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Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 434
Registered: Oct-10
What are the cheapest new subs that won't break apart after a month? $20-$100 shipped... or less!
 

Bronze Member
Username: John253a

Aust.

Post Number: 64
Registered: May-11
I once brought a car with dominator subs in it they lasted until upgrade about 1 year on 100wrms amp.
They rrp at $30 ea
Were they worth the money no.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 340
Registered: May-09
This has to be a contender on 10" size:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_130_Audiobahn-AW1051T.html

Talking about something that will last doing rated of course (300W RMS).
 

Platinum Member
Username: Rovin

1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T...

Post Number: 17035
Registered: Jul-05
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-NEW-PIONEER-TS-W309S4-12-CHAMPION-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/360351146382

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Kicker-CVR12-COMPVR-12-800W-Car-Subwoofer-/280722073784

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEW-HIFONICS-HFi12D4-12-CAR-SUBS-SUB-WOOFERS-1200W-/360388586364

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTX-JH5512-04-CAR-AUDIO-12-JACKHAMMER-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/330461464485
 

Platinum Member
Username: Rovin

1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T...

Post Number: 17036
Registered: Jul-05
it really sucks posting ebay links here but u can still figure out what the items are ...
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Columbia, South Carolina

Post Number: 14511
Registered: Dec-03
no sub should ever break apart like that. If you have subs failing, it's probably due to the amplifier clipping, or a really bad box design.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 341
Registered: May-09
Or powering the subwoofer beyond its peak power handling in a sustained or frequent manner.

Anyways the Audiobahn AW1051T which is below $45 can take a fair amount of abuse without breaking apart, goes really loud and handles 300W RMS.

Stay away from Boss type of subwoofer just to save $10 or so, its not worth it.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jbpitt

Pittsburgh, Pa. Usa

Post Number: 1277
Registered: Jul-09
http://www.caraudiodeals.com/american-bass-xo1244-p-1956.html

You might even be able to find these cheaper,i didnt look real good.
Not to bad of a sub tho...
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 435
Registered: Oct-10
I'll rephrase to - what brand would you slightly trust more than the other for the same price, I know I don't know much about any of the cheaper manufacturers, besides RE ETC. I thought Boss was kids stuff, I mean they do look like flash outweighs performance.

I looked on Sonix for 10's 12's 15's. Do you think the Boss 15" can actually handle 1500W with a 2.5" VC for $80?

I've owned a Kicker CVR 15 sealed in 2-3 cubes, never got to try it ported, very decent sub and I never got to fully power it. It lasted a long time, and it was already very old. Before that I had 2 sealed Pioneer 12's that, I think, were 175W RMS. They sounded great, but two sealed wouldn't cut it. Also had 2 RF P1 12's sealed in the same box and they sucked with an even bigger amp than the Pioneer's had. Very low output with poor SQ. Should have ported the damned things.

Some specs I jotted, all power handling in RMS:

Dual SD12
175W
4 ohm
2" VC
$35

Boss CX122
700W
4 ohm/didn't say single or dual, probably means single
2" VC
$36

Hifonics HFX12D4
300W
DVC 4
87.25 dB
6.5mm
$40

PowerBass PS12
250W
2" VC
$40

Crunch P112D4
350W
10.25mm
87.8 dB
$45

Alphasonic
230W
1.5" VC
7mm
$50

Renegade GTW1200
300W 2" VC
86.7 dB
$50

MB Quart ONX302
400W
2.5" VC
9mm
$50

,,, and it looks sick.

MB Quart Formula series? FWA304D
300W
$50
Y U NO THIELE SMALL!

Boss P156DVC
1500W
DVC 4
2.5" VC
$80

PowerBass $40 and MB Quart $50 (the red stitched cone) look good. The CVR12's are kind of expensive.

Which would be better in 1 cubic foot sealed?

I'm using a 1500W @ 1 ohm amp. Sticking with 12's.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 347
Registered: May-09
Take a look at this: $85 per CVR12:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_9347_2-Pack-of-Kicker-CVR124-07CVR124.html

I'd quit messing with junk products, in the long run is never worth it, I know it can be tempting.

From those you mention, probably Powerbass and Alphasonic are the only ones that could be considered besides the Maxxsonics group which are decent budget products specially MBQuart and maybe HiFonics.

Now if you insist $34 per sub (good luck):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEW-BOSS-CX122-12-2800W-Power-Subwoofers-/230578302390
 

Platinum Member
Username: Rovin

1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T...

