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Sub question, seriously

 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 509
Registered: Sep-05
I am looking into getting 2 SA 12 D2s and I am going to get a Sundown 2000 amp. Now, my questions is this: The guy that I was going to get the subs from had them listed as D4s and made a mistake, they are D2s. I told him I need D4s and he says this: "you can wire it up for .5 ohm and by the time you get the rise you'll be at 1 ohm"
Is this true or will I be doing damage? Help ASAP, supposed to buy them tonight. Thanks all.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15388
Registered: Jun-04
its true because box rise is usually much higher daily tuned
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15389
Registered: Jun-04
but your amp wont be as efficient at a half ohm which means it will be harder on your electrical so if thats an issue dont buy them
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 510
Registered: Sep-05
Yea, that's what I thought also. I can't afford to upgrade my electrical anymore right now. Thanks sean
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15390
Registered: Jun-04
your welcome
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1429
Registered: Sep-09
yah find your self some D4's and do it right.
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 511
Registered: Sep-05
That's what I am going to do. Thanks death, I was waiting for your input. LOL
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15393
Registered: Jun-04
no faith in my answer???
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 512
Registered: Sep-05
No sean, I had 100% faith in your answer. I just meant I saw that death was on and was waiting for his comment.
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 513
Registered: Sep-05
Okay, what do you guys think about this one: http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56625
Guy says it was only used for about 6 months and it used to be his buddies that was on Team Sundown. He has tons of references, so I'm not worried about that. Wondering about the 6 months of usage, is that a good deal.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15399
Registered: Jun-04
no problem eric I was just kidding with you
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 514
Registered: Sep-05
I know, I was just calrifying. No harm I know I'm not Lil Rob. LOL
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1430
Registered: Sep-09
daily setups should not count on box rise as much as you think, music is dynamic unlike a test tone. .67 ohm's is as low as i would go daily on a sundown amp without some hella electrical.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15400
Registered: Jun-04
why not buy new for 190 shipped subs can get used hard in 6 months

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/store/products/Sundown-Audio-SA%252d12.html
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 515
Registered: Sep-05
Yea, I wanted to do that but, "Sorry but this item is currently unavailable."
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15401
Registered: Jun-04
be patient and call and see when they will be in again
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 516
Registered: Sep-05
I forgot about there other internet dealers. woofersetc.com has some in stock
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15404
Registered: Jun-04
cool are they the same price?
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1431
Registered: Sep-09
a new sa-12 is 190 shipped and you know its good from the get go. but team sundown people are GENERALLY good guys. have him put up a pic of the VC reading's.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15405
Registered: Jun-04
cool same price
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 517
Registered: Sep-05
OK It's official I just ordered 2 of the SA12 D4s. Yes they are the same price. That goes for pretty much anywhere, including ebay, unless they are from a person.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15407
Registered: Jun-04
good going man....new is the way i woulda went
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1433
Registered: Sep-09
yah sundown regulates the prices so people can not charge less then x-amount but they can charge more. it's to help the dealers and make sure every one gets there money and does not haft to worrie about getting under cut a lot.
 

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Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 519
Registered: Sep-05
Thanks sean. Yea, death that's what I figured. Oh well, they are definetly worth it. Now all I need is a Sundown 2000. Need $ first though. Any one want to donate? LOL
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15408
Registered: Jun-04
LOL I need a 3k to 4 k amp myself first
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1434
Registered: Sep-09
To order any of the below items please PAYPAL us at sundownz@sundownaudio.com along with an order list (be specific) -- be SURE to have your address on the payment!

You can also order from your favorite local or online dealer -- all dealers have the option to provide these sale and pre-order prices as well.

This sale is for the USA ONLY!!!

Prices below are shipped in the continental 48 states -- contact us for shipping quotes to AK and HI.

The below pre-order items are due in December... could be anywhere from early to late December. This is the ETA -- as with all pre-sales the possibility exists for delays and there will not be ANY refunds. So please do not pre-order unless you are prepared for the wait period.

This pre-order will run until the end of November unless the amps arrive early -- in which case it ends when they arrive.

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SAZ-4500D 3rd Run
Regular - $1549
Pre-Order - $1200

SAZ-2500D 2nd Run
Regular - $775
Pre-Order - $575

SAX-200.4 (NEW ITEM)
Regular - $775
Pre-Order - $575

SAZ-1500D v.2 (NEW ITEM)
Regular - $500
Pre-Order - $425

SAZ-3500D (ran out during the September sale, added to pre-order)
Regular - $1075
Pre-order - $865

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Information on the new SAZ-1500D v.2 can be seen here:
SAZ-1500D v.2 Photos - Car Audio Classifieds

More SAZ-1500D v.2 testing will be posted when we get another new sample unit in stock.

Information on the new SAX-200.4 can be seen here:
SAX-200.4 Prototypes In - Car Audio Classifieds

Official Ratings off SAX-200.4 :

200x4 at 4 ohms
300x4 at 2 ohms
400x4 at 1 ohm
600x2 at 4 ohms
800x2 at 2 ohms

Actual tested - factory supplied figures :

210x4 at 4 ohms
350x4 at 2 ohms
465x4 at 1 ohm
665x2 at 4 ohms
925x2 at 2 ohms
- Jacob Fuller
- Owner, Sundown Audio
- Sundown Audio on FACEBOOK
- Associate, Stereo Integrity
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15411
Registered: Jun-04
im not sure what amp i want to go with
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1435
Registered: Sep-09
troy has a saz-3000d for sale
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15413
Registered: Jun-04
i dont have any money right now but i have a 12 inch dual 1 ohmer hdc3 alum coil all ready for street 1 in meca and plenty of batteries to go with my 240 amp alternator
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1436
Registered: Sep-09
budget?
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 520
Registered: Sep-05
death, if you were asking me, I have zero right now, waiting to sell my other RE and til about the middle of the month. After I sell my sub I should be able to do about $400 or so.
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1437
Registered: Sep-09
http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=54504
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 521
Registered: Sep-05
Yep, seen it, I want it so bad. I have been in contact with him.
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1438
Registered: Sep-09
good boy.
 

