Archive through November 04, 2005
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New member Username: 808roncPost Number: 1 Registered: Jan-05 | If the w7 so great, why does the mtx 9500 beat the w7? Im running a single solo x 12 dual 2 ohm with a six cube slot port custom with 2 kx 2500 one for each coil. Its hitting 150 db in a 2000 4door accord and still play musical for street. |
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Silver Member Username: JeremycKunsan AfbSouth Korea Post Number: 441 Registered: Jun-04 | First MTX used the 10 in that comparision, not the 12 or the 13. Why? Because the 10 on paper does look better than the 10W7. Now in real life all 3 W7s stomp the MTX speakers. ESPECIALLY the 12 and 13 inch W7s. As for the Solo X. I have installed more kicker speakers than any other brand. So I don't have anything against them. I will also admit the Solos will get loud. However I don't feel the square design is a practicle one. It has a lower reliability than a round sub. It has a limited excursion, and suffers from increased stress points due to is shape. I also don't feel its sound quality is on par with a well made, and designed round sub. (JL W7, Eclipse TI, and so on) |
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owowowowoididididjejejeje Unregistered guest | How many watts RMS is the JL W7 B cuz I think that the 12' premier is a Awsome sub that can out play many subs |
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LiL Ray Unregistered guest | i have 2 12 inch L7's and i have over powered them with 2 jl 1000/1 amps (one per sub) for about 2 years and they still have awsome sound and are just as durable as the day i installed them so i say B.S. on the lower reliability statement in a previous post |
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Silver Member Username: Sploosh56Ohio Post Number: 525 Registered: May-04 | In my opinion the L7's are a luck of the draw. Kicker is my favorite company but a few kids around here but the L7's when they came out with thr '04 design. Only one of the 4 kids has his original set of L7's. The other all went thre a couple of them. And get this the kid who has his original subs used the crapiest amp out of all of them. A "3000" watt Boss amp. I think it pushed out more around 1100 watts when he had it tested but it pushed them L7's pretty well. They did distort after awhile. Well that's just my opinion |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3353 Registered: May-04 | There are a lot of issues to the L7s and Solo Xs, and not all of them are attributed to the square design. You do have added stress points, increasing distortion, causes flexing of the cone (reduces SPL), and since it requires more bracing than a round sub, you have added mass that hurts the driver's efficiency. The subs often suffer from lead slap, surrounds failing prematurely, and a couple of other random mechanical issues. BUT, most people buy these subs expecting SPL, and tend to torture them as such, so that contributes to the problems that you hear about them. If you're into SPL competition, then the Solos will serve their purpose, if you're looking for everyday SQ/SPL, the W7 would be my choice. It's about matching the horse to the course. |
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mikemike Unregistered guest | Hey you guys... with all of that said.. and you all have the money to get what u want.. What will it be the W-7 or the Solo X..... |
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Bronze Member Username: AaaavvPost Number: 59 Registered: Jan-05 | w7 |
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Silver Member Username: JeremycKunsan AfbSouth Korea Post Number: 505 Registered: Jun-04 | 12W7 |
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RT Unregistered guest | 13 W7 pushes a little more then the 12 but in reality id take either one |
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Gold Member Username: GlasswolfNorthWest, Michigan USA Post Number: 7501 Registered: Dec-03 | RE triple X.  |
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kyle miller Unregistered guest | the w7 suck compared to the solo x the 18 inch cna get up to 10,000 watts if u wanna riun that much the w7 suck horrible |
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Bronze Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 71 Registered: Mar-05 | Must be a Kicker retailer.. I would take a W7 over a Solo X anyday of the week. |
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Silver Member Username: TheelfkeeperStockbridge, GA USA Post Number: 178 Registered: Feb-05 | seem like about every 2 weeks, this arguement comes back up doesn't it?? |
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Bronze Member Username: IceflamekillaHartford, CT Post Number: 16 Registered: Mar-05 | The JL W7's will destroy Kicker solarbarics and MTX subwoofers. |
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Silver Member Username: Suleman36Post Number: 444 Registered: Feb-05 | JL 10W7 or 12W7 or 13W7 is the better choice. |
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T. Paul Unregistered guest | 13w6v2. Same technology, beat damn near as hard, less weight, can buy damn near twice as many with the same money over a very good, but over priced because it's over rated, W7. |
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New member Username: ClockDell Rapids, South dakota Minihaha Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-05 | you guys suck my pyle system mine pounds harder then your guys will ever so Fu*K yall |