Post Number: 17039
Registered: Jul-05
dude dont be scrapping the bottom of the barrel & wasting ur $ buying garbage , out of those listed i'd pick MB Quart ONX302

the kicker cvr i listed above is what i wud get , these are well built & sound good for what they are , port them using the factory rec specs which actually work well

why sealed though - unless u dont have the space for ported ? ...

...
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 436
Registered: Oct-10
no space for ported. id like lots of cone area because im keeping my 1500W amp, so im looking at 100w per sub. i just cant find one that models well, like atleast 40 Hz roll off and Q .5-.7.

all upfire 12's in 1 cube each
6 in the trunk
2 half in the trunk
8 on the back seat

in 8 boxes (25 x 12.5 x 16), cuz i can't cut up the trunk, its a unibody. a custom car builder wouldnt touch it. its the only way 6 cubes will fit in the trunk. .08 displacement for each 12 for 1 cube NET.

I wanna see what lots of cheaper subs can do. Not that I want to buy bottom of the barrel stuff, but there are great 300w subs for really cheap, where's the high quality 100W subs?
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 349
Registered: May-09
Low power, high quality for an experiment is what you should have stated to begin with.

Maybe one of this two are the kind of thing you are looking for then:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-367

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-488

T/s parameters in the description.
 

Gold Member
Username: Southernrebel

Monroe, Louisiana Team Audible...

Post Number: 8512
Registered: Mar-04
Phoenix Gold RSD.
One of the best budget subs I have ever seen.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 350
Registered: May-09
The subs in my previous post wont do well at 1 cuft.

Upload

SPL curves, sealed box, 1 ft3, 1 meter

Light blue MBQuart FWA304D (300WRMS)
Yellow Pyle 1290BL (500WRMS)
Orange Audiobahn AW1051T (300WRMS)

As it can be seen 12"s get a lump on 1 cuft.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 437
Registered: Oct-10
Those didnt model so well at Q 1.2 FC 60 Hz, that's like -24dB @ 40 Hz, which wouldn't be a good response for my street bass. I like the Dayton though.
 

Gold Member
Username: Somedonniedude

Illinois Braaap MX

Post Number: 3212
Registered: May-07
12" lightning audio @ walmart $29 i think.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 351
Registered: May-09
Ok Lord_huggington but the plot you see is not for the daytons but these:

1) MBQuart FWA304D
2) Pyle 1290BL
3) Audiobahn AW1051T

How do you like the orange curve?

its getting F3 at about 40Hz enough?

Anyways my point there is that for those cheap subs I modeled (including the MB Quart you suggested) the 12"s do bad in 1 cuft boxes, getting that boomy lump.
 

Gold Member
Username: Illuminator

USA

Post Number: 5600
Registered: Apr-05
What about used subs? I don't get why someone would drop 50-100 on a brand new POS sub instead of just getting a mid-grade one like MTX, Rockford Fosgate, Alpine (not the R) etc.
 

Gold Member
Username: Wolf_hound

Phoenix, AZ

Post Number: 1422
Registered: Sep-05
best post yet^^^
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Columbia, South Carolina

Post Number: 14515
Registered: Dec-03
for the record I have never seen subs fail strictly from too much clean power unless they were being used in an SPL competition environment, and even then, I suspect it was as much power as it was distortion.

Generally an amp can be rated for as much as half again the continuous power handling of the speaker without risk of damage, if the amplifier is set properly, and the amp has sufficient current, and the sub's box is built correctly.

It's extremely rare to damage any speaker from too much clean power.. it just doesn't happen. It's almost always caused by some other problem.. usually clipping from lack of current, or gain settings.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 438
Registered: Oct-10
I only need 100W subs so I don't need to spend more than I have to. I want FC 30 Hz but the only subs I'm reviewing that can do that in 1 cube sealed is an LMS motor. I'm looking for a little beast like a smaller DCON.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 361
Registered: May-09
This one will behave nicely on a 1 cuft sealed box with F3 = 43Hz and is below $100.

Boston-Acoustics-G112-4:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10214_Boston-Acoustics-G112-4.html

It might even get you SQ.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 362
Registered: May-09
Getting better at this:

Autotek M12D4 F3 = 35Hz sealed 1 cuft $45.99

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HF6ERG

Wild guess: sensitivity is specified with coils in series. So +6db in parallel.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 440
Registered: Oct-10
Nice find. You can tell of the ballpark sensitivity from the coils being in series or parallel? +6dB?

