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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 464 Registered: Sep-05 | i got MY SX today and it is awesome it isnt really much louder than my 2 vmaxes, a little i think, but it has way better SQ. i think its not very loud because i need a better amp. i think i will get i orion 1200D but im not sure yet what else will be better than my BX1205 for a resonable price i know the kicker 1200.1 but those may be a little expensive what about a viper 1200D? (i should probly stick this on the amp section but whatever) |
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Bronze Member Username: ___Pittsburgh, PA U.S.A. Post Number: 62 Registered: Mar-06 | I have a kicker kx1200.1 amp for sale it works perfectly and I will let it go for 250 shipped if you are interested or have any questions email me at joe_grimm1967@yahoo/com |
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Bronze Member Username: ___Pittsburgh, PA U.S.A. Post Number: 63 Registered: Mar-06 | joe_grimm1967@yahoo.com |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 6187 Registered: Jul-05 | good price here http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/1331779/vpcsid/0 /SFV/30046 in fact i'm thinking of buying 1 ........ |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5343 Registered: Dec-04 | I would take that Kicker over that orion any day I love those kicker amps. Thats a good price also. |
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Silver Member Username: NemenTrinidad & Tobago West... Post Number: 321 Registered: Dec-05 | definately post pics of your set up when youre done terry. |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 6188 Registered: Jul-05 | can u elaborate james ????........ |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5345 Registered: Dec-04 | the kicker is rated at 12 volts while the orion is rated at 14.4 volts. Kicker is highly underrated, Orion a tad overrated, Better s/n ratio on the kicker, better damping factor, You will get more then double the power from the kicker 1200 then you will from the orion 1200. If you want to compare amps compare the kicker 600.1 to the orion 1200.1 thats more of a comparison, atleast power wise. |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1300 Registered: Jan-05 | what kicker amps are rated at 12volts? the guy i talked to at the local kicker dealer said they're rated at 13.8 volts. and james which do you think is a better amp the kx1200.1 or RE12.1? |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 467 Registered: Sep-05 | i think i read orion was rated at 13.8 volts and i can get it about 50 bucks cheaper than that rovin (not gonna say where cuz they have low stock and i want might one), but once again arises the question of amperage draw because my lights are already dimming i will post pics as soon as i find time i will probably get the orion as soon as i conjure up some more $$$, little low cuz i just dropped 290 bucks on that sub and close to 50 for the box i biult 4 it |
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Bronze Member Username: PanochaPost Number: 51 Registered: Jun-05 | I will go with the kicker that guy jim is selling thats a good deal. |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 468 Registered: Sep-05 | got they pics but how do you post them? the upload/attachment button isnt working right, are they too big? |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 469 Registered: Sep-05 | hey it didnt bump |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5347 Registered: Dec-04 | you need to resize them in paint |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 471 Registered: Sep-05 | how do i do that im in paint with the picture, but its huge, now what |
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Silver Member Username: RhasslerGilford, NH Post Number: 576 Registered: Dec-04 | yeah im pretty sure the orion is rated at 13.8 volts |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 472 Registered: Sep-05 | i knew i saw that somewhere |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2320 Registered: Mar-04 | the kicker KX1200.1 it rated at: 1200wrms at 1ohm @ 14.4V 1050wrms at 1ohm @ 12.5V the orion is rated at: 1200wrms at 1ohm @ 13.8V both are CEA compliant. |
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Bronze Member Username: ___Pittsburgh, PA U.S.A. Post Number: 86 Registered: Mar-06 | terry if you want my amp I will sell it to you for 200 shipped you cant beat that price and I will gurantee that it works perfect and is in excellent condition or I will return all of your money. If you or anyone else is interested email me and I will invoice you through paypal. joe_grimm1967@yahoo.com  |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2321 Registered: Mar-04 | jim...check your pm |
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Silver Member Username: Biggyg9712Post Number: 245 Registered: Sep-05 | jim, sent you a email. |