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Bronze Member Username: AlexochoaTucson, Arizona USA Post Number: 40 Registered: Jan-05 | hehe, pyle. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 2061 Registered: Dec-04 | all take RE MT OR x.x..x or eclipse ti's over anything mentioned |
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phattygnome Unregistered guest | holly crap u guys, the solo-x is made for spl not f-in quality of sound.. if you want something that is rediculusly loud and has alright but not great sound quality go for the solo x's.. if you want something that hits like a mofo n still has quality of sound get 13w7's. like seriously.. if ur comparing a 18" square sub to a 13.5" round sub .. who the hell do u think is going to win for being loud!... in my opinion i would go for the w7's because of their sound quality!!! |
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Gold Member Username: GlasswolfNorthWest, Michigan USA Post Number: 7598 Registered: Dec-03 | basically good point there gnome. apples and oranges, but a lot of people look at numbers to compare two subs, and MTX played on that by showing superior numbers comparing a 10W7 and the 9510 sub and then stating the MTX is cheaper. It's all marketing and I agree I'd rather have a system that is tight and accurate and not quite as loud as the guy with a great SPL but horrible SQ. The RE triple X and W7 are high excursion SQ subs. Their BL curve will show that much more than comparing the Xmax of the subs to SPL based woofers. While both the RE and W7 will get extremely loud, that was never the main goal of those subs alone. They are what define SQL subs. lots of output while maintaining exceptional SQ doing it. |
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Tree Unregistered guest | I have a soundstream tarantula 1600/2 amp. and I am debating on 2 12W7's or 1 13W7(bridged). I want good sound quality, but i also want it to be real f'n LOUD, what do you think?....also what is the exact RMS on a 13W7 |
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Gold Member Username: GlasswolfNorthWest, Michigan USA Post Number: 7628 Registered: Dec-03 | the two 12W7s will be louder than a single 13W7 lok at www.jlaudio.com and click "subwoofers" they have a link there to a power handling chart showing recommended power for each subs. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 2296 Registered: Dec-04 | how about an 18 inch MT |
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Anonymous | id rather have an 18" avalanche. |
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Bigjim389 Unregistered guest | I hit 148.8 bd with 2 JL 12W7s and i can still play at a more listenable level and am astounded by the quality. to those that dont know what 148.8 bd is, go stand next to a jet engine taking off! |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 2932 Registered: Dec-04 | hah, yea my 1 15 inch eclipes ti get real loud to, hiting 146.4 tuned to 28 hrtz, man cant wait to tune that box to 45 hrtz, 152+ here i come |
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chrisbrewer Unregistered guest | i am looking to buy a 05S12L5 2 ohm do you think this is a good buy? |
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chrisbrewer Unregistered guest | i was also wandering what kind of amp i should get because the power is 1200 max and 600 rms and the sub is a dual voice coil. What do you recomend? |
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chrisbrewer Unregistered guest | i was also wandering what kind of amp i should get because the power is 1200 max and 600 rms and the sub is a dual voice coil. What do you recomend? |
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jy342793 Unregistered guest | all of u dumbass that like jl audio are f***** dumb. I have competed in sound quality for 3 years with 3 kicker solo x 18's and i have never even seen jl audio in the lanes, and thats because if there if product was good it whould be there. |
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jy342793 Unregistered guest | yes chrisbrewer i think this is a good buy but i whould get a L7 insted of a L5, but if that is what u want i whould get it. and i recomend that u get a kx.1200.1 to do it. it whould be the right amount of power not to much and not to little and u can tune the amp down. plus with kicker subs it is always better to have a little bit more power than what it says and trust me it can handle it and more. |
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Bronze Member Username: NitescortPost Number: 76 Registered: Mar-05 | I dont believe the RMS rating on a DVC sub is per coil...its total. |
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chrisbrewer Unregistered guest | will a Concept CD-810 amplifier work with the kicker 05S12L5 it says it is 1000 watts at 2 ohms but i was wandering if it would be a good choice for an amp. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3798 Registered: May-04 | "all of u dumbass that like jl audio are f***** dumb. I have competed in sound quality for 3 years with 3 kicker solo x 18's and i have never even seen jl audio in the lanes, and thats because if there if product was good it whould be there." You need to compete in a credible competition body instead of high school parking lots. Kicker Solo X 18s are some of the worst subs I could fathom in a SQ vehicle, and I'd really like to see a front stage that could keep up with that many subwoofers in both level and transition. But it is a subjective hobby, if you enjoy listening to excessive resonance, cone distortion, and loss of linearity at higher excursions, then you've found your sub. Also if you are comfortable buying a sub that has a huge failure rate, then you've also found your sub. There are a gracious plenty of winning competitors using JL Audio subwoofers in their competition vehicles, especially W3v2s and W6v2s. SQ competition judging areas aren't referred to as "lanes", they're referred to as a staging area, SPL competitions have "lanes", and even in SPL lanes the Solo X frequently gets stomped on by the likes of Digital Designs. |
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Silver Member Username: CtxPost Number: 122 Registered: Jun-04 | my funky pup 18 stomped a solo x, I ran it off a 200watt pyrimid in a 8 cuft box tuned to 12hz. oh wait j/p |
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Unregistered guest | I am also looking for a very high excursion sub I have a total of 16,000 watts just for subs I have looked at the solo x,jack hammer, atomic, and re subs can any one help |
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Unregistered guest | I am also looking for a very high excursion sub I have a total of 16,000 watts just for subs I have looked at the solo x,jack hammer, atomic, and re subs can any one help |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 3185 Registered: Dec-04 | you could wait for the jackhammer to come out, but its 6000 bucks or more |
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Bronze Member Username: LittleguyPost Number: 24 Registered: Dec-04 | I put two coffee cans together and put an 8" sub at one end, sounded great. Going to enter the high school parking lot competition. That was a good one Jon, LOL...:} |
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Big Dave Unregistered guest | anyone out there have any idea at all even "ball park" what this will hit?guessing 150-155db's. i have a fullsize bronco dynomated, and walled off behind the front seats i have 2 13.5 w7's with a jl 1000/1 on each voice coil(4 total)any input will be nice my install is taking forever, goin on third week.but cant b*tch free labor |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 1 Registered: May-05 | WOW. I had the original solobaric 15 inch D8's on a Kicker 500ss 1000 watt amp. Blew one six years after I got it. I updated to two 12 inch JL w7's purchased from Great Sounds in Dubuque, IA and paired them to a PPI PC-21400 1400 watt amp. The JL's do not have the surface area that the solos did, but by golly they come real close in bass output. If I had a third jl, I have no doubt that would let me utilize all the power out of my PPI (Thanks by the way for the amp Matt, may his soul rest in peace) and by golly these are the loudest 12 inch subs anyone has ever heard in Dubuque Iowa. These subs are clean sounding! Five out of five stars for construction and paerformance, two out of five stars for cost unfortunately. They are very expensive!!! |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3871 Registered: May-04 | "WOW. I had the original solobaric 15 inch D8's on a Kicker 500ss 1000 watt amp. Blew one six years after I got it." I'm guessing you're talking about the round Solos. They were very good subs. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 3345 Registered: Dec-04 | jonathon, why did they discontinue these subs? |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3872 Registered: May-04 | "jonathon, why did they discontinue these subs?" Because they're stupid . I don't know why they don't make another top notch SQ round sub really, they made great subs back then. I'd like to see a sub of that caliber from Kicker again, something above the Comp VR. I guess the uniqueness of a square sub helps market it, it does sell well despite it's problems. |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 2 Registered: May-05 | I had a chance to talk with an american manufacturer that actually produced the round solo for Kicker and the gentleman commented on many manufacturing defects stemming from the dual cone structure seperating if the subs were driven into distortion repeatedly. (MAN! I'd like to have that job!) I failed to mention that I also repair BIG car amps. I have repaired that 500ss that I used, I also repaired an Orion 250sx, 2250sx, that PPI PC21400, a Xtant 1001X, and a x604. I kinda modified that 500ss so instead of having only 4500 uf of power stiffinening capacitors on the high voltage side, I replaced the bank with a 120,000 uf capacitor bank. Obviously this would not fit in the amplifier, so I had to bolt a box to the side of the amp, but the cleanest sounding amplifier was the result. The only reason why I am still not using this amp now is that it can only handle 4 ohms bridged and granted that my w7's are 3 ohms each, I just can't extract much power from my amp very well. But now the PPI is better suited to this task and with its lower ohm handling ability. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3873 Registered: May-04 | The main problem you'd have from the round Solos is that they were VERY picky about their enclosure, they were strictly a sealed box subwoofer. |
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Unregistered guest | you think you know your NUGS...... please help i have a 99 astro and want to try 2 of the new solo X S 18 INCH.I HAVE 4 XTANT 1001X CLASS D AMPS AND A MA AUDIO 5 FARED CAP... AND A OPTIMA YELLOW TOP I JUST SOUND DEADEND THE WHOLE VAN FOR THE MOST INSANE BASS AND I DO MEAN INSANE BASS SEALED OR PORTED.... BUILD A WALL OR NOT THANKS 4 YOUR TIME MIKE |
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Unregistered guest | whats better 12w7's or eclipse titanium sw912's? |
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Unregistered guest | whats better 12w7's or eclipse titanium sw912's? W7's cost more so does it make them better? |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 3603 Registered: Dec-04 | ECLIPSE! |
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New member Username: DchowPost Number: 1 Registered: May-05 | Bigjim389 "I hit 148.8 bd with 2 JL 12W7s" I dont know why everyone seems to hate mtx so much? I set my system up for sq but I still hit 150 db with only: single 12" mtx 9500 sub sledgehammer ported box getting 568 watts rms from my 801d amp That based on what bigjim says my single mtx hits harder then his 2 jl w7's, so in my opinion mtx works, and works well! |
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Unregistered guest | i just got a 12 solo x and happened to come across a 12 w7 for sale so i have them both. they are going in the back of my extended cab silverado both running off their own kicker 1200.1 amp. how do you guys think it will do? |
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czar_dom Unregistered guest | just wondering if 2 jl 500.1 amps would be strong enough for 2 jl 10W7 ? |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 3 Registered: May-05 | Oh yeah... they will eat em' alive. One of my buddies has 1 10 inch w7 on a 500.1 and the low frequencies make that woofer move. |
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New member Username: 808roncWaianae, HI USA Post Number: 3 Registered: Jan-05 | digtal design or kicker solo x for spl? The jl's is good not super loud can't handle a lot of power. Not good for spl and this year alot of guys had dd subs with concept amp. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 3981 Registered: Dec-04 | dd |
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New member Username: SpyderEglin AFB, Florida USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05 | HEHE i don't know what kinda comps you guys are going to but with 2 W3's i out hit 2 titaniums in a escort with a vented box. granted it wasn't by much but i kinda lost my respect for them after that. sad thing is the w7 will lose in a SPL contest against a titanium. might be louder but they don't meter worth a crap. personally i would go for what actually sounds better. i shopped around for a long while before i chose a w7....i heard em all in my car before i chose what to buy... most shops will put one in your car and let you hear it before you make a choice....atleast where i live they did if they really want your business. i would go with what ever sounds good to you.....if you want high numbers go kicker....if you want SQL with a decent SPL go W7! |
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bill steveington Unregistered guest | my two 05 L7 12's will crush your shits |
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Chris Brewer Unregistered guest | I have a Kicker S12L5 dual 2 ohm and I am wanting to wire it to a 1 ohm load and I was wandering what kind of amp you think I should get to do this? The sub is 600 RMS and 1200 max. I was thinking about an Orion 600D amplifier and I was wandering if this is a good amp for the job or not. |
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tReVoR UjfRjbOplKi Unregistered guest | you are all idiots the solo x would blow all others i have 2 solo x 18" and four 5,000 watt amps bet you can't handle it GET OFF ME HO |
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tReVoR UjfRjbOplKi Unregistered guest | my bad i hit the 2 instead of the 3 SOLO X HA! |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 239 Registered: Jun-05 | The W7 is a sound quality driver...kicker solo-x is a pure SPL driver...who comes up with these comparisons??? for a good debate, compare brahma mkII, re XXX, W7, mmats juggernaut, and eclipse TI's in the 15" and 13.5" for W7...the solox will slam a W7 in SPL...w7 is for daily driver...solox is not designed to be for the daily driver...it even says on kickers description that the sub isn't made for everyone lol if you want serious db's...then you go solo-x...they will destroy the w7 in spl...but the w7 will destroy the solox in SQ...simply stated...this is probably the worst comparison i've seen because it is all based on taste and what you are looking for. |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 240 Registered: Jun-05 | the one clear advantage that the solox has over the w7 is the part assembly...if the solox blows...no big deal...much cheaper to replace than the w7. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 4249 Registered: May-04 | "the one clear advantage that the solox has over the w7 is the part assembly...if the solox blows...no big deal...much cheaper to replace than the w7." Kind of like crappy cars that are made easy to maintain. It's done for a reason. |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 241 Registered: Jun-05 | Eclipse Ti Pro's have that too...and are arguably the best sub on the market...18" is a $1300 sub lol...IMO it's done for convience... |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 248 Registered: Jun-05 | JL W7's also have odd wiring configurations to 1.5 ohms or 3.0 ohms...you won't get optimum performance out of any amplifier except for the ones that JL makes. The W7 is overrated...many people just claim it "the best" because it's the most expensive in each of its sizes... I believe that the slash series amplifiers is one of the most useful amplifiers on the market with its flexibility (ability to put out the same power between 1.5 - 4 ohms)...this feature makes it an amplifier that you could use for years and is truly worth the money, not to mention the clarity of it...IMO, JL Audio should be known more for their amplifiers rather than their subs as pretty much anybody that hooks up a 500/1, 1000/1 to any sub, is happy with it, whereas not everyone is happy with how the w7 sounds...but it seems the hype of the W7 over shadows the amplifiers. |
