the MTX is p00p compared to FI or Crystal, but seriously whats your budget, because if you say can drop lots of "bread" i will reccommend 2' DD 9512 (in no way comparable to MTX 9512) and 2 DD Z1's for the pair that should be nice
hats off to the dd 9912, thanks for the link as well. that has to be the coldest sub i've ever even heard of. very high quality. i'll be contacting a dd dealer tommorrow to discuss pricing and the differences between the 9500 and the 9900 series. there isn't alot of info on the internet about them though. no e-bay.
i think the 9900 are like $800 a piece or something like that, and also i beleive the 9500 and 9900 are close except the 9900 handles alot more power, you do realize you will need alot of things to run either of those subs, not just an amp
if you have ever heard a Crystal Mobile Sound CompX or Fi Audio Q, you would gladly sacrifice the sh1tty SPL the MTX 9500's(cough trying to be like DD cough) put out and upgrade with the aforementioned subs with pristine SQ and thumpage.
i dont mean to bust your balls Jesse....but here is the situation.
You come on to this forum, mentioning a brand you want to buy that is mainstream garbage...<---truth.
then you argue with someone who has 9,000 posts, and obviously has some experience with car audio.
Bro, he isn't going to recommend a sub to you that is of lesser quality than what you are after. It just doesn't happen that way. lol
So when you start catching flack for defending a garbage mainstream brand(we here hate mainstream for several reasons, overpriced, underbuilt, and most of them don't sound very good) it is b/c we know ALL the underground brands that can be had a a much cheaper price and much better build quality.
also no life? how much of chauncey's life can 9000 posts take away. i have been here less than a year and i almost have 6000 posts. i don't need to sit in front of the pc with this site on all day to have that many.
spoke with digital design representative. he informed me that the dd9512 and espesially the dd9912 could not under any cercumstances be sealed. that it is not a sound quality sub, strictly for spl competitions. he is a dd dealer and highly recomeded against buying those subs.
so im back to square one with three days to go before purchase day. will take another look at the fi q's and crystal comp today. will also take the initative to speak to thier reps if number is available on thier site.
u r talking about pushing 2500wrms of raw power so yes 2 batts is needed in fact i too own a orion 2500d amp & a fellow installer told me the same thing , he said if were him he would put 1 yellowtop under the hood & 2 more near 2 the amp as possible ...
well, i'm taking into consideration what you guys are suggesting and following up with research on 'em. dd looks great but i was recomended against them by thier own dealer. since you guys started knockin the mtx 9512, i've ben lookin and haven't found a better option yet. although the earthquake sub-zero looks real nasty!!!!!!!!! any info on that?
yea. like i said, the DD people didnt recommend tha sub for you only because you dont plan on competing. they are not meant for a dialy driver sub. get some DD 9512's or some 3515's, SI mags, some jugs or somthin
im still researching the brands you put out there for me mat dope. good lookin on that. the ascendant audio subs didn't compare. The soundsplinter rl-s looks devistating!!!!!!!!!! have you seen the magnet on that massive beast! 1500w rms, and the web site claims sq..
yeah i was worried about that cz they were focusing on home theater. and its hard to find an amp that kicks at 4 ohm.. it sure looked mean though. still lookin around at the options that were put up by mat dope.
hold up, even the W7's cant keep up with the 9512. i've heard alot about the RE's xxx. and i'm supprised that out of all these recomedations, they haven't been brought up before now! but, them the treo and brahms are the only ones in 9512 class that i know of. but then i don't know that much about those subs. maybe i should be lookin into them. i have an open-mind and willing to check out anything thats BETTER. but haven't found one yet and i've been searchin strong for two days.
no the brahmas and treo are not in the mtx's class, they are way past that the mtx is garbage, and in regards to a W7 its only better on paper. the W7 is better and so is every sub thats been mentioned. Quit saying they compare to the MTX 9512 because you are dissing those companies so bad by mentioning there sub in the same sentence as the MTX
bassman, i was lookin back at the threads and to answer the question you wanted answered. i think you were refering to the ascendantaudio. they are 500w rms. the big boy havoc only comes in 15, that i could see, if it's even out yet.
