Need help finding bev 91 satelite!

 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 25
Registered: May-07
i have a quantum 3000 pansat 2500 clon diseq switch 2 dtv lnbs bin file 271t2 ive tried everything i seem to pick up a signal but says scrambled bad sig any help would be appreciated.
 

Silver Member
Username: Hardrockstriker

Post Number: 905
Registered: Apr-06
is your autoroll turned on for Bev (and working)?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 26
Registered: May-07
auto roll on on bev says scramble or bad channel keys are updated is there a site to help me position dish .or jason can you help me out please
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 27
Registered: May-07
key emu is all it has im guessing thats the auto roll its on
 

Silver Member
Username: Hardrockstriker

Post Number: 906
Registered: Apr-06
You can search this forum for tips on aiming your dish. I assumed it was aimed because you said that you're picking up a signal.

After dish is aimed, if your antenna settings are correct (lnb points to Bev sat) then all that you need are the correct keys or autoroll on. scan and watch tv.

you might have some problems with the dtv lnbs, though.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 28
Registered: May-07
i also have a a dish with triple lnb would that work
 

Platinum Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 10018
Registered: Jan-06
I highly do NOT recoomend using a triple LNB dish, as they are not easy to alihn and U most likely will NOT receive 3 different satellites, depending on WHICH triple LNB dish u have...if its a superdish, then OK, otherwise I would not use it...Its possible to use but not my choice , for sure...especially for a newbie to dish alignments..

BTW...U already have FREE DTV hacked with your Dreambox FTA, so U said, so why the need for a 3 LNB dish now and all the newbie questions about autoroll, dish alignment and basic FTA 101 questions...and the lack of dish and FTA knowlege suddenly?...setting up a DB is much more complicated than a clone 2500..1+1 does NOT = 2 here...
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 29
Registered: May-07
its for a canadian client i have first one want canadian channels personaly i love fta love dish hat bev gotta do it this is how i make my living so lk what type of lnbs work with bev 91
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 30
Registered: May-07
ok put triple dtv dish got signal and says waiting for picture
 

Platinum Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 10022
Registered: Jan-06
hey eave...how many sats are u getting with that phase 3 DTV triple LNB dish?....just curios...and they usually take quite awhile to align

and U will NOT get 82 or 119, unless u add
another LNB..

heres a little help...

The Phase III oval dish (FAQ)
All about the Phase 3 dish
(made for DTV, has 3 LNBs in same enclosure and built in multiswitch.)
YES, you CAN use this for your FTA setup to get 91 and 110 !

Advantages
1. You can add 2 LNBs and get 82 and 119 too on same dish.
2. Cheap or free from your DTV system.
3. Use only one wire and get 2 sats.
4. If u add 82 and 119, you'll use 3 ports on your diseq switch.. perfect to hook up an additonal bigger dish and a linear LNB and get birds like Intelsat 5 (T5) on your diseq empty port.

Connection
1. You need only 1 coax cable per receiver connected to the Phaze 3 dish, which is an advantage.
2. It doesnt matter which of the 4 ports you connect to. All 4 are the same in functionality. Your receiver will use the built in multiswitch to select one of the 3 sats. It does that via voltage change and 22khz tone signalling.

What this dish is for and how it was meant to work
1. This dish is for DirectTV. Was made to get the 101, 110 and 119 DTV sats.
2. Looking from behind the dish, the LNB are used like so:
.......left lnb = 119 sat
..middle lnb = 110 sat
.....right lnb = 101 sat
3. The multiswitch inside uses 22khz tone that is sent by your receiver to switch between 2 sats (just like any other 22khz switch). You'll have to set that up in your Pansat receiver.
4. 2 sats?? Yes! The multiswitch inside also serves as a combiner to combine signal from 110 and 119. So the 22khz will switch between the signal of 110 and 119 combined and the signal of 101

How the built in combiner works
1. The combiner takes TPs 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 28, 30 and 32 from the middle LNB (110) and all the rest of the 32 TPs of the left LNB (119). You cannot change what TPs are combined... Covering middle LNB with foil wont work, cutting traces on the pcb wont work.
2. This is OK for DTV because DTV only has 3 TP's on DTV's 110 (28, 30 and 32) and they are different from the TPs on DTV's 119. (a tp is a frequency band on which up to 14 channels are transmitted). So combining different frequencies on the same wire, works fine. But it will affect your FTA setup.