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Silver Member Username: Biggyg9712Post Number: 246 Registered: Sep-05 | do u have any refs? or a ebay name or anyhitng? |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 328 Registered: Jan-06 | If you don't buy it, I will! Polo30@Ameritech.net I can hit you with PayPal if you want. Oh by the wat the KX and SX are listed 1200wrms at 13.8V and SX 1250 at 13.8v, I have both manuals and own two sx's. I have also aked Terry, a tech over at Kicker. Polo.. |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 329 Registered: Jan-06 | Oh one other thing, Terry, wait till that thing losens up and get some more power on it. Also if you need to add a little bass boost to it, Polo..  |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 474 Registered: Sep-05 | that it a really good deal jim, but im gonna have to pass cuz i have 50 buck to my name and i dont get paid for 2 weeks... i will just save up and find somthing how longs it take to losen it up? |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 476 Registered: Sep-05 | i donno, i was thinking of really saving up and getting this beacuse i like these amps and its really small so i con mount it without haveing to reconfiure my setup http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/4358 any thoughts about that |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2326 Registered: Mar-04 |
thats weird...on i got my info from the manuals on kickers site. |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 331 Registered: Jan-06 | Ya it is weird, I am holding the manuals, lol. Either way they pound nicely! |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5350 Registered: Dec-04 | The Orion 1200 is only a 600 watt amp but strappable to 1200. Isnt that the comparison here the orion 1200 against the kicker 1200? there is no comparison the kicker is double the power. If you want a comparison you compare the orion 2400 and the kicker 1200. I would still take the kicker! |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 478 Registered: Sep-05 | wait a sec, the orion is only 600watts RMS @ 1 ohm? i thought it was 1200??? actually i could have swarn it and still what about the US amp, i think i might take it over the kicker based on what iver heard about that company and its not much more |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5354 Registered: Dec-04 | us amps makes great stuff. The orion 1200 is 600x 1@ 1 ohm |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 6228 Registered: Jul-05 | James is on 2 something there cause i just checked it on Orion's site & they list it in MAX !!!!!!!!!!!!!........ |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5356 Registered: Dec-04 | http://directed.com/coms.asp |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2329 Registered: Mar-04 | the 2005 orion 1200d is 1200wrms @ 1ohm. (the crome one) http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/1331779/vpcsid/0 /SFV/30046 the new 2006 orion HCCA-D1200 is 600w @ 1ohm. http://www.orioncaraudio.com/amps/Dmono.asp |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5359 Registered: Dec-04 | alright got ya! I was just going by the specs on the web site and didnt realize they were two different amps. My bad boys |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 6231 Registered: Jul-05 | WTF ! -so the orion 1200D does 1200WRMS @ 1ohms ??? right ..... |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 6232 Registered: Jul-05 | https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/205843.html |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 332 Registered: Jan-06 | Ya but the 5000D only puts out think it was 2500 wrms, doesn't make any sense to me, lol. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2334 Registered: Mar-04 | Polo, the WEST COAST CUSTOMS 5000D is just a rebadged 2500d (2003-2005model). Both the WCC-5000d and the 2500d are the same amp...in fact, if you take that huge WCC part off the heat-sink, is says "2500D". The new 2006 model HCCA's are rated like this: HCCA-D600....300wrms HCCA-D1200...600wrms HCCA-D2500...1200wrms HCCA-D5000...2500wrms. But the 2003-2005model orion class-d amps are: 300D...300wrms 600D...600wrms 1200D...1200wrms 2500D...2500wrms |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2335 Registered: Mar-04 | http://cgi.ebay.com/Orion-2500d-amp-Wcc-D5000-amp-5000-watt-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQit emZ5874811387QQcategoryZ18797QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ^^^that amp is an orion 2500d (2003-2005model) w/ extra "art" on the heatsink. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1526 Registered: Sep-05 | damn it, this is funny.. listen to marshall he knows.. notice the location of "D" the newer orions use the D before the numbers... this is its MAX power.. if the "D" is used after the number, its the RMS power... so a 2500d is 2500rms an a d5000 is 2500rms. its not that hard.. same goes for a d2400= 1200rms etc etc |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 479 Registered: Sep-05 | i see i see, so the one i am looking at is 1200 RMS hah, got confusing for a sec but i dont know, i think i still want that US amps amp, and that is a brand that i trust to be at least slightly underrated plus i like stuff made in the US i might just save up for a long time and get that |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1531 Registered: Sep-05 | us amps is a killer amplifier... but also remember older orions are rated at 13.8v... so it is underated a bit... most companies rated @ 14.4v now the new orion lineