DirectTV dish with a Dish Network receiver

 

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Hey. I was wondering if it is possible to use a Dish Network receiver with a DirectTV dish? I moved into a new house where there is already a DirectTV dish hooked up, and I have a Dish Network receiver...will that work? I know some adjustments will need to be made to the antennae..but have no idea what those are. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!! You can email me at Frito2225@yahoo.com Thanks so much!!
 

New member
Username: Brother_love

NEW YORKUSA

Post Number: 2
Registered: Jan-06
Iam using a Direct tv dish on my lifetime
Ultra and i get dish.net and baby bell.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 90
Registered: Jan-06
Yes the DTV and DN roof dish are intercghngeable and can be used with wither a DTV or DN or even a FTA receiver..I have subscribed to both DN and DTV in the past and always used the same DTV dish..

if its a triple LNB oval phase 3 DTV dish, U might have some problems getting both the 110 and 119 and will gave to strap on another LNB..
 

Anonymous
 
I forgot to mention that I AM Canadian. Man are you screwed up.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 101
Registered: Jan-06
U can be from Canada and still "test" DN..
 

ChrisFurdi
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I had Direct Tv until march 2004 and than it went Bye Bye... Now I have a dish Network receiver, I have conected the cable from dish but the Q is just 20%. I have tried re-pozitionong the antenna but nothing... What am I doing wrong?
 

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Username: Lklives

Post Number: 192
Registered: Jan-06
U are NOT re-positioning the "antenna" correctly..
 

PaulPANSAT
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DONT KILL THE NEWBIE!!!
I have an issue that you may be able to help me with... I am new to Dish Network and just bought a Pansat 2700A receiver.
I had the DN guys come out and wire my house...
I dont know what it looks like on the roof, but they wired my house like this.
I have a main cable coming into Family Room from the dish to a splitter. That splitter is connected to 2 coax cables to the back of the receiver slots 1 and 2.
I am assuming 1 is the main receiver and the 2 is the one running upstairs to my master bedroom.
This is so I can use DVR on both Tvs....
I also have another room with a receiver that has the same setup which runs to a 4th room.
So here is my issue.
I want to connect the Pansat to the Family room TV.... When I connect it to the main cable that comes into that room, I have no problems at all, the pansat works i get my channels and its all good.
But if I decide to put the main cable back on the splitter and run 1 of the cables to the Pansat and the other to the receiver, I will lose my signal or my channels will come in and out and freeze.

So, my assumption is that I need to have a dedicated cable coming directly from the dish to the Pansat without any splitters;?
If you have any other ideas on how to make it work, please let me know.

If that is the case, it brings me to my next question, I have a Directv dish on my roof(dont know model) but the house is still wired for it. Can I use that dish? I know I will have to change the position of the antenna, but will I have to change the LNB?

Any help would be appreciated.
 

nuBies
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Does anyone know if you have a DirectTV dish reflector and connect it with a Dishnet Pro LNB, will it works. I don't have any Dishnet LNB to try it out. Just want to know before buying a dishnet LNB.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 282
Registered: Jan-06
nubies...yes that'll work...Dish Pro (DP) LNB's work well with DirecTV dishes..
 

nuBies
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thanks LK, that would save some cost of getting it setup to get 110 & 119 for each receiver. 2 of my relatives currently got DirectTV Dish on their roof and they wanted to have it setup to get Dish signal. Instead of buying the whole complete dishnet system, I can just buy 2 Dish Pro LNB and a Y connector to replace the DTV lnb. Again, thanks.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 289
Registered: Jan-06
IF U are talking about using the triple LNB phase 3 oval dish from DTV..its's a pain!

The Phase III oval dish (FAQ)
All about the Phase 3 dish
(made for DTV, has 3 LNBs in same enclosure and built in multiswitch.)
YES, you CAN use this for your FTA setup to get 91 and 110 !

Advantages
1. You can add 2 LNBs and get 82 and 119 too on same dish.
2. Cheap or free from your DTV system.
3. Use only one wire and get 2 sats.
4. If u add 82 and 119, you'll use 3 ports on your diseq switch.. perfect to hook up an additonal bigger dish and a linear LNB and get birds like Intelsat 5 (T5) on your diseq empty port.