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THE1NONLY Unregistered guest | WHATS BETTER 3 12"W3V2 OR 2 12"W6V2????? |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 311 Registered: Jun-05 | I'd go with the w6v2's...never heard the w3v2's...but i love the w6v2's sound quality...it's excellent with a good amount of punch too. |
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Fresno Killafornia Unregistered guest | Kicker Squares will rip your W7's, I run 3 2004 12" L7's in my 4door 1988 olds 88 , It comes to 160 db, And thats off 4 2003 1600w mean machine amps... I have won 16 first place trophies in over 13 major car-shows, so i HIGHLY recomend Kicker squares, You idiots Blow them so fast because your saposed to break them in at medium vloume for about a week, Kicker squares are the ONLY sub i will go with... |
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kr879 Unregistered guest | I have a 10 inch W7 in a custom ported box with a JL grill. Also a Memphis 1600D amplifier. Will sell with wires for 700 dollars. About 4 months old. If anyone is interested email me at kr879@aol.com |
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Gold Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 9435 Registered: Dec-03 | never said an L7 or soloX wasn't louder than a W7.. they just severely lack the SQ of a W7.. it's apples and oranges. the kickers are SPL subs. the W7 is an SQL sub with the main focus on the SQ part. Breaking them in or not, I've seen far far too many kciker subs fail due to their design flaws. blown coils, lead separation, cone failure, surround failure.. even with properly set amplifiers, not being overpowered, using a SSF, and properly built and tuned enclosure, and being broken in and not pushed to their limits or into the peak output distortion of class D amps.. and they still fall apart on a regular basis.. and it hurts to admit these subs suck so badly, since I've sold and dealt with kicker personally for 15 years, and I know some of their engineers. While I'm glad you've won SPL events and car shows, I assure you I'm not an idiot. I am however, an electrical engineer and master installer with a background in acuostics and a lot of professional and event experience. I also used to compete semi-professionally in IASCA circuit. anyway this thread is old, and should be left to die. I don't know why you even bothered to drag it up after so long other than as an excuse to brag about the trophies heh I'm just not that interested in SPL events. I compete in SQ now, and pretty much always have. |
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Anonymous | i got 2 MTX 9500 12's hooked up to a ta81001 class d amp in two seperate custom fiberglass sledgehammers in a 2005 colorado extreme. they are almost unbearable when turned up. Hitting 159db even on the dash, and extreme sq at high volume. I'm solid MTX audio MTX all the way...... |
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oiijwoj Unregistered guest | ijhdo`SOLOX |
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circross Unregistered guest | Im planning to buy a KICKER SOLO X 5,000 watt RMS 10,000 watt 18" woofer. but my question is.. how much do you think the amplifier will cost me for this sub and wich one could be the best option... |
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Gold Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 9917 Registered: Dec-03 | let this damned thread die already. If you want to ask something about those dumb square subs, START A NEW THREAD! |
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Brother Unregistered guest | The SoloX 18" sub is the best with its 10,000 watts and it 5,000 watts of RMS you just can not go wroung. |
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Silver Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 631 Registered: Jun-05 | jbl and soundstream make good options for the subwoofer...so does us amps...if you buy that sub...be prepared to spend lots...i.e. batteries, alternator, cap, amp, etc) |
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Unregistered guest | JL audio sucks, its a rip off, its just an over priced brand. I got 2 12" L5's in a sealed enclosure hooked up to a D1200 Directed amp class D running at 1 ohm and it pounds. Sets off alarms and turns heads every where i go. causes head and ear aches for my passengers..ha ha ha |
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Anonymous | JL Audio doesn't suck, they are overpriced, but they are among the top of the line subs based on performance, not price. Have a nice day. |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 4 Registered: May-05 | This whole battle over what is better is getting old. Let time show which sub is better- The better sub will still be pounding away years from now and will still be being sold whereas the losing one will be found in pawn shops and trash bins. I have had my W7's for a year now and they are not showing a single sign of fatigue, anybody else have any input on this topic of life expectancy? |
