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| First off let me say that I am very grateful for the good advice that is posted here. I especially owe a big thanks to DEREK. He has helped me hook up my home theatre with his good info.I've followed his advise to Susan especially. Here is the PROBLEM ! I can't get my Sony DVP NS 755v dvd /cd player to play back Multichannel SACD like Pink Floyd's DSOTM or Billy Joels Stranger and other SACD'S in 5.1 channel. I get stereo only. I've been all through the menu, have digital optic out assigned right, hooked up all the 5.1 analog jacks to the Pioneer VSX-912D receiver ok. Get all formats DTS and Dolby digital DVD movies fine regular cd's play digital through all the speakers. NO SACD MULTI. I also noticed that the A/V receiver seems to be locked into 7.1 mode whenever I switch to receivers DVD selection. I've tried to change the quick set up to 5.1 speakers, no deal when it ask How many speakers ? I enter 5.1. it blinks, I enter, it goes back to 7.1 Speakers. Frustrating, Can Anyone offer any possible solutions. Pioneer says take the receiver in for adjustment. Only after I've exhausted all other ways to fix this problem. I think the Problems are probably in the settings menus somewhere. I just can't seem to find it though. HELP ! |
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| Larry, I don't believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you can play SACD through the digital optic option. I am not familar with either machine, but I would think that you need to connect the 2 machines with 6 RCA cables from the audio out of the SONY to the PRE INS of the PIONEER. The SACD would then be heard on the receivers 6 channel selection. What you are probably hearing in your current config is the CD layer of the SACD with the receiver doing the DAC. Keep on persisting with it. It is worth it!!!! |
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| Glenn, You are correct the SACD cd's are analog signals. I can get them playing in stereo or as you say single layer,trouble is the multichannel hybrid SACD's dont play on all 6 speakers ( surround sound ). I do have them hooked up the way you suggested. My guess somewhere in the DVD player menu it should open up the SACD multichannel capability. Any Suggestions as to what the settings on the DVD player might be ? I'm off to work, I'll respond later on this morning, if need be. Thanks. |
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Derek | You also might have to assign the multi-channel input to the DVD source button. It's the same thing that you would do to activate a digital input. If you are sure that you have a multi-channel SACD, check the Sony for its SACD settings. You may be able to choose the track to send to the analog-out jacks. Then, there is probably a menu item or button on the front of the Pioneer that says 6-Channel Direct. With that you should be in business. Hope that helps. |
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| I just bought a Denon DVD 2900. On the DVD player setup menu is a screen for Audio Output. Under that menu is a section for SACD audio out. I'd bet the Sony has a similar menu entry. Make sure the SACD out is set to multi channel. As stated above SACD Stereo or Multi channel out is analog only. IMHO stereo is better than multi. |
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Larry | Thanks for the input guys. I got everything working ok. I just RESET everything from all the menu's and adjusted 1 setting at a time. I'll tell ya what I do like about the receiver Pioneer 912D. I love the fact that it decodes the DVD-Audio CD's at 96/24 DAC and plays them multichannel also. A real bargain when your DVD player plays SACD too. Yes ( Fragile ) Dvd-Audio sounds amazing especially America and the Fish. I'm HAPPY ! |
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Anonymous | Larry, Are you kidding? . . . The only Pioneer receiver that has a capable of decoding DVD-Audio & SACD sound format is the Elite VSX-49TXi. |
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| Why in the hell the sacd format has to come out in 6 analog channel output instead of the optical or coaxial They say for copyrights reasons but to me its sound like another way to make money.I am so use to listen to Dolbly Surround or dts etc but analog! having quite a hard time getting use to it. But from my sources of audiophiles and of course having the right equipment analog is the way music suppose to be heard. Digital is fake compare to analog. Can someone give me fedback on this issue. |
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| Hi Guys, I'm new here but it sounds as though this is just the kind of group I've been looking for. In my ignorance, I just upgraded my DVD player to a Pioneer 565-A. I wanted to take advantage of the DVD-Audio discs that I've bought. Only after reading the manual do I learn that I need multi-channel analogue inputs on my receiver. Guess what? It doesn't have them. If anyone can help, my questions are as follows; 1. Am I better off than before (in terms of DVD-A 2-Channel stereo playback)? 2. Do I now need to upgrade my receiver too in order to take full advantage of my DVD-Audio discs (and what sort of price am I looking at for a entry level receiver with these inputs)? 3. If the answers to (1) and (2) are no and yes respectively, would somebody be able to point me in the direction of an extremely high building that is suitable for hurling oneself off? Thanks in advance to anybody that may be able to calm me down! Keith. |