Connection
1. You need only 1 coax cable per receiver connected to the Phaze 3 dish, which is an advantage.
2. It doesnt matter which of the 4 ports you connect to. All 4 are the same in functionality. Your receiver will use the built in multiswitch to select one of the 3 sats. It does that via voltage change and 22khz tone signalling.

What this dish is for and how it was meant to work
1. This dish is for DirectTV. Was made to get the 101, 110 and 119 DTV sats.
2. Looking from behind the dish, the LNB are used like so:
.......left lnb = 119 sat
..middle lnb = 110 sat
.....right lnb = 101 sat
3. The multiswitch inside uses 22khz tone that is sent by your receiver to switch between 2 sats (just like any other 22khz switch). You'll have to set that up in your Pansat receiver.
4. 2 sats?? Yes! The multiswitch inside also serves as a combiner to combine signal from 110 and 119. So the 22khz will switch between the signal of 110 and 119 combined and the signal of 101

How the built in combiner works
1. The combiner takes TPs 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 28, 30 and 32 from the middle LNB (110) and all the rest of the 32 TPs of the left LNB (119). You cannot change what TPs are combined... Covering middle LNB with foil wont work, cutting traces on the pcb wont work.
2. This is OK for DTV because DTV only has 3 TP's on DTV's 110 (28, 30 and 32) and they are different from the TPs on DTV's 119. (a tp is a frequency band on which up to 14 channels are transmitted). So combining different frequencies on the same wire, works fine. But it will affect your FTA setup.

How the built in combiner affects your pansat setup
1. You can use the Phaze 3 dish to get the 91 (bev) and the 110 (dn) satellites.
2. For that you point the dish to 101 (middle lnb), and adjust the skew. Now the left LNB picks up 110 (looking from behind the dish) and the right LNB picks up 91.
3. The combiner will combine TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 101 DTV sat with the rest of the TPs of the 110 DN sat. This means you will not be able to get TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 110 sat. but read on to see what your're missing.

What channels will i be missing on my Pansat
1. You will be missing only some local channels. (ABC,CBS..etc..), which may or may not be local to you. Thats it !
2. To see what is missing you go to lyngsat and check to see whats on TP 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 on DN's 110 sat.
4. You will see that ALL but 2 of these TPs are of BEAM type... which means you wouldnt have been able to get them ANYWAYS, Unless you are in the area indicated for that particular beam.
5. The 2 conus (available nationwide) tps that you'll be missing are TP 12 and TP 14. Whats on it? Only locals from Lexington, Knoxville, Jackson and Denver.


What you should be pointing it to, to get 91 and 110
Pansat setup:
Assuming you will point this dish to 101 (middle LNB to 101), you will be able to get 91 and 110 on the 2 outside LNBs WITH proper SKEW, and thats what u want do to if you gonna use it with your Pansat. The middle LNB is useless for Pansat setups on Phase 3 dish as it will be pointed to DTV's 101 sat. Also covering this lnb with anything won't help to give u back those locals that you'll be missing.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 101 sat. For skew see below.

DTV setup
If you set the dish like above, it will not work for DTV. If you want it to work for DTV you point it to 110 (middle lnb gets 110) and the outer will get 101 and 119.
To get the azimuth and elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 110 sat. For skew see below. Or you can use your DTV receiver, enter your zip code and it will give you all settings.

U can't use the Phase 3 dish for DTV and Pansat at the same time because you're pointing to different sats.

How to calculate and use Skew:
Skew= vertical offset (twist) in degrees from the vertical (from the 90 degrees mark on your dish)
1. Go to Satellite Nut page
2. Enter your location info.
3. Calculate skew for the 2 outter satellites on your dish (for the pansat setup on Phaze3 that would be 91 and 119)
4. Add them toghether and divide by 2
5. U get the skew number. (Disregard the minus sign if its negative)

To use SKEW:
You must ensure that the top of the mast is perfectly plum. Best thing is to use an eye round level (home depot,tools section - $3) that u put right on top of the mast. You do that BEFORE you even put the dish on the mast.