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Anonymous | yeah, i do, ask any L7 owner how long they had their "first" one when and if they ran the maximum recommended RMS power to it. lol |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 4795 Registered: May-04 | The W7 is custom tooled in house by JL, the only thing JL does not custom make for the subwoofer are the screws that mount them to the MDF board that the sub is packed in. The L7 is a mass produced in China. There is an enormous amount of difference in these subwoofers, including their intended application. Anybody that does not realize the quality difference is simply ignorant and trying to justify lesser equipment. The L7 is an SPL subwoofer and ONLY an SPL subwoofer. Nobody cares about long term reliability when you're burping a subwoofer with 10,000 watts, Kicker included. That was the purpose of these subwoofers, and will always be their purpose. That being said, the W7 is tons more reliable than the L7 will ever be. |
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New member Username: Casey_wPost Number: 1 Registered: Sep-05 | i have 2 12" w7s with 2 1000/1 jl amps in my 87 cutlass supream i was looking at the 18" solo x do you think i should get the solo x or stick with the w7s |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL USA Post Number: 1497 Registered: Aug-05 | stick with the W7's. |
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seattle newb Unregistered guest | im tired of these stupid 10 year olds that come on here like "OH YEA WELL I GOT 3 SOLOX 18 BECAUSE THATS WHAT I HEARD IS THE BIGGEST SUB AND IM JUST LYING BECAUSE I ACT LIKE LIFE IS A BIG ELEMENTARY SCHOOL" GROW THE %!%K UP YOU #@&(ING SCRUBS. YOU DONT HAVE 3 SOLOX 18s YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A CAR YET. SO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO WHAT THE REAL HEADS HAVE TO SAY. IVE BEEN JUST READING THREADS AND YOU GUYS TRASH IT. ITS LIKE WHEN YOURE 5 YEARS OLD AND SAYING "OH YEA MY DADS A COP AND A FIREMAN AND HELL BEAT UP YOUR DAD" ITS THAT $#!%ING IMMATURE. GET WITH THE MOTHER $#&*ING PROGRAM. PEACE OUT. and to the people with actual good info, thank you, and keep up the good work. |
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reality Unregistered guest | he is right! no 1 subwoofer is the best! but i will say that the w7 is highly over rated and it will never win any spl competitions, with that in mind use this to help you w7=sound quality solo x= spl and thats all thats need to be said! |
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wildsubs Unregistered guest | jl is junk like audiobahn! reality is right! all u people who think ur cool because u got jl is real stupid because u got tricked by advertisement! jl will not compete in the world series because they cant! every one who owns a jl is just a follower who is afraid if they choose a diferent brand people would not respect it! just to let u know people who own w7s drool over my orion h2s because it has both spl and sq and over all it bumps like a real beast, w7 suck! jl fans; go to a usaci sound off and see if u see any jls |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 4833 Registered: May-04 | "all u people who think ur cool because u got jl is real stupid because u got tricked by advertisement!" Or that some of us have dealt with their equipment on a professional level for years, in which JL has brought home many trophies in the competition scene every since they began widespread distribution. Not just SQ, SPL as well. There are plenty of JL subs that have been in systems that hit in the 170s, as well as setting records in numerous different power classes. Those that don't compete, or don't know what they are talking about *cough cough* wouldn't know that. For a long period of time, JL subs were used in over 30% of IASCA competition vehicles. "every one who owns a jl is just a follower who is afraid if they choose a diferent brand people would not respect it!" How to earn respect: Build superior equipment Have excellent customer service and support Build your company based on fair business practices and develop product that continues to raise the bar for others to be compared to. Focus on the essentials that are important for the music, instead of bling factor and eye candy to catch the attention of kids that don't know any better. Market your product effectively, tastefully, and in moderation. JL has accomplised all of the above. The respect was earned. "just to let u know people who own w7s drool over my orion h2s" The drool was the aftermath of the big loogie they spat upon your H2s after seeing and hearing them. If you want to argue, begin by: 1) Speaking as if you have a general education 2) Using subjective data to back up your claims 3) Knowing what you are talking about |
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wildsubs again Unregistered guest | wow jonathan! must like your jl's! fact is im a world champ, and the bottom line is that DD, Crosfire, kicker, and Orion, are out of jls league! but i see u got tricked like every one else by jl! did u for get i sell jl! i personaly know most of their reps! and my system will bump what ever u have away 4 sure! i have more trophies than you do teath, so before u chater them, i can fill them, and u will learn what real audio is! get off jl's nuts! i use 2 have 3 13.5 w7s each on memphis mojos, ported to spec! I also had all the other brands i mentioned above! i have the experience of more better equpiment than u KID! u got nothing on me! go bump ur jls in ur lil junky car! while i go back to kansas city next month and become a world champ again OK! |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 4835 Registered: May-04 | "fact is im a world champ, and the bottom line is that DD, Crosfire, kicker, and Orion, are out of jls league!" True, on a lower rung of the ladder. Those you mentioned also cannot compare with Dynaudio (which I'm using), Rainbow, Morel, DLS, Focal, Image Dynamics, SEAS, Scan-Speak, CDT, and