How the built in combiner affects your pansat setup
1. You can use the Phaze 3 dish to get the 91 (bev) and the 110 (dn) satellites.
2. For that you point the dish to 101 (middle lnb), and adjust the skew. Now the left LNB picks up 110 (looking from behind the dish) and the right LNB picks up 91.
3. The combiner will combine TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 101 DTV sat with the rest of the TPs of the 110 DN sat. This means you will not be able to get TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 110 sat. but read on to see what your're missing.

What channels will i be missing on my Pansat
1. You will be missing only some local channels. (ABC,CBS..etc..), which may or may not be local to you. Thats it !
2. To see what is missing you go to lyngsat and check to see whats on TP 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 on DN's 110 sat.
4. You will see that ALL but 2 of these TPs are of BEAM type... which means you wouldnt have been able to get them ANYWAYS, Unless you are in the area indicated for that particular beam.
5. The 2 conus (available nationwide) tps that you'll be missing are TP 12 and TP 14. Whats on it? Only locals from Lexington, Knoxville, Jackson and Denver.


What you should be pointing it to, to get 91 and 110
Pansat setup:
Assuming you will point this dish to 101 (middle LNB to 101), you will be able to get 91 and 110 on the 2 outside LNBs WITH proper SKEW, and thats what u want do to if you gonna use it with your Pansat. The middle LNB is useless for Pansat setups on Phase 3 dish as it will be pointed to DTV's 101 sat. Also covering this lnb with anything won't help to give u back those locals that you'll be missing.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 101 sat. For skew see below.

DTV setup
If you set the dish like above, it will not work for DTV. If you want it to work for DTV you point it to 110 (middle lnb gets 110) and the outer will get 101 and 119.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 110 sat. For skew see below. Or you can use your DTV receiver, enter your zip code and it will give you all settings.

U can't use the Phase 3 dish for DTV and Pansat at the same time because you're pointing to different sats.

How to calculate and use Skew:
Skew= vertical offset (twist) in degrees from the vertical (from the 90 degrees mark on your dish)
1. Go to Satellite Nut page
2. Enter your location info.
3. Calculate skew for the 2 outter satellites on your dish (for the pansat setup on Phaze3 that would be 91 and 119)
4. Add them toghether and divide by 2
5. U get the skew number. (Disregard the minus sign if its negative)

To use SKEW:
You must ensure that the top of the mast is perfectly plum. Best thing is to use an eye round level (home depot,tools section - $3) that u put right on top of the mast. You do that BEFORE you even put the dish on the mast.

If you are on the EAST coast, skew = counter-clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set your dish to 90 minus the skew number
If you are on the WEST coast, skew = clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set dish to 90 plus the skew number

Receiver setup
No diseq switch is needed, only one wire needs to be connected to the Phase 3
91: 22khz OFF, Diseq - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)
110: 22khz ON, Diseq - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)

Can i also get 119 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the LEFT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiseqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 119 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #2, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, Diseq #1
110: 22khz ON, Diseq #1
119: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), Diseq #2

Can i also get 82 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the RIGHT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiseqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 82 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #3, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, Diseq #1
110: 22khz ON, Diseq #1
82: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), Diseq #3

Satellite Finders (Look Angle Calculators)
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Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 31
Registered: May-07
lk thanks for youre help i picked up 91 its the only one i have set in reciever now im curious to try to see what else it picks up i also have a dp plus antenna i tried to use for dish but signals came in and out i tried it connected str8 to reciever.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 10030
Registered: Jan-06
YES, you CAN use this for your FTA setup to get 91 and 110 !
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 35
Registered: May-07
incredible i gotta say you are very wise i am now picking up 110 119 91 82 doe you have any ideas i also have 3 lnbs dtv singles do you have any picks showing bracket set ups and ho to use brackets and lnb to to exsisting dish
 

Bronze Member
Username: Techme

MIAMI, FL USA

Post Number: 36
Registered: May-07
in youre opinion are clones better than actual recievers for some reason this quantum 3000 reciever
with 293t bin works awsom on autoroll doesnt reset or glitch like other having problems with reciever reseting or glitching i also have a pansat 3000 with bin but autoroll of cause it keeps restarting and i have a viewsat that autoroll is off i also have another dreambox its a 500 works great ive had it run ning a year with same bin autorolls great im trying to figure out if i can add the same linux this reciever uses on another but i need to understand if its possible to add a meem chip on an fta.
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