I have been talking to a guy who is willing to sell me his Bryston 3B power amp, from 1996, mint condition. It still comes with 9 years of warranty. The price is 600 plus shipping. Is this a good deal? I am thinking it will slam my NAD C272 which of course I would sell if I were to go ahead with this. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I totally agree Stu. After listening to some stuff last weekend at my dealers, this is what my plan is.
For HT purposes, keep the NAD and what I have for HT only.
For Two Channel:
Rega Apollo Rega Mira 3 Rega R3's or Monitor Audio RS6's(Need to do more listening yet) Rega P3-24 Bryston 3B
I have the 3B, have the Apollo, ordered the Mira3. It will take a bit of time, as I am paying for my wedding that is coming up in June of this year, and am stacking money away for a new house this summer. But its starting to come together, and I will eventually have two separate systems for HT, and Music. All thanks to the great advice of this Forum over the last few months. Thanks.
lol Definitely Stryvn. The Mira 3 is in I just have to find time to get to my dealer to pick it up. Hopefully this weekend. Its waiting for me, but work has been nuts. The 3B will be hear Monday, at the lastest Tuesday. Once its put together, a review and Pics will be posted for sure.
I just got off the phone with him, he is shipping it wrapped in moving blankets and insulation foam, in a PS3 box. * Praying * "Please let it get here in one piece...please let it get here in one piece" lol. Should be fine.
Thanks Shawn and Dave. Shawn, look for that used stuff dude. David, My dealer usually pairs a Bryston 4b SST with MA's as well, and it makes the hairs on my arm stick up. I agree with you totally. Cheers.
Shawnboy - Check Audiogon for used Bryston gear. Bryston is a very safe buy used, due to their 20 year transferrable warantee. If you buy a 10 year old piece, you'll still have 10 years of factory warantee left. Not too shabby.
Nick - I may get some heat for saying this, but I'm gonna say it anyway... In your position, I'd skip the Mira3. Its a great integrated, but it can't compete with Bryston seperates. For the same price as a new Mira3, you can find a used Bryston BP-25 pre-amp give or take a few bucks. IMO, it'll sound a lot better.
Here's two excellent examples of BP-25 pre-amps - http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatran&1206394791
They're pretty much what you'll find in that price range. Just make sure you know how much warantee is left, and what options they come with like phono and/or remote. I think they all come with a remote, but I may be wrong.
Disclaimer 1 - I'm a huge Rega fan. This is no knock on Rega. It can't nor should be expected to compete with seperates that each cost multiples of the Mira3.
Stu- I think your right. Last night the guys from Redball Radio(my dealer) were here watching UFC. They ALL pretty much said the exact same thing you are telling me. I can put the Mira3 on hold if I want to, as in don't buy it for now. They said a Mira3 is a very musical integrated, but wont match up to a Pre Amp from Bryston that use to retail for 2- 3 grand in its day. The Synergy too would be much better. I am going to do more listening next weekend.
Waiting until after the wedding sounds like a pretty good idea as well.lol I just spent 2000 on wedding bands yesterday. *Ouch*
thanks stu, I found some really god deals on bryston gear, I never in a million years would think I could pick one up for about $600. They have the same one nick bought for about the same price, tell us how you like your new setup dude, because I just might have to make the trip to go take a listen.
OK - How do you spend 2000 on simple wedding bands?!?! they're meant to be simple bands, not encrusted in jewels and the like.
Our wedding bands cost just £200 and that was because hers is platinum to match the engagement ring. Now the engagement ring is another thing altogether. One internally flawless white marquise cut costs a fair bunch...
I am concerned that if you do go up on the preamp and power amp you are going to be light in the source - i.e. the Apollo isn't really int he right ballpark to be playing with the Brystons. Careful Nick - you're headed on a steep upward spiral.
David- sorry man my brain is dead right now, remind me again what RSVP means?LOL sorry man. Oh By the way, My Bryston 3B is sitting on my work bench right now. It arrived this morning. I put it on the scale in the shipping area and it came in at 48.4 pounds. The guy shipped it very well in an old NAD711 box. Going for lunch in one hour and will hook it up then. *Yippeee*
OHHHHhhhhh! You were talking Canadian dollars! I thought you meant £2000! I guess Canadian dollars is more like it, although it still seems steep to me. Then again, I bought our jewellery in Malta where it's more sensibly priced...
And yes, upward spiral of costs. The Apollo is a great machine, no question, but it's 'just an Apollo', targetted at the sub-£1000 market. The Bryston is a couple of rungs up the ladder. If you open the window with the preamp you need to be prepared to consider better CD players...
