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Truth or Theory ??

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I have spoken many times about the big picture and what I see. Many times I have called it right on the money. Other times I haven't, but thru it all I was testing, pushing, mediating, and making progress occur faster than it would have, or maybe should have.
If I hadn't been pushing, and pushing, and pushing, maybe there wouldn't be so much greed visible today. My theory has always been "Feed the machine". Create a frenzy of free tv-er's that no smart company could turn down, and then watch those companies poor more money into R&D to bring us what we want. It all sounded good on paper, and because of my "Korean Theory" posted way back when, the contacts & connections were easy to make in Korea and elsewhere. I fell victim to my own righteous crusade to bring the people what they wanted.. I believed fervently that it would all happen this way too.

This all worked out FAR too well, and before I knew it, I was being sent units to test & review (hype, or whatever else you want to call it) by most major manufacturers. The ones who didn't send me units to test were the established companies that needed no help and relied on their stellar support and premium price to sustain them thru tuff times should their be any. I didn't see that then. I was caught up in all the glory and attention and the thought that my plan to help speed progress would work. To an extent it has worked too well. The Koreans have become much more aggressive than I anticipated as GREED has taken root and grown. I fear I've been feeding my trusty dog with fresh red meat everyday and NOW he is eyeing ME for dinner. I've altered this community with fevered sales pitching touting the advancements they've shown me, and that have come to be (for the most part). For this I'm truly sorry. I was blind but now I see.

Though my feeble testing skills are limited (Free Tver here), I trudged on regardless of my qualifications or lack thereof. My testing and reviews of all of these units have been truthful and fairly thorough tho, even going so far on the units I REALLY liked to solicit outside help in testing. Thank you guys (you know who you are), for helping me test, but now the hobby has changed, and for the worse I fear. Gone are the days of doing this stuff your self. Gone is the freeware that predicated this hobby's popularity. Now the popularity lies in the coders that produce our fixes, or bring us our fresh red meat. We (I helped) have created a bloodthirsty monster. One that will stop at nothing to get to the fresh red meat we've dangled for too long. I helped feed this monster. I probably intervened in way too many deals and passed way too much info. In my zeal to give the community what I thought they wanted, the monster grew. Corporations enlisted coders and spokesmen to help move their wares, promising support and releases, and giving us what we thought we wanted. I have come to know many secrets about all of this, and how it works. I see now that I have been part of the problem. The publicity leads to sales, sales leads to competition, competition has led to lies and even out & out wars. I can no longer be part of this. My eyes have been pried open to see the deceit and corruption of these companies and dealers. Coo*lsat, Pansat, Fortec, Viewsat and others were in a race to solve N2 thus continuing this frenzied market. Even tho they had been working on it, they lacked common knowledge that our own American coders possess. This was my in with them. I knew coders here. I worked silently in the background to assist their cause.
I even went out west to meet with the distributors of the most popular of the FREE Tver units. I was received in high fashion and was wined and dined and promised the moon.

They showed me many things, but NOT N2! Work was being done on it and much had been figured out about it,, but it was not till I got back that details of a small break through were known. An Achilles heel had been discovered, a weak spot found, and I was the first to review the Rom 101 hack Add to this the fact that Dicknetwork was running a watered down version of N2 for their older boxes and I knew we were on to something.

It was NOT Korea that figured it out, but some good old American and European coders.
Spain had figured out an exploit of D+ (their pay provider) and it was being leaked. Through the ingenuity of good old American coders, they were able to adapt the exploit of European N2 to first the DVB cards and then the awesomely flexible Dream Box.
Is this a true N2 hack? No, but it was enough to excite the manufacturers and fuel the race for a North American release of this temporary N2 fix.

Keys were leaked. They could have only come from one place, a Rom101 dump. Those keys were put into a de-cryptor tool, and released a few days later. It became simple to get Nagra2 decoding up and running for nearly any FTA box. CMD numbers had to be switched around, but once the decryption method became public for CMDs $07 and $04, and the Nag2 keys leaked to actually decrypt those commands, it was a simple matter of "fixing" the existing Nagra1 FTA code base. I may have been instrumental in getting certain manufacturers this information and help. (Feeding the Machine AGAIN).