many others. "and my system will bump what ever u have away 4 sure!" My system doesn't "bump", "thump", "hit". It plays music, which was my goal. If I gave two shits about SPL, I'd get two DD 9917s and pack tons of power on them. I use an ID Max, BTW, not defending JL because I use them, but because I sold their equipment for years and have used plenty of JL subs in the past. "i have more trophies than you do teath, so before u chater them, i can fill them, and u will learn what real audio is!" *teeth *chatter "i use 2 have 3 13.5 w7s each on memphis mojos, ported to spec!" I would think a "world champ" would be intelligent enough to design his own better box instead of sticking to spec. In fact, I don't remember a single world champion building anything to spec. "i have the experience of more better equpiment than u KID!" If the above mentioned equipment is your "experience", I'll pass on it. I got past mid-level asian built equipment (DD being the exception) a long time ago. "while i go back to kansas city next month and become a world champ again OK!" USACI, or IASCA? My guess is that you are into SPL in a low power class, throw together some crappy looking boxes with wires all over the trunk/hatch, and call yourself an audiophile because you have a trophy in something related to car audio. Either way, given your choice of equipment "Champ", you wouldn't know SQ if it slapped you in the face. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4448 Registered: Nov-04 | How in the world can you diss JL like that? I mean, you don't have to love it, but to flatly say it's garbage, is pure ignorance. I am not too fond of JL's amp cause of the high price, but I always say it is a great amp nevertheless. Do you even know what SQ is?? |
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Bronze Member Username: SpyderEglin AFB, Florida USA Post Number: 100 Registered: Jun-05 | So a series of amps that can put out a high amount of power such as the 1000/1 at any voltage from 10.5 and up and 1.5 ohms to 4 ohms. is junk. you must be pretty retarded! look into facts and start using ebay a little more often and you to someday can have a good sounding system. i run a JL sub in my car but i don't put em on the best in the business pedistal. And to defend the W7.....on 1100 watts of power in a sealed box i just broke 150 on a single 12. with windows up and on the dash. and i expect to hit atleast 155 in a vented box!! and it still sounds better then any L7 or solox i have ever heard!! |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 5 Registered: May-05 | One day my friends were comparing sound systems in the parking lot where we work (an aerospace corp.) After listening to all of their systems, which by the way ranged from Orion H2's to a wall of Clarion subs, all taking up horrendous amounts of space, I decided to let them into my realm of actually owning a car that still had trunk space for at least two bodies, no need for heavy duty shocks for the added weight, and still have a kick @ss sound system. I did not let them see the subs- only hear them and then let them guess what I had. Oh, how I love this game. They guys wagered that it had to be at least two 15 inch subs that took up my whole trunk, as the low frequency output seemed endless, but with limited midbass. They were right about one thing- It was only two subs. Two JL audio 12W7's to be exact. One amp. A PPI PC1400 = 1400 watt rms output. Honestly, for all of you tech types out there, it is not even that as this amp is designed for 2 ohm loads, not 3 ohm like the w7's, and its running stereo to keep the damping factor down = much tighter and lower bass. I popped the trunk and showed them the small sealed box. Their reply? That's all there is? Moral of the story, quality, not quantity. Also, anyone can build a SPL system these days, and it usually starts like this- "I was at Walmart and they got this amp on sale and..." Why build a system that you cannot even stand to be in the car? I'd rather take the time to design something that people would LIKE listening to, and undoubtedly actually took some rational thought.   |
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Silver Member Username: SpyderEglin AFB, Florida USA Post Number: 111 Registered: Jun-05 | nice setup their.....looks like someone took their time and setup something right......can't go wrong with the old PPI stuff!! |
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Brian Hauber Unregistered guest | My family owns Great Sounds, I sell Kicker Squares and JL Audio. I have had just about every combo in multiple vehicles and JL wins hands down. I currently have an 8L7. Good sound quality but get a 12 or 15 and it will sound like sh!t. Great SPL but no SQ. Ive had way more Kicker Squares blow over JL and thats a fact. Thanks for the biz Peter! |