"2.5" dual 4-Ohm high temp voice coil with power handling of 500wrms and 1000watts maxx, woven tinsel leads and a high energy motor structure. The M12D4 features an embossed and illuminated logo on a polypropylene dust cap".
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 397
Registered: May-09
I can tell precisely, but I am talking about voltage sensitivity! unless you connect only one coil, you can't really change power sensitivity.

I didn't realize that the sub has an illuminated logo dust cap!

Anyways I have almost given up on finding something better mainly because of the price, in car audio 100W subs would be a tough sell, some HT subs oem manufacturer could have something like you want but home audio subs may not be able to withstand a car environment long term.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 441
Registered: Oct-10
lol, I thought about using my Sony 100W 10" for chiz & gigs, but it barely survives my giant living room, tuned to a completely unimpressive 60 Hz. I have a Sony Xplod 10" in 1 cube sealed, worst subwoofer I've ever heard, it made a better table.

One of the best cheap subs I've ever heard in 1.25 cubes sealed is the Pioneer 175W 12" with a diamond-mesh looking cone, I had two of them in 2.5 cubes and they were great, but probably discontinued. They were $20 each!

So far the Autotek is the clear winner.

I wish TC would build a small LMS sub - something suited to sealed that can dig down to 20 Hz respectfully, and be flat on up. Too bad Eclipse went down the toilet, doesn't another company have the right mind to buy their designs?
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 402
Registered: May-09
Eclipse was good engineers, bad everything else I guess. I don't think that I will see Sony go under in my lifetime.

I might try to beat the Autotek, something from Pioneer would be nice, tried the Pioneer TS-W303R and unhappily is F3= 42Hz. Haven't gone through all their stuff yet.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 443
Registered: Oct-10
I think they'd sell more if they didn't have such outrageous model names. TSW43-WB301-D4AL... comon, wtf?

The Autotek M12D4 is on AudioSavings.com for $39.95.

I'm having a hard time finding the specs (QTC/VAS/FS).
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 406
Registered: May-09
Qts = 0.73, Vas = 98.2L, Fs = 23.72

The one in audiosavings.com is the SM12D4 and its a totally different thing, this guy is selling in pairs and has only 8, $42.50 each:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-AUTOTEK-M12D4-12-2000W-Car-Audio-Subwoofers-Subs-/3 90279735392

I modeled a few of those Autoteks but failed to find a cheaper performing alternative to the "Mean Machine"..lol.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 447
Registered: Oct-10
1 cubic foot

QTC a staggering 1.5451, may be boomy
FC 50.21 Hz
F3 34.93 Hz - sweet

Per 15.28 Hz, it only drops off 3 dB, which should make it as good as -6 dB @ 27.29 Hz, and -12 dB @ 23.47 Hz. How I got those numbers - 15.28 divided by 2 twice, minusing from the F3. Dunno if that's the "linear" way.

It would make a badarse IB sub.

9999 cubic feet
QTC .7301
FC 23.72 Hz
F3 23 Hz

100 cubic feet
QTC .7426
FC 24.13 Hz
F3 23.03 Hz
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 409
Registered: May-09
Upload

Yes, boomy, most 12"s behave like that to some extent on 1 cube sealed, pretty close on the estimates, anyhow if you factor in cabin gain it gets better than that.
 

New member
Username: Ramoncito1969

Donna, TX U.S

Post Number: 2
Registered: Nov-11
Most of the affordable subs require a huge box in order to produce good results, on a vented box. Since I can't afford using too much space, I was considering in buying one fairly good sub rather than 2 cheap subs. If I made a smaller box on cheap subs, I would get less low end and a bump around 50 or 60 hertz, making it non-linear. A cheap 12" sub could require up to 7 cubic feet. Fourteen if you have two subs. I have been noticing this on bassbox.
 

New member
Username: Ramoncito1969

Donna, TX U.S

Post Number: 3
Registered: Nov-11
I now have a cheap 10" q-power, and it sounds great. Not the best sounding sub, but for a person on a budget, it's worth considering.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 917
Registered: May-09
Ramon model the Autotek M12D4 on 1.2 cuft sealed and add damping to the box. This sub is for sealed usage. It behaves perfectly with an F3 = 35 Hz or less it goes for around $40.
 

