Bi-wiring?
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Bronze Member Username: UnderarockMilwaukee, WI USA Post Number: 26 Registered: Oct-06 | I've been reading descriptions about many speakers, and one item that always puzzles me is when the descriptions mention that the speakers are capable of "bi-wiring". Somehow, this procedure can improve the sound in some way. I did a quick search on this site, and found over 3,000 entries! So, real quick, just what is bi-wiring, and why wouwould/should anyone attempt such a procedure? |
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 9221 Registered: May-04 | . http://search.ecoustics.com/a.php?search=biwiring https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/268269.html https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/207532.html . |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 537 Registered: Oct-04 | The jury is definetly out on bi-wiring, so my advice is to buy some nice Canare 4S11 "star quad" 14-gauge cable, with four conductors http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm , bi-wire them up, listen to them, and if you like it keep it. If not, no harm, twist the four conductors into two pairs (you will probably have to terminate them with banaba plugs or spades in order to fit them into your amp/receiver) and use them that way. Currently I do not bi-wire any of my set-ups. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4345 Registered: Dec-04 | Rocky, you absolutely not hurt your sound by replacing you current wire. In fact, when I replaced my rip-cord with Liberty14g 4 core(in bi-wire) the difference was night and day. If somebody says otherwise, well, they weren't here. If you want really good wires on the cheap, try this... http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ffrc_e.html I'm gonna try this soon. |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 538 Registered: Oct-04 | I currently use some very handsomely made Dayton Speaker Cables w/Banana terminals from Parts Express http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&WebPage_ID=3&filter=special-11-2-dayaud . They are a very economical choice if aesthetics are a consideration. You can easily buy two pairs of Dayton cables for less than the price most other entry-level "Audiophile" cables. Consider this: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 539 Registered: Oct-04 | And this: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/interconnects/DIYSpeakerCablesp1.html |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 540 Registered: Oct-04 | I know these links stray off the topic of this thread, but should still be informative & help in your decision. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4349 Registered: Dec-04 | Chris, you are right(1) and right (2). good post |
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Silver Member Username: GamerdudeOntario Canada Post Number: 219 Registered: Apr-06 | SO even if i did Bi-Wire my Fluance speakers it would matter? wouldnt be no different |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 541 Registered: Oct-04 | This guy has been selling some very nice, affordable bi-wires on eBay for a while: http://cgi.ebay.com/Canare-4S11-Audiophile-Bi-Wire-Speaker-Cable_W0QQitemZ260041 619381QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14966QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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Gold Member Username: KanoBC Canada Post Number: 1098 Registered: Oct-04 | "SO even if i did Bi-Wire my Fluance speakers it would matter? wouldnt be no different" More expensive speakers will likely use better quality jumpers between the binding posts, therfore budget speakers will benefit more from replacing the cheap jumpers. |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 542 Registered: Oct-04 | The same principles that apply to speaker cables should also apply to jumpers, "cheap" or otherwise. The same may be said for powercords, read for yourself: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cord s-12-2004.html |
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Bronze Member Username: UnderarockMilwaukee, WI USA Post Number: 28 Registered: Oct-06 | Hey, JV, thanks very much for your links!! It becomes a little clearer (OK, a lot clearer!) than mud now. I've read two of the three so far, and it has increased my understanding a bit, and why it would be done. I might even do it, myself! Again, thanks for taking the time and trouble to help me out on this topic. Regards, etc. underarock |
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Bronze Member Username: UnderarockMilwaukee, WI USA Post Number: 29 Registered: Oct-06 | Nuck and Christopher M Didn't mean to leave you out, too. Thanks very much for the links and info!!! All of you on this board have helped me out a lot, and I now know more than I did last week. I appreciate the tips and knowledge of the "pros". Sincerely underarock (and intend to stay there) |
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 9224 Registered: May-04 | . "The jury is definetly out on bi-wiring ... " I don't understand how you can say the jury is still out. If you read the explanation for how and why bi-wiring operates, you should see the logic of the connection. The jury might be out in regard to any one speaker and amplifier combination, but the benefits of bi-wiring are simple to understand. The jury might be out on whether any one person will hear the benefits of bi-wiring, but do not hold bi-wiring to account for what a listener is unable to hear. If you wish to decide bi-wiring isn't worth the money and effort, that would be your decision. But, please, don't discount the benefits merely because you have yet to find them. Cable threads get long and nasty due to immovable opinions among the particpants. I see no reason to advocate one way or another in the cable debates. Let the person decide what they want to own. . |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 543 Registered: Oct-04 | I said, "The jury is definitely out on bi-wiring", "bi-wire them up, listen to them, and if you like it keep it", and "Currently I do not bi-wire any of MY set-ups." Jan said, "If you wish to decide bi-wiring isn't worth the money and effort, that would be your decision", "Cable threads get long and nasty due to immovable opinions among the participants. I see no reason to advocate one way or another in the cable debates. Let the person decide what they want to own." Jan, You see these statements as being fundamentally different? I told the guy to try it and decide for himself. I said the jury is still out because, as you stated, "Cable threads get long and nasty due to immovable opinions among the participants", and while science is science, the final decision must be made by the consumer. I did not advocate one way or the other. |
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Silver Member Username: GamerdudeOntario Canada Post Number: 222 Registered: Apr-06 | Aww No biggie i supose Not worth a try either? |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 545 Registered: Oct-04 | Like I said, try it if your speakers are bi-wirable, what's there to lose? The price of quad cable vs. standard cable is neglible (IMHO). Then you won't have to wonder, you'll know whether you perfer it or not. |
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Silver Member Username: StefanomSilver Spring, MD United States Post Number: 211 Registered: Apr-06 | One more reason to get speakers that aren't biwireable. I don't have to wonder one way or another :P |
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Silver Member Username: GamerdudeOntario Canada Post Number: 223 Registered: Apr-06 | Lol yea i;ma gonna give it a try hopefuly it sounds a bite better who knows really either way ill be happy lol |
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New member Username: RttrPost Number: 7 Registered: Oct-06 | I bi-wire with Canare 4S11, but I really only did it cause the wire was dirt cheap at Blue Jeans Cable and it looks awesome, it's a pretty sexy large round cable. It's probably all in my head but I do notice a slight improvement in bass smoothness over 2x14 gauge wire compared to using the new 4x14 gauge. I'm not usually one that thinks of HUGE improvements when upgrading something as simple as speaker wire. |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 578 Registered: Oct-04 | If you can notice ANY improvements, I'd say the few bucks more spent on the bi-wire was money well spent. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4396 Registered: Dec-04 | Kevin, you are right. EVERYTHING makes a difference, small or large, it is a difference. A long time ago, I ran bi-wire to my speakers, replaced the binding strips with wire and put the + on the lowside, -on the high, and found a HUGE difference in sound. Good post. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4397 Registered: Dec-04 | CM, a lot of folks here think that wire is expensive. That is a shame. Good speaker wire is cheap like a Dominican date, and is just as effective. |
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Silver Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 580 Registered: Oct-04 | Nuck, I'm confussed? You replaced the binding strips with wire, and you bi-wired? I don't get it. Isn't is either or? Please explain. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4404 Registered: Dec-04 | Sorry Christopher, when I replaced the strips I pulled the bi-wire at the same time(ceiling pull so I doubled up. Later in the process did I make the bi-wire connection(both results were quite favorable. When I put in the new gear, I went to floor runs of Liberty 4 conductor, bi-wire. Next comes the twisted cat5 3 cable arrangement. |
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