LOL Stu- I will take a Loonie over an American dollar any day.LOL!!! Just playing.
Well I just got back from lunch, and I must say..WOW. The Bryston is insane. Clear, precise, fast. I am going to email Bryston about a few things I noticed about the amp. When I turn it off, a small *Cherping* noise comes from the speakers, just sorta like...you can hear the power shut off through the speakers. Im sure this is normal for an old style amp. Plus the Brystons are meant to be left on. When its on, its dead quiet and sounds so clear and open. I was like two hours on my lunch because I just couldn't stop listening to it. I see there is some sort of Fuse controller on it, but I have no idea what that does. I need to email Bryston and get some sort of paper work. I havn't had time to do a whole lot of listening but my first impression was WOW!! I will post more info and pics after dinner tonight. Cheers.
Bryston makes excellent gear. Their service department is top notch as well. You may be better off calling their Vermont service center and speak directly with someone rather than exchanging emails. Have the serial number and date code handy. Look up their info on the Bryston webpage.
Another great Bryston resource is the Bryston Circle on Audio Circle. The VP of marketing (James Tanner) is on there all the time. He answers a lot of questions, and when he can't, he consults his engineers and gets back to you. Here's a link to the Bryston Circle -
Thanks Stu, I Talked to Bryston yesterday right after I posted. They said the Chirp is very very normal in all of the Legacy and ST series amps. It is the caps draining when it powers off. Only hear the chirp for like half a second, not even then its off. He said there is no electronics on those amps to supress the caps? U only get that in the new SST series which retails for 4 grand for the replacement amp of mine.LOL. I will post pics today. Have to get more listening in. Stu I can really really notice a difference on Rock music especially. The Bryston is much faster therefore with heavier music it is a lot less muddy. Very clear. Tool-Aneima and the new Silversun Pickups cd sound incredible.
If you've got any older Korn - particularly Follow the Leader or Issues - give that a spin too. The guitars won't sound slow and muddy. They'll actually sound like lower tuned 6-string guitars rather than bass guitars.
You going to re-open the system pics thread and post there?
Yup, Im going to have to pull out my Fuji digital to do it, our new Sony is a pixel Hog and I cant get it at a decent size so people can see the stuff and make it fit this forum.lol I will do it on my lunch.
Since you guys are talking about bryston is the 3b-st any good. Say a used one would it be a good match with MA bookshelf or is that a bit of a overkill for a pair of RS1's. Would i be better of simply getting a new Parasound A23 perhaps?
Nick just wondering if you or any other owners like to give comments on the rs6's. Which speakers did you compare them with? I just think i going to hold on the RS! was getting demo pair of the S2 but they was a delay so i opted with a new pair of RS1. But hmm since i'd prob have to add a sub later since i do enjoy great lower extension . What the heck should i just spend a little more and get a nice floorstander which will nearly take up the same space as stands.. andsound a lot better. Are the RS6's worth the extra $$$ would have lovely to demo them at home but alas no can do.
Chico- The RS6's are probably my favorite speaker in that price range, that I have heard personally. Amazing accross the board. Clarity like no other. They just seem to push through everything. I have heard the RS6's with Pioneer Elite, NAD and Bryston. The speakers sounded great on all three. I think the RS6's rock the RS1's and are a worthy upgrade and well worth the extra money.
Thnaks for the input nick my main reason for going the tower right is my wife appears to be a hidden bass fanatic. So my real question is how is do they reach down low? She likes salsa merengue zouk(caribbean music) Sade and the like. I'm a guy who listens too anything i'm more about quality the quantity. Clean tight bass will always impress me more than lost of muddy sloppy noise. But i'm trying to do without a sub.
The last time I listened to the RS6's, my dealer was using a Paradigm Seismic 12 sub with them. Great sub for 1500. BUT, When he turned the sub off and allowed the RS6's to handle the full range, I thought the sound improved. Their bass extension for a little speaker of that price range is fantastic. They go low enough, and the bass is very tight and punchy. Your wife will love them. I know I do.
ahhhh Could have got an almost new one for a grand.lol oh well. I wonder how much better the SST series is compared the the Legacy and ST series. The Bryston "sound" has seemed to be pretty consistent over the years.
Yup, the 3B and regular 4B (with no st,sst at the end of the name) are from the Legacy series Bryston now calls them. The 4B is 250 watts by 2 and the 3B is 120 watts by 2. I couldn't justify having any more power for my speakers at all, but some I guess might. And the 4B would definitely give it to them.Cheers.