BIG corporations began plotting for market supremacy. They started posturing in this market and their greed became obvious. Thru the advent of spokesmen, site wars, "kill" releases etc. they've shown us their greed. Their hunger for our greenbacks is only surpassed by our hunger for fresh red meat (TV) My apologies to the true testers out there that tried to tell me what was going on, yet I didn't see. My apologies to the community at large for a little too much pushing and prodding to "Feed the Machine". Greed is the root of evil here and greed has led to some disgusting business tactics. Television is the most widely used & revered commodity there is. Entertainment has become tantamount to end users and BIG corporations alike. "Send us you money and we will give you TV!" Where is the hobby or the triumph of knowledge in that? I am sickened by the acts of this community and by my own part in the grand scheme of things. I have been used and discarded, but I will not go without saying my piece. Trust no one person to deliver the news. His views may be clouded by those smarter than he. Inform yourself so you may be armed against the deceit so prevalent in this hobby today. Read until you fully understand the necessities of what you are trying to accomplish. If this is too overwhelming for you to take to task, then sub to your local provider. Whatever your choice may be, stick to it and work together as a community. The site wars and corporate bashing must stop. Companies are protecting their intellectual rights and will be ruthless about it. Make no mistake about that. They will stop at nothing to get you money. I was asked to announce a warranty deal from Pansat. I was asked to say nothing of the clone kill as well when the N2 "fix" was released. I could NOT comply with one of these so I am banished I warned everyone of the impending clone kill, but had no clue of the malicious code and how devastating it would be to OEM units as well. In preliminary testing I was quick to say "if your unit died, it was a clone" Obviously I was wrong. Again after immediate testing of failed OEM units, I surmised and passed info stating it was power supply problems, only to find out later that most of the TSOP had been erased. Again my zeal to try to provide answers was somewhat misleading, and even misunderstood due to me poorly wording a post about power supplies. This in and by itself , was an innocent, honest mistake, but the corporate knee jerk reaction following, and the prevalent site wars has left me reeling from all of the discourse in this community. Greed has never been so prevalent and I have never been so ashamed. Dicknetwork will surely put an end to this soon and maybe we will get back to true testing. I guess what I'm trying to say, is I am guilty of pushing us to this point. I have fed the machine too much too often. If you must crucify someone it should be ME! Stop the fighting, stop the site wars. Return to a community of testing PLEASE! I will no longer be their patsy. I will no longer post and hype their products. As you can see, my number of posts and passing of info has slowed. I no longer wish to be part of the "Feed the Machine" mentality. I will gladly relinquish my list of contacts and responsibilities to someone better suited for the task of reporter. I have failed you all. Crucify ME and move on... Please..

Special thanks to fz43 at dss-newbies for his analogy of the FTA "fix"

I have never taken money for reviews or even for my posts concerning manufacturers.

Be aware and arm yourself with knowlege before you purchase FTA or any other dealer driven solution.
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It appears TDG and BL have had a falling out...I don't trust anyone anymore..especially either one of these guys..TDG could be CYA and rolling over next..

 

a mex that needs help
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dont give up

you can make the diference

thanks
 

Told Yeah..
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It was NOT Korea that figured it out, but some good old American and European coders.
Spain had figured out an exploit of D+ (their pay provider) and it was being leaked. Through the ingenuity of good old American coders, they were able to adapt the exploit of European N2 to first the DVB cards and then the awesomely flexible Dream Box


Hmm I remember a dude saying this and LK you said it was the Koreans and C00lsat first.. he told you that u where WRONG! but you got all ben outta shape and starting bashing him... Looks like he was right LK ..
 

LK
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Maybe I was right,and maybe I was wrong...TDG is NOT gospel and certainly has lost all credibility along with BL...and If I was wrong (which I have been many times in my life), I am human and make mistakes..I certainly never bashed anyone for a difference in opinion..

"looks looks he was right"...so whats your point?...who cares who was right or wrong...quit living the past and be concerned about the future and present..
 

Anonymous
 
LK can you help me? I have a Cool*sat Pro 4000

I can not get all the channels in. Can you please give me instructions on how I can get both 110/119 at once and what setting neet to be in place...what channel guide should i use for both dishnet and bev?

Thanks.
I am from Ottawa and have one dish with 2 lnbs (110/119) and one receiver.
 

LK
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stick to the thread subject...post in the cool*sat thread,not here!..common sense!...do U go to a Football game and talk about car racing...
 

Anonymous
 
thanks for your help!
 

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Username: Punjavi_doo

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that first post was the longest fucking post I have ever red

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but its good to now the type of scoundrels we're dealing with

 

sabre tooth
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did you hear about the man with 5 peenis's
his friends said his pants fit him like a glove
cheer up lk things could be worse sure enough I cheered up and things got worse.





hang in.
 

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Username: Jdq

Post Number: 38
Registered: Apr-05
All as I know LK is that you were a huge help for me ,thanx and dont worry about that crap ,,like you said look to the future


and fu8k all the other schmoos
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