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Unregistered guest | I currently run 2 15" L7s powered by 2 Infinity 1210a amplifiers in a sealed enclosure, all in the back of a Ford Focus ZX3. For all those sound quality experts, the sub is only one of the many important parts of the stereo, as well as the components, amplifiers, receiver, sound dampening material, signal wire, speaker wire, power wire, speaker placement, and about every single other detail in the audio installation. The system in my car is phenomenal as a daily driver, I have yet to attend any competitions in it, since I only completed it a few short weeks ago. But I have had several audio experts listen to it and agree, that it is basically the best sonic experience that they have ever had. The Kicker subs are there to round out the stereo, not to actually be the stereo, anyone can have the most bass or the best sound quality, the people who really turn heads are the ones that are the ones who are the most flexible. The rest of my stereo includes 100 square feet of Dynamat, Zero Noise 6 signal cables, 10 guage speaker wire to all the high frequency equipment, 4 guage to the subs, 0 guage power wire, Batcap 800, a Sony MDX-9905x head unit, 2 sets of 6.5" Alpine Type X components, 2 sets of Kicker SSMB8, 2 Infinity 1210a and 2 Infinity 7540a amplifiers, and the 2 15" Kicker Solobaric L7's." This stereo cleans up in every category. I can listen to every type of music imaginable and not be dissappointed by a single aspect of the system. I never say, "oh, the subs sound distorted in this one," or "the highs just can keep up." As far as the amount of bass goes, there could be more, but that would be just plain ridiculous, you can already hear my car from 1.5 miles away, more bass would be entirely pointless; driving with hearing protection is illegal, and driving without it and the stereo cranked is just plain idiotic. As far as durablity is concerned, I have actually been using these subs for well over a year now and they have yet to show any signs of punishment, there are not even any scratches on the cones, and I abuse my stereo, I push the volume to the extremes daily. I listen to a wide variety of music, mostly just to impress myself with the quality of the stereo, but also because I like it. This allows me to give a truthful summation of my stereo's sound As far as rap goes, the stereo has never let me down. All the vocals are clear and precise and the uncommon bass lines found in many songs, that come out terribly on lessor stereos, sound brilliant with the L7s. For example, "40 Ounce" by D12 has a series of tonal drops in the very beginning that most stereos shortchange, and follows with booming low frequency bass. Both of these sound accurate and loud. Perfect even. Now on to rock. I am sure that most of the W7 fanatics use this category to try to dissuade potential Kicker buyers. By doing this, you are depriving the would-be buyers of the best sonic experience they could possibly have. As far as sound quality goes, everything is flawless, from the velvety voice of Vanessa Carlton, to the pounding basslines of Disturbed, not a single detail is cheapened by the L7s. The L7s offer the unmatchable sound quality you expect from a subwoofer, but add the gut rattling experience to every song, no sub can create this experience as well as the L7. Now, not everyone listens to rock music and rap, so I have included a few other categories to explain the true bliss of this stereo. Listening to The University of Michigan Marching Band was one of the most exciting things ever done in a vehicle. The stereo picks up every note, up from the largest bass drum, to the highest piccolo, no instrument is shortchanged. The Cherry Poppin' Daddies, while not everyone's favorite band, made an audio expert, who was riding in my car at the time call the sound "Priceless," he has never heard anything better in his entire life. Aftermartket stereos in today's cars have become a nuisance to the general public. Often times people will give menacing scowls to those bumping their system down the street. In my car I rarely get that, most of the time, I find people roll down their windows, in order to bask in the joy of being one of the few people that can experience the true sonic bliss that is my stereo. |
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Unregistered guest | OMG! That "TNT HE" fucka ain't playin' around!! That bi-atch has top of the line amps, speakers, wire, mat, everything!!!! That guy's even sportin the BatCap!!! If you ain't got a BatCap yo stereo aint shizznit!!!! Seriously when you need that, no scratch that, when you know what it is and know you need it you are the shizznizzle! He's my new God! I have (2) Two 05S15L7 too, but mine are vented in my 99 Ford Ranger XLT 4X4 Extended Cab. That "TNT HE" guy isnt lying about the 1.5 miles tho, that I can vouch for because i measured mine at around 1 full mile and my box isn't the best and my amps arnt as devastating as his pair of Infinity 1210a which according to everyone in the industry pump out around 1600 watts constant. They crush my puny pair of JL 1000/1 amps. I wish i hadn't wasted my cash on these shitty JL amps!!! But on the bright side, atleast I didnt fall for all that bull JL sub hype! I meant my friend's gf did and it sounds like total seman bath outside the car....and inside....WORSE!!! I mean have you ever given someone a swirly and wondered what it sounded like in the toilet bowl? Like a pair of JL W7 subs in a hatchback...supposedly the best cars for SPL and SQ. Thank you KICKER for saving us all from shitty brands like JL and Audiobahn. |
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New member Username: BallerinstallerCedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 6 Registered: May-05 | Ok guys, anybody can write a story about a dream system, and unfortunately I see it waaaaay to much in these forums, so if you feel the need to tell us about your "Massive System", please include photographs to back up what you got. I am sure we all want to see how you have installed your unique system so we can provide positive feedback on your design, or maybe even borrow from your design. Otherwise for all you posers out there that just daydream what you got, get back out there and make a paycheck to make your dreams come true, and then show us your system. You can view pics of my system in a previous post in this forum. |
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