ON ANY CHANNNELS THEY CHOOSE, WHENEVER THEY CHOOSE..OR ALL CHANNELS, IF THEY WISH..

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, U CAN NOT MANUALLY INPUT THESE SECONDARY DN 0106 AND BEV 0907 KEYS MANUALLY INTO FTA RECEIVERS..AND REQUIRE NEW FIXES...BUT SHOULD GET SOME CHANNELS UNLESS THE SECONDARY KEYS ARE APPLIED TO ALL CHANNELS...


DigiCipher 2 is General Instrument's proprietary video distribution system. DCII is based upon MPEG-2. A 4DTV satellite receiver is required to decode DCII channels. In North America, most digital cable programming is accessed with DigiCipher 2-based set-top boxes.
PowerVu is another popular digital encryption technology used for non-residential usage. PowerVu was developed by Scientific Atlanta. Other commercial digital encryption systems are Irdeto (by Irdeto Access), Nagravision (by Kudelski), Viaccess (by France Telecom), and Wegener.
In the United States, both DirecTV and Dish Network direct broadcast satellite systems use digital encryption standards for controlling access to programming. DirecTV uses VideoGuard, a system designed by NDS. DirecTV has been cracked in the past, which led to an abundance of cracked smartcards being available on the black market. However, a switch to a stronger form of smart card (the P4 card) wiped out DirectTV piracy soon after it was introduced. Since then, no public cracks have become available. Dish Network uses Nagravision (1 and 2) encryption.
In Canada, both Bell ExpressVu and Star Choice DBS systems use digital encryption standards. Bell ExpressVu, like Dish Network, uses Nagravision for encryption. Star Choice uses a DigiCipher 2-based system very similar to that of 4DTV large dish satellite systems
 

Gold Member
Username: Doreenakadj

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1793
Registered: Dec-06
Okie Dokie then..... Now we know the secret to all this stuff.... LOL

(ok I confess you lost me half way through it)>>> Blondie moment... oops.... sorry

I am like most here and we are wondering WILL FTA LIVE? Or is it going to be like King bubbelhead predicts "The end is near for FTA"

Btw I heard a rumor somewhere that P4 cards may be able to get cracked with the new N3 is this possible or just a dream?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Nydas

Post Number: 11380
Registered: Jun-06
Psycho - Good post.

Anything on "Why Nagravision 3" could take much longer to hack?"
 

Silver Member
Username: Psychmonster

Rhodium Member aint nuthin...

Post Number: 867
Registered: Jul-06
Nagra 3 is being compared to the P4 card that Direct Tv uses...so far after 2 years in some markets in Europe, they are still dark...this may be a tough nut to crack...here is a P&C letter from over there on Nag 3
"Nagra 3 is still strong and without opening in Europe
The German chain "Premiere" also is transferred to Nagravision 3.

For that they still doubt the "darkness" of the pirate tv in Europe there are more news of Nagra 3 and the success that apparently it has had.

It seems that Nagra 3 is spending all the tests of the hacker and coders that do not find solutions for the time being, and Nagra 3 starts being adopted as other chains and providers of television route satellite in Europe.The chain deprived by satellite Premiere also happens to Nagra 3 (earlier it was using Betacrypt and then Nagra 2), and after this one the Pole Cyfrowy Polsat will continue the same way. Nagra 3 is demonstrating to be quite solid, since it takes almost two years working in the Portuguese Tv Cabo without being hacked, in spite of the rumours that they indicate the opposite, and from December 4 Bonus works in the Digital system with the same result, there is no solution for the time being.
And is it necessary to doubt, if it takes almost two years and the Nagra 3 does not open to itself in tv end, For which to believe the rumours now of that they are on the verge of doing it?. Anyway, two years it is a lot of time, so that the piracy could survive with teams that do not sell waiting in stores and also waiting for a miracle of a coder to which it would be necessary to pay to him, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars for the hack, if it achieves it.
Digitalis, which from beginnings of this December only uses the new system of encryption of the Swiss company of Kuldelsky, has left to "dark" the channels that could be seen of fraudulent form with Nagra 2.
After the process realized in two platforms route satellite "Iberian", now it touches him the shift to the German Premiere, in fact, who is already realizing for some weeks tests under the new format of Nagravision 3. The Pole Cyfrowy Polsat will follow Premiere also.
For the time being they are only rumours those that they say that Nagra3 it is already opened. This way it is like he promises to be in diversity of Forums of Europe, specializing in the topic. After the tests realized with the new review of Nagra, the tests have already realized with the Channel Sport TV 1 and 2. The Cardsharing is being implemented and supported by those Recipients of Satellite with connection Ethernet, nevertheless also it is possible to realize it by means of Captured in the PC.
These tests that are contributed from Europe, demonstrate fully that Nagravision 3 has not been broken, that it is seen for cardsharing and not for no type of emulation that does not exist for the time being.
The struggle against the piracy in the United States and Canada, it might win at once and for all (if Nagra 3 continues without breaking) with a change of cards of massive form, which was initiated by tv end in Europe and now by Digital Bonus and the German platform Premiere.
The tests realized by Polsat and now Premiere, give to Kudelski a supremacy with Nagra 3, facing the imminent future that rethinks now. If everything is fine, André Kudelski might "clean" his disastrous image because of the mistake of Nagra 2, y to have a new strong position, opposite to proposed business piece of news of other satellite providers.
The question is not if the system will be implemented in USA, because it will be like that with safety. The question is when it will be implemented."
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jjgee

Palatine, IL USA

Post Number: 97
Registered: Apr-08
I see no dates on any of this. How old are these statements that are C&P from somewhere?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jasoradicalcool

Toronto Canada

Post Number: 36
Registered: Feb-08
what is the satalite for direct tv??
 

Gold Member
Username: Doreenakadj

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1795
Registered: Dec-06
wondering about what we talked about recently psychmonster... let me know if you received any emails lately
 

Silver Member
Username: Psychmonster

Rhodium Member aint nuthin...

Post Number: 868
Registered: Jul-06
jjgee...ARE YOU THAT DUMB?....we are talking Nag 3....it has not even arrived in the USA yet...we are talking 3-5 months in the future..it is already happening in Europe...get a clue...this is what will happen soon herein the USA,,,,do I need to spell out a date....this is real time C&P
 

Silver Member
Username: Psychmonster

Rhodium Member aint nuthin...

Post Number: 870
Registered: Jul-06
doreen...on call tonight...sending a pm tomorrow
 

Silver Member
Username: Psychmonster

Rhodium Member aint nuthin...

Post Number: 871
Registered: Jul-06
jason zuzuki..go to lyngsat...it can't be hacked ..why go there?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jasoradicalcool

Toronto Canada

Post Number: 37
Registered: Feb-08
thank im just trying
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jasoradicalcool

Toronto Canada

Post Number: 39
Registered: Feb-08
thanks im just wondering
 

Bronze Member
Username: Fattay

Post Number: 53
Registered: Jan-07
HD Recevier prices should fall through the floor,thats alot of mechandise to be setting on, but like gas, it will only be a few pennys, and maybe we can get good scrap metal prices!
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