New member
Username: Ramoncito1969

Donna, TX U.S

Post Number: 5
Registered: Nov-11
Thanks Joe. Did anybody consider Audiopipe. I heard them on Youtube, and they seem to kick butt.
 

New member
Username: Ramoncito1969

Donna, TX U.S

Post Number: 6
Registered: Nov-11
How about Interfire? A store close to where I live sells them. They told me they sounded good. Well, my brother in law was visiting, and I bought him a pair of 4 inch interfire speakers. They sounded great. I still don't know how the subs sound though. They are reasonably priced.
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3757
Registered: May-04
Didnt read the whole thread but the first sub that came to my mind was the Mach 5 MAW. Not even sure if they still make that sub or not but iirc the 15" new was $100 or less shipped. I owned a 15" MAW and I was pretty impressed with the SQ and output for a cheaper priced sub.
 

Silver Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 939
Registered: May-09
For you guys who find reading the whole thread is too much, it's about finding the best 12" sub that would work on 1 cuft sealed enclosure getting as low as possible, the purpose of this was to create a big array of 16 subs. That subwoofer came to be the Autotek M12D4 which does F3 = 35Hz
 

Silver Member
Username: Vc23

EastCoast, Michigan Dos Fi BLs

Post Number: 367
Registered: Mar-06
What about amps < 500 watts rms for cheap? My buddy is lookin for subs, amp and hu for 300$
 

Silver Member
Username: Lord_huggington

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 527
Registered: Oct-10
Walmart on sale dual brand for $20 lol cantgo wrong when its that cheap. That was my fIrst hu. It needed a flash drive plug tho.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 17189
Registered: Jun-04
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Image-Dynamics-iD-8-D2-V3-8-Car-Subwoofer-PAIR-/270921346808
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 17190
Registered: Jun-04
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_19480_Diamond_Audio_D112D42.aspx?utm_s ource=google_shopping&utm_medium=Product_Feed&utm_campaign=google_shopping_Price _Comparison

sealed box volume: 1.2 cubic feet
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 17191
Registered: Jun-04
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_25545_Diamond_Audio_D315D22.aspx?utm_s ource=google_shopping&utm_medium=Product_Feed&utm_campaign=google_shopping_Price _Comparison
 

Gold Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1254
Registered: May-09
Sean the sub candidate has to beat F3 = 35Hz on a 1 cubic feet sealed box current best sub costs about $42 each.

No way to know if those subs can do that unless the manufacturer states so or you model them.

A quick hint: low EBP is a good way to pick a candidate.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 17192
Registered: Jun-04
both of the subs have low 20's fs
 

Silver Member
Username: Dloco486

Post Number: 219
Registered: Apr-11
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIAMOND-AUDIO-D4-2-12-200-WATTS-RMS-Dual-4-Ohm-Voice-Coil-Subwoofer-/260963317849

great sub for 80 bucks. dont know if anybody posted one yet. It's a diamond d1
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 17193
Registered: Jun-04
my link is that sub for 56
 

Silver Member
Username: Makinblak

Monroe/Monticello, La/Ar

Post Number: 810
Registered: Oct-10
wtf is ebp??
 

Silver Member
Username: Dloco486

Post Number: 231
Registered: Apr-11
@ sean cool on the 56$ i gotta see if they have one in dvc 2ohm cuz i'm probly goin to get one for my wifes car.
 

Gold Member
Username: Joe1234

Post Number: 1282
Registered: May-09


EBP = Fs/Qes (Fs,Qes are found in the sub specs)

below 50 sealed
50-99 either
100+ ported

Just a guideline.
 

New member
Username: Justhappytobehere

Post Number: 1
Registered: Sep-12
Sorry if this seems duncie but when looking at a woofers frequency response if one woofer reaches a low of 35hz and another reaches a low response of 50Hz , should a person pay a lot more for the 35Hz to get the 15 extra Hz lower frequencies or would a person be able to tell much difference between the low frequencies of the 2 speakers ?
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Columbia, South Carolina America

Post Number: 14817
Registered: Dec-03
don't get tied up in looking at specs. fact is frequency response is measured as an anechoic response, and with the sub outside of an enclosure. In other words, that graph or spec is meaningless. In fact if you just get a pair of numbers like 50-500Hz, it's even more useless, as you don't know what the actual curve even looks like, so you don't know if that 50Hz is at 0dB, or -3dB, -6dB, or what.. meaningless.

If you want to know if a sub is decent, just ask. Some of us have been in the industry for over two decades, and have a very firm grasp on products.
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