NAD T973 Price Check
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 458 Registered: Dec-05 | Hi guys - I know the system is dated and replaced with the 975, but afaik the only difference is in the cooling system. Although there may be more, but "specs" wise the two systems deliver the same punch. I have recently found a demo model - so technically "new" but somewhat out of the box yet fully functional (tested) T973. I can trial it and intend to and will be using an old HK 635 with the pre-outs. The store is asking 1200$ CDN all-in. I have looked around and while there are less expensive units out there, they are: A: Hard to come by where I live. B: Almost as expensive when you incl tax, delivery, exchange rate, import etc. There is no warranty other than the 90 day store warranty and apparently no avail warranty for purchase. Of course I am suppose to be blown away by the "MSRP" vs. the real price, but I would like some of your feedback on the price they are charging. Appreciate any returns, thanks in advance! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2762 Registered: Feb-07 | $1200 CDN all-in is good. There are refurbished ones on Spearit right now for 1200 USD. Once you figure in exchange, shipping, duties... etc.... well you get the point. |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 460 Registered: Dec-05 | Thanks Dave. That was along the same lines I was looking at too. Thanks for the input - I think I have a sale! Next piece... hmmm might as well make it a full 7.2... |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2772 Registered: Feb-07 | Good stuff Michael. Let us know what you think of the H/K NAD combo. I assume this is going to be used for predominantly home theatre use? |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 461 Registered: Dec-05 | Hi David - Yes - it is predominantly HT, although music is a close second. I have been away for a while so it has only just got hooked up - first impression is that audio quality is better than with the integrated power. It might be placebo, or convincing myself it was a good purchase, but the audio seems much more distinct. I cannot even begin to guess why power has that kind of effect but individual elements of the playback is just more clear and distinct. So I am pleased. The only drawback is I get a distinct low freq hum when it is turned on. It comes from all 7 channels, it is low and quite resonate. The volume does not change with the volume of the input source and you can still hear it of you turn all input off and just leave the NAD on. I am in the process of searching the forums now to see if someone has already found the source for this problem. It does not seem to be a grounding problem (at least externally) and if it is not a relatively easy fix I think I could tolerate it, for at normal listening volume it is not discernible and does not compete with the source. |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 462 Registered: Dec-05 | Well crap - it is a ground loop of some kind - unplugged the cable from the wall and voila - no humm... Now wtf.... |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 463 Registered: Dec-05 | "you can lift the Earth ground on either device at the line level" What does this mean exactly? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13363 Registered: Dec-04 | MC, you can go about this 2 ways. A ground lift is an adapter from 3 prongs on the power cord to just 2, lifting the ground. The other option is to use wire to bond the grounds of the pieces together, usually via a chassis screw. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2994 Registered: Feb-07 | Have you tried plugging it into a different outlet? One of my Brystons used to hum, but when I plugged it into a different outlet the hum stopped. Sometimes equipment in close proximity to eachother can cause a hum as well. You don't have the H/K sitting on top of the NAD, do you? |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 464 Registered: Dec-05 | They are on the same rack but not physically in contact. I have separated their outlets as much as possible with no effect. But the fact that the hum stops completely when I unplug the cable from the wall is fairly indicative... I am pretty uncomfortable with a three to two prong adapter, but a wire bond is probably cheaper than an RF isolator (http://www.jensen-transformers.com/iso_vid.html). Are their any safety aspects with a wire bond? They are after the surge protectors so as long as the strips do their bob their should be no problem.... right? |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 465 Registered: Dec-05 | No joy on the wire bond... chassis to chassis did not effect the hum... |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 466 Registered: Dec-05 | BTW it is absolutely brilliant with movies and music when the cable is unplugged! TV is great too when you are not listening for the hum...  |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13371 Registered: Dec-04 | MC, when you say cable, do you mean the coax for your television feed? If so, pull the wire to the outer connector of the coax. If handy, you can use the center screw of an electrical outlet as a ground, and go to the outer coax hex. |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 467 Registered: Dec-05 | OK kool - I'll give that a go too! I figured the chassis to chassis wasn't working because ea channel in the amp was a separate circuit (basically 7 mono blocks in one chassis that are not integrated...) |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 468 Registered: Dec-05 | And yes - coax from the wall before it gets to the tuner... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13375 Registered: Dec-04 | MC, the noise comes from mains power and ground, all of which should be common before the output stages. Cable right into the tuner?? No cable box? If there is a cable box, those are noisy as all get out. Pull the ground wire over there |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 469 Registered: Dec-05 | The cable box is where I tried it the first time Nuck - I didn't think to try it to the wall... I called the box the "tuner"... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13377 Registered: Dec-04 | We gotta work on our communication, LOL! |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 470 Registered: Dec-05 |  I had to give up for a while as the wife was quite insistent that I spend time with the family... :P Back at it after supper... |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 471 Registered: Dec-05 | Success! Crappy leftover 24 AWG speaker wire from my very first HTIB run from COAX outlet to chassis screw of AMP = NO HUM! Ah sweet sweet music... Now... does this create a path for a surge? I mean, the cable is grounded outside, this is what causes this effect in the first place, but now this wire bypasses all the protection gear... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13390 Registered: Dec-04 | The cable is not grounded anywhere useful, you have created one, no problem. It is safe, just make it look better. Well done, MC. |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 472 Registered: Dec-05 | Can hardly see it - I will try to post a pic... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13393 Registered: Dec-04 | I , personally, have no issue with the exposed functional conductor look, but 4 out of 5 wives disagree. |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 473 Registered: Dec-05 | As you can see by the morass of wires behind it, it is the least obtrusive in the set up...    |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 474 Registered: Dec-05 | Ugh - need to clean fingerprints... Now - what do we think of Bi-Amping with the HK? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 3012 Registered: Feb-07 | I wouldn't do it. My past experience with bi-amping with different components was unsuccessful. That looks like a Velo DPS you got there.... |
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Silver Member Username: PraetorianCanada Post Number: 475 Registered: Dec-05 | Yes - the 12B. Bought it a few years back with the first set up and it made it (survived) through the "evolution". It sounds great as far as I am concerned - it has stayed on "jazz" the whole time I have had it though! The only beef I have is the volume control has no readout - luckily the HK comes with an SPL meter in the remote but you can also "reset" it by running up and down the buttons... It gives me all the boom I want, and does not sound harsh, very "tight" if you get my meaning... It does shake the walls too when it is suppose too (like when Serenity is flying from the planet in the opening scene of the movie, or the Imperial Star Destroyers are descending on the poor hapless Rebels...). |
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