man, you can not go off of paper when comparing subs. if you were to call ascendant audio you would see they recommend 600-1000wrms for the arsenal (take it thats the one you're referring to). and why is it your basing all sub selection off of recommended rms?
you are going about sub shopping all wrong if going off paper specs and rms. and yes you will need another amp of going with the xxx. i almost bought one and was told by both a re dealer and a tech from re to give one xxx 2000-2300wrms. i really hope you have a big enough charging system for all of this.
as for the credibility crack. i do not claim to be an expert or an installer, not even a competition guy. i do know a little bit bout systems though. i,ve had about five good systems. this one i want to do better than the others with hard hitting bass thats responsive, and sounds good. something i dont have to turn all the way up to be satisfied. thats what i'm lookin for. i'm only on this thread cause im ready to make a purchase, and i want to make the right one.
rf-sucks "bandpass" rf-sucks rf p2-sucks the only decent subs mentioned is the type r and their not the greatest in the world. just get the two 12" fi q, that orion amp, and you will be more than happy, considering you're other systems.
p00p on you joey, you sh1t on everything we worked hard to accomplish, all the brainwashing we have tried to erase to get him to not go main stream and you come along and destroy our work, in the words of the children from south park "You B@stard"
if you dont have the money for a charging system upgrade, i would either get a pair of fi q's or 3512's and use that one orion amp. with the money you'll save from buying another amp and xxx's (cause they are pricey) use that for a ho alt., good battery (or two), and do the big 3, and then buy a good amount of sound deadner.
first off just like to say whoever said the 9512 is strictly a spl sub(dd this is) then u are completely wrong and should go read before you post yes it does get very loud, louder than most but what you dont know is it sounds very amazing also it has great sq and is awesome for a daily driver. But you do have to port it to get the most out of it. And jesse i own 2 10" mtx thunder 7500's and i will tell you right now they are not that far behind a 9500 and my dd 9500 kills them and almost every single sub on this thread will beat it so please listen to these guys there not stupid like you seem to think read a little bit on this site b4 you decide i would say get 2 12" treo ssi's or a xxx
joey, i keep going back to it bcause i can't find a better sub. when this thread began i had no doubt that the mtx 9512 was the way to go. a friend of mine has one on a mtx ta91001 (3000w rms amp), and it BANGS>. but everyone keeps bashin 'em. i know the sound quality can be improved on though.
charlie, those are two top knotch options, the treo or xxx, i'll call some dealers right now and see whats up with 'em. maybe they'll come off a deal for the xxx. ohh the fi q's as well. i am lookin with your help.
CHECK THIS OUT!!! i e-mailed fi car audio (email@example.com) last night and look at the response. tried to post it, didn't work. so i'll type his words exactly.
i'll be absolutely honest with you. the 9512 is a very solid sub. great design and power handling... i would honestly saythat the 9512 is more of a sub than the Q series in many aspects. but the q series will give you 90% of what the 9512 will in output, every bit of what it can in sound quality. for half the price including shipping. while there are no major disadvantages over the 9512 on a level playing field. you could also afford to buy 4 of the Q12s and then there would be no doubt about what would be louder
yes sir! wow, i just spoke with the treo tech. the guy who does thier engineering or something. he blew me away talking about harmonics, mid bass snap, sound quality issues, very high tech type stuff i can't even comprehend. said he compares the various brands of subs in a lab on a computer reading frequency response. and that every sub manufacturer has a signature sound. they replicate it on every series, and just add more power handling. he said go with 4 treo ssi 12 sealed.
ok i spoke with RE's number one distributer. great guy , very informitive, and helpfull. i couldn't get a good fit though. he recomended 1-15 ported in a custom box they build for about 400.00. not the way that i wanted to go. i don't want a ported box b/c thier not responsive. and the bass gets thrown together and drowned out. in my opinion, a ported box is great if your hitting one hard drawn out note at a time, but thier not responsive and dont recover well. thats why i want sealed.
