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SWR-12D4 12" Type R Alpine Subwoofer or Pioneer TS-W3002D4 12" Champion Series Subwoofer

 

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Username: Renzo95

Post Number: 1
Registered: Oct-12
Ive looked at both specs and cant decide... Links are below..
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11205909&filterName=Brand& filterValue=Pioneer

http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/swr-12d4

Ive read and heard that alpine type R subs are the best but these pioneer have 3500W max power while the Alpine ones only have 3000W... Does it matter, and which one emits a cleaner bass.
 

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Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1699
Registered: May-09
Base your expectation of power in RMS ratings, furthermore base your expectation of performance in the company behind a product.

From those two the Alpine is the better sub and is more expensive.

Also whichever you get buy online with amazon.com or sonicelelctronix.com to avoid paying more.

If you want a real high quality sub which will outperform both of the above go with a Fi SSD subwoofer for about 200.
 

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Username: Renzo95

Post Number: 2
Registered: Oct-12
Thank you very much... I'm probably going to go with the Alpine, but Im going to get an amp to match it , and the alpine has 1000W RMS and 3000W Max power, so if I get a 1000W Aircooled Amp from Kenwood, would that be enough, or should I get and 1800W one, on another note is 1800W really neccessary because it is a lot more expensive than the 1000W one?
 

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Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1701
Registered: May-09
Many Kenwood amplifiers have had reliability problems, for that sub and on a budget I would suggest:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_23548_Hifonics-Brutus-BRZ1200.1D.html

From this brand name only get an amp from the Brutus line, the other lines will not put out rated power.

Also consider this one:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_44470_MB-Quart-FX1.1000.html

Runs very cool and are CEA certified.
 

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Username: Renzo95

Post Number: 3
Registered: Oct-12
What about alpine amps or rockford?
 

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Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1704
Registered: May-09
Rockford amps are nice but extremely expensive, Alpine amps are ok if you don't get the MRP-Mxxx series that get overly hot and eventually fail.
 

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Username: Renzo95

Post Number: 4
Registered: Oct-12
ok what about these three?
http://www.amazon.com/Hifonics-Brutus-BRZ1200-1D-D-Class-Block/dp/B0036B8URK

http://www.amazon.com/Rockford-Fosgate-R1000-1D-000-Watt-Amplifier/dp/B002X786WM

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-MRX-M100-Monoblock-Subwoofer-Amplifier/dp/B004XJJET2

The first one is the one you recommended earlier.

1-Hifonics Brutus
2-Rockford
3-Alpine

P.S. Thank you for all the help you have been giving.
 

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Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1710
Registered: May-09
Ok those MRX have also overheating problems, the RF is OK if you are OK with the price (but take a look at a recent thread on the amps forum with a RF amp that blew apparently for no reason), the Hifonics and the MB Quart I recommended are ok amps, the MBs are also efficent, they don't overheat at all and go easy on your electrical so it's also a good choice, for some more you can also get and AQ1200d which is also efficient, I like and own RF but honestly they are not the end of all things, is just a quality product - overpriced, to some extent similar to the JL Audio brand.
 

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Username: Renzo95

Post Number: 5
Registered: Oct-12
Thank you, I think I've made up my mind on the Brutus because I've been reading a lot of good reviews on it.. Plus I don't have tons to spend but, I plan on getting it before the sale on it ends, but I guess I'll just have to wait and see, its just a tough decision when it comes to amps because you dont want to pick the wrong one..But thanks again for your advice.
 

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Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1711
Registered: May-09
Other than that Alpine all will do a good job, don't be concerned, are all decent stuff, the RF will have the cool factor, if you can spend the extra cash I think is worth it.

Performance will actually depend more on your box design, your electrical, and how you setup crossovers, gains etc. Lots of fun without a doubt, best of luck.
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