If you are on the EAST coast, skew = counter-clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set your dish to 90 minus the skew number
If you are on the WEST coast, skew = clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set dish to 90 plus the skew number

Receiver setup
No diseq switch is needed, only one wire needs to be connected to the Phase 3
91: 22khz OFF, Diseq - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)
110: 22khz ON, Diseq - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)

Can i also get 119 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the LEFT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiseqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 119 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #2, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, Diseq #1
110: 22khz ON, Diseq #1
119: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), Diseq #2

Can i also get 82 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the RIGHT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiseqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 82 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #3, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, Diseq #1
110: 22khz ON, Diseq #1
82: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), Diseq #3




 

JD43
Unregistered guest
Can anyone answer this question please.
I just bought a second receiver. Want to put in another room.
Whats involved in this.
Can I just split the cable before going into either receiver or what do I have to do.
Sorry for my ignorance, fairly new at this but this site has been very helpful.
Thx
 

my-2-centz
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JD43...you cannot split the cable. If your lnb has only one connection, then you're stuck with just one. Each connection per receiver.
 

Beck
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I am trying to receive DirecTV in additional rooms ( without additional receivers ). I have the dish cable coming to my other room, but when hooking it to the TV ( without their receiver ) I don't receive anything. Not even local channels. Is this normal ? Aren't they still broadcasting analog which would allow my TV to hook to the dish cable ? How can I make this happen w/out additional receivers ?

Thanx guys.
 

my2cents
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gotta have receiver Beck. In general, your receiver decodes signal then send it to your TV. Your TV itself doesn't have that function of doing that. Does that make sense.
 

Beck
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Thanx my2cents. It does make sense. What I don't understand is what does the law that asks all provider to still broadcast on analog mean. As far as I know analog transmittion should be easily received. So I'm not clear on how exactly I can get this analog transmittion today. Is that only by installing an antenna and getting the local channels from the local stations or is this data also is transfered via the sattelite dish.
 

technision
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is it possible with a single lnb dish to get Dtv signal with the pansat 2500a and with another single lnb dish would i be able to get 110 im good with 119 thanx
 

technision
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is it possible with a single lnb dish to get Dtv signal with the pansat 2500a and with another single lnb dish would i be able to get 110 im good with 119 thanx
 

pepe smith
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dtv signal not compat with FTA or pansat
one DTV dish for 119 and one dtv dish for 110

 

technision
Unregistered guest
now for the the 110 do i aim it at the same position as the 119 or is the location else where and thanx for getting back at me
im lost on the 110 how to get it and how to program
 

Silver Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 329
Registered: Jan-06
110 is 9 degrees left of 119 , standing behind the dish
 

my2cents
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or an easier method for getting 110 when you've already got 119 setup.

raise the satellite arm up about 2-3 inches and move the arm about 2-3 inches to the left. by the way I'm on the east coast. that will do.
 

Anonymous
 
I alreay have Direct TV in my primary home, but I want to add Direct TV to a sencond home, in another state. If I insall a dish, receiver, etc., and use the same satellite, would I actually be able to add this new receiver in my second home as a mirror to save on monthly costs?
 

Silver Member
Username: Lklives

Post Number: 457
Registered: Jan-06
So U want to share a sub with someone..NO PROBLEM...it'll cost U an extra $5 per month per additional receiver/card (and an initial $20 per card additional)...The 2nd house probably won't get your locals (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX, local sports, etc) if its in another state, but all else will come in..Do Not plug phone lines into receiver or order PPV's via the remote at 2nd house..But both houses can order PPV's ONLINE at DTV.com (using the account owners login and password) and they will appear on all receivers/TV's at BOTH houses..U can probably get away with 8 receivers/cards total on your account (depends on the mood of the customer rep)..U can even do this at 3 or 4 houses and even in other states or Canada or Mexico...split it up and all share the bill monthly..Its called sharing a SUBscription and many people do this with the best premium DTV package ..DTV cannot tell,except by someone plugging in phone lines..
 

Anonymous
 
Thanks LK !!!
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