the more i research and look into these other subs, the stronger i feel that 2-12 mtx 9512's sealed is the best way to go. they are inexpensive, hit real hard, fit well with my car (sealed box at 1.5 cu. in. each), and fit well with the amp.
finally, i spoke with the mtx rep. he basicly confirmed everything that i've been thinkin 'bout 'em. that two sealed mtx 9512's are gonna hit very hard, be responsive and have good sound quality. with all the other options, nothing can do better in the same environment for the same money (or even close).
ok your defainatly wrong if you want to continue being so ignorant after so many people here have tryed to help you then you deserve to be stuck with sh;tty mtx subs that will probly satisfy you becaue you dont know what a real sub is. maybe someday youll relize there are better on the market aside from the xxx
"CHECK THIS OUT!!! i e-mailed fi car audio (firstname.lastname@example.org) last night and look at the response. tried to post it, didn't work. so i'll type his words exactly.
i'll be absolutely honest with you. the 9512 is a very solid sub. great design and power handling... i would honestly saythat the 9512 is more of a sub than the Q series in many aspects. but the q series will give you 90% of what the 9512 will in output, every bit of what it can in sound quality. for half the price including shipping. while there are no major disadvantages over the 9512 on a level playing field. you could also afford to buy 4 of the Q12s and then there would be no doubt about what would be louder" :-)
yeah, i read that thread last night lokkin up info on 'em(fi q). i also noticed that the people on that thread are here. let me post what i wrote him,
i'm three days away from making a big purchase on two sealed subs and a big amp. had my mind made up to get 2 x mtx 9512. then on a forum they were saying that i should look into your fi q series. do you think that your subs can compete with the mtx 9512? if yes, how so? please tell me the advantages of your subs over the mtx 9512. please contact soon.
Hey jesse il tell u what im going to buy a 15" fi q and going to run a audio art 100 h.c to it wired to 1 ohm produceing 1100wrms in a custom built box(makeing my self with dimentions givein from the guy scott)tuned to either 28 or 33 hrz havent made my mind up yet then i would just like to show u how loud 1 15 could sound to bad im not geting my sub till i sell my old ones though
i seen that lol but i hear u one wanting good sq cause i have 2 jl w0s in a ported box not really suggested because there not ment for a ported box but they hit really really good so now i only want one sub to try and save some space and im going to a fi q as stated earlyer which should hit harder and sound just as good especialy concidering im going to be running 1100wrms instead of 250 wrms should be noticably louder lol
wow. ok. haha yesterday actually, my friend daniel had had the mtx 9512's in his ride in a while, and i have never been satisfied with them. i have heard bot the 7500 series and the 8500, and the 7500's are soo close to the 9500's. LOL
so a week ago, my bro ordered some fi q's (12's) and haha NO CoMPARISON AT ALL. quality is better and they get louder than the 9512's (mtx).
choices (treo ssi out of picture IMO, sq isnt that great from people i have spoken too, and they dont get that loud (lil louder than 2 cvr's) with better sq
i dont understand what you are sayin with the ported box, lol. i would say that 90% of the people on this forum have their subs in ported box, tuned from either 26 hz - 40 hz for dailey. when the sub gets sloppy, thats around 38-40 hz. and the custom boxes that mtx makes for their 9500 series are tuned to 38 hahaha. so sealed in NO OPTION with those.
Si Mag would be great FI BTL's would be insane 2 12's (or the Q's) BTL and Q's have great sound quality for wha they are, and i would STILL! put the DD 9512's in with that mix no dought
the reason why the tech told you to stay away fomr them was because the 9900 series are comp subs. people al over this forum have the 9500 series from DD and i have heard NOT ONE thing bad about their subs, and sq is great also.
i'm starting to get more open-minded on using a ported box. i just want something thats responsive, and hits real hard. i'll take another look at dd 9512 and the si mag d2 12. seen a video for the si mag and im not sure if they were sealed but got loud, great excursion.