Silver Member
Username: Jbpitt

Pittsburgh, Pa. Usa

Post Number: 818
Registered: Jul-09
Why are you buying a sundown amp,when i can give you a hell of a deal on a nine.1?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15417
Registered: Jun-04
seems like a good deal for a sundown
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 522
Registered: Sep-05
Oh yea Sean P? How much? LOL I'm going up to 2000 watts anyway. Everything okay with the amp? I got the Clarion installed, the only thing I don't like is the touch screen is hard to push when in the EQ menu. Oh well, I'll deal with it. LOL
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15423
Registered: Jun-04
if eric passes that amp up i may be interested sean p
 

Silver Member
Username: Jbpitt

Pittsburgh, Pa. Usa

Post Number: 819
Registered: Jul-09
Yea,the amp is fine. I was a little supprised by how big an heavy it is compared to my aq1200d. Very nice amp though. You dont like the Clarion? I thought it was nice for the hour that i had it hooked up. lol Im sure you will notice quite a difference in sound compared to the P.A. too.
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 523
Registered: Sep-05
Sean P, no I love the Clarion, the only thing I don't like about it is the touch screen when your on the EQ screen, it's like I almost need a stylus to hit the right button. I have figured out how to get past this though. Other than that, I love it. Kinda have to, I sold my PA. And yes, the sound quality difference is amazing. Glad you like the amp. Yea, that thing is huge, but my Sundown is going to be bigger than that one. LOL
 

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Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1439
Registered: Sep-09
where are the pic's for updates?
 

Silver Member
Username: Jbpitt

Pittsburgh, Pa. Usa

Post Number: 821
Registered: Jul-09
^What he said. Pics?

After having that amp hooked up for a couple days ive notice quite a difference in my Q. Seems louder, a little cleaner an hits the lows a little better too. Its wierd,maybe this has do to with the 1200wrms 12.5v rating? Idk,i came across this from a bench test on an old ecoustics thread. Thought it was interesting.



Equipment used.

1 Nine.1
Installed in my 97 Nissan pickup.
stock 60A alternator
2 old yellow tops

My RF 8240 feeding a 2.1v None-Clipped input signal with the gains on the Nine.1 maxed out. Bass Boost at 0, crossover and subsonic filter turned to the highest and lowest settings respectively. 60Hz tone was used for all testing since this is where most Dmm's will read VAC most accurately.

Test equipment used was:

Fluke 31 True Rms Clamp AC Ammeter
Craftsman Pro 82357 Tru Rms Dmm
Craftsman cheapo Dmm for voltage and verification purposes.
Leader O-Scope


The amp surprised me in that it is nearly twice as heavy as my db1100's. I was not expecting that at all. The terminals are very classy, though i would prefer the speaker terminals were a little larger to make it easier to fit 8ga in. I was able to get 8ga in however, it just took a little work. A very minor complaint at best. The controls were fairly simple and i like the remote gain knob quite a bit with power and protection indicators included on the unit. The remote gain knob was NOT used for this test however.

Install was very simple as i ran 2 1' sections of 8ga each for power and ground and used 8ga speaker wire to run the amp to 2 kicker 10L7d2s to a 1/2 ohm load rated.

After about 3 dozen 1 sec burps to get the feel for the amp and the massive array of multimeter leads all over and how to read them all at once while working the radio etc and after warming the subs up quite considerably as well as draining my poor batteries.


The test results are in.

A
38.77Vac
30.27Amps
1.28 ohm load in box @60hz
1173.5 Watts RMS with the batteries at 10.9v

B
37.8Vac
30.1A
1.2 ohms
1137wrms with batteries at 10.1V


The numbers here unfortunately reflect greatly that the batteries had been toasted by this point. The best charger we had was a 6A charger and my little 60A alt was doing its best to recharge round after round of burps, but it was clearly not up to the job. I was quite impressed though that this amp took the low voltage with no trouble at all and still put out those numbers. It is clearly time for me to replace my 2 5yr old yellow tops however.


So, calculate an average of 10% increase for each volt gained, and you will find that these numbers look much much better

Test A at 13.7v would have read approx 1501w @ 1.28 ohms

Test B at 13.7v would have read approx 1547w @ 1.2 ohms

I am extremely pleased with this amplifier's performance. It never got hot, barely got warm at all as a matter of fact. It never once went into protect mode from low voltage or any other reason. The spl competitor in my appreciated that there was no protection hiccup, the amp had no trouble burping at all and was easily rolled up to max output without shutting off or popping or anything else for that matter. I didnt find a single flaw whatsoever in the performance of the amp. It had no turn on pop, no noise, nothing that shouldnt have been there. When compared to my db1100 on the exact same setup, the nine.1 was much stronger without a doubt, though i had no spl meter to do a heads up comparo with them.


Overall I am quite surprised by how well this amplifier handled the test and all of the abuse i put it through and it passed all of them with flying colors. I give the Nine.1 an A+. Congrats Ben and the team at ED on one knockout product."
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 527
Registered: Sep-05
Yea, yea, yea. I'm getting to it. I have a couple of things to do and then I will update with pics tomorrow. PROMISE LOL
Sean P, glad you like the amp, that testing sounds real good. If I weren't going up to 2K I would ask for it back, j/k lol Enjoy and be ready for updates tomorrow.
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