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Derek | I have the 563 player but lets answer the questions in reverse. 2. For best results, you should get your hands on a receiver with 5.1-direct inputs. I have 3 receivers and the cheapest one, a Sherwood has 5.1 direct inputs an it only costs $90. I recommend you look at Onkyo or Denon (my other receivers) for a good $300-$500 receiver. 1. You COULD listen to you SACDs in Stereo (See your manual on setting SACD to "2-Channel Area") and let your receiver's Pro-Logic decoder up convert it to 5.1. All five speakers will play but you are not listening to the same mix as the real multichannel mix. 3. I wouldn't jump yet. What's your budget for a new receiver? Do you need component switching? Multi-zone switching? Two VCR tape loops? Hope this helps. |
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John A. | I think DVD-Audio and especially SACD formats are mostly devices for extracting more money for no benefit from people who already have good systems and nice collections of recordings. When CD came in, people went out and replaced their LPs with CDs. Sony-Phillips now want people to do that all over again, with SACD, even though the CD, they originally said, was "perfect sound that lasts forever". DTS is 96/24 5.1, just like the DVD-Audio mutichannel, except you probably already have it in your DVD-Video player, but it will not boost sales if everyone knows there is no difference. DVD-Audio discs can be great, but the chances are you can already play them with your existing equipment. SACD is even worse, and an attempt to control the market for discs as well as players. Perfect analogue is indeed better, but you do not get anything more just by connecting the player to the receiver with analogue cables - there is a digital-to-analogue converter in there somewhere, and it doesn't matter whether it is in the player or the receiver. Load a Porsche on a truck and it only goes as fast as the truck. "SACD cd's are analog signals" No they are not. The player has the DAC, not the receiver, and there is a different way of coding the digital data on the disc. I personally think the main motive is like satellite encryption and DVD regionalization, to get consumers in a position where they have to pay for what they would otherwise get free. Keith's story is exactly what the manufacturers intended. "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you".... Having said all that, I learned some things from critics of this view on an audio thread on this forum What is meant by 'DVD-Audio' here? and I thank the people who disagreed with me there. |
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elitefan | Keith, I sounds like it's time for a receiver upgrade anyway because if yours doesn't have multichannel inputs it probably doesn't have dts or prologicII either. If you are on a tight budget J&R has the Onkyo601 refurb for $299.88. Another good choice is the Pioneer vsx912 or Elitevsx41. Look at this as an opportunity to make your system better. It's only money! |
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ruby barty | i have the pioneer vsx812. i was wondering why i caqnnot get any sound out of the speakers. i have it connected through coaxial. is that the wrong connection? thanks in advance |
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Derek | Do you have the coax jack asigned to the DVD input on the receiver? Is the receiver set to Auto of Coax for the DVD? |
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Anonymous | just my five cents worth,i have been watching this technology for a while now,and i believe that,yes there is a difference,whether you need to up grade or not is entirely up to you.now the 5.1 analog in put was around for some time for the sacd & dvd audio because optical and coax could not carry the signal from the player to the reciever due to limited bandwith.'firewire' is used to carry this extra bandwith,and it is said that it is a superior method of data transfer,this is yet to determine because very few players have this technology and there are usually in the 'highend' range.personally,i believe that 'music' should be two channel alone and not surround,but i'm still yet to experience a sacd & dvd audio setup.so iwould say watch the technology and wait for better prices,if it is worth it.. |
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Anonymous | I have the pioneer elite 55txi and the dv47ai dvd player that have the fire wire connection. The use of only one connection is very nice. No more mess of rca's in the back. So many advantages, there is not enough time or space to list them all here. As far as two channel vs. multi channel surround depends on the listener. I have many SACD's and DVD AUDIO'S and the multi channel surround is very fun to listen to and quality of the sound is unbeatable |
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| Could someone please recommend a receiver and speaker package to go with my 50 inch Toshiba Wide Screen? I've been considering the Denon 1604 and 1804, the Pioneer VSX 812 and VSX 912, and the Wharfedale MovieStar 60+ Series. I'm trying to keep the cost around $500.00. Thanks! |
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Anonymous | a few question on that pioneer setup,first off the bat is,the cost?i have been looking at that combo because that is the cheapest i've seen to date with firewire capabilities.when i checked, it was around 1050.00 for the 55txi and 650.00 for the dv47ai,is this still so?is there a big differnce in video with the unit using component video?also,is the 'macc' worth it(hope i have it right)or is it just another gimmick.is the firewire saceptable to interference from other cables?the reson for these questions,is, i had a bad experience with a player and it left me to wonder if we should give our money to these companies simply because of new features? i wouldn't chuck my whole system to buy something new.right now i have a pioneer bedroom system that i will later upgrade when i have the room to and not before,but that is just my point of view,what do you think? |