i'm starting to get more open-minded on using a ported box. i just want something thats responsive, and hits real hard. i'll take another look at dd 9512, the re xxx, and the si mag d2 12. seen a video for the si mag and im not sure if they were sealed but got loud, great excursion.
they all are very good subs man. its hard to judge them. people say the DD 9512's are spl (i think they have great sq tho as muddy does also) the xxx is a great sub! but are too overpriced IMO. 1200 for one sub is ridiculous. and the SI mag is very nice too. its really a toss up on what you want to spend. i know that i like the FI Q's and BTL's as everyone on this forum does also. they get loud, and sound great while doin it
the dd will get the loudest out of those more than likly. but it still retains sq. the si mag from what i hear would be a better choice for your application. they can be ran sealed but most people use them at 28hz
"by the way, you guys would convert a priest to buddhism."
jesse....up there you said: " i don't want a ported box b/c thier not responsive. and the bass gets thrown together and drowned out. in my opinion, a ported box is great if your hitting one hard drawn out note at a time, but thier not responsive and dont recover well. thats why i want sealed."
I am going to strongly disagree with you...because I have one 15 in a ported box....and it is very responsive and clear....and it also gets loud enough for me right now....it all depends on the sub
you sold me on the digital design 9512 x2. they'll have to be ported, and that really isn't what i want. i am confident they'll sound good though. i am gonna wait a few days to see what this e-bay auction will do. if it doesn't come together there, i'm in contact with a dealer that will deliver personally at the db nationals here.
i got a good feelin about these subs. if i win the auction (which i'll bid vigorously), i'll be runnin 15's instead, ported. guys, i know it was difficult and i appreciate all your help!!!!!!!! the digital designs is a good choice, and i couldn't have done it without you. told my buddy bout 'em, now he wants some too.
wow... this thread is to big maybe ill finish reading it all one day... and chauncey... ""9,000 posts just mean you have no life LOL"
yeah..its just i have a computer at home and at work..i guess im just privileged.. I have lots of fun everyday..im only 19 and i bet i make more money then u...thats alot of fun..llolololol" Im on the same level.. work, school or in my ride with the satelite internet on the laptop i got internet everywhere... and i make bank for a 19 year old...
Listen to these people man, helped me out alot.. but for SQ you deffinetly dont want those mtx subs.. and if your trying to get a brand that you have heard of before.... just so you can have that "safe" feeling lol go with some JL13w7's in a sealed box....? if that was mentioned.... i got lazy and didnt read the second half of this forum its wasy toooo long lol
the orion can be ran at .5ohm and people burp them at .25 all of the time. you dont belive me go to caraudio.com and tons of people will tell you it can be ran at .5 daily and thats how they run theres with no problems and no overheating.
now i'm really screwed. went by the local shop to buy a ported box for the dd9515's, and it wont fit. they said i would have to have someone build the box inside the truck to get them to fit. estimated at 1200.00.
go to the sub section and post that you need a box for the dd9515's and someone should be able to help you out. Local shops always overprice things. I went to a local shop to find out about a custom box for my cvx's and they wanted $500 now i got this dude from these forums building mine for $110. He lives here in portland though, otherwise shipping would be kinda spendy. You could also check this site out.
my worries are over!!!! just won two dd 9512's on e-bay. should be able to fit them in the car. Is there something i should know about the enclosure? DO THEY NEED SOMETHING OTHER THAN A PRE-FAB BOX? WHY?
like i said, pre-fab boxes are ust random boxes that they make that just house random subs. those are fine if you have some shitty audiobahn or pyle subs. but when you get good subs, you want to make a box built EXACTLY to the specs of ur subs. like i said, you can hit me up with, email@example.com if you want a box, or you can go to that one profesional site and ask for quote.
thats a horrible price. 2 custom boxes????/ wtf hahaha, you need 1 box, that houses both subs. cant belive you just did that without eve askin anyone. there are plently of people on here that would help you out designing one, instead of wasting a bunch of money because the box is proly tuned to 40 hz, which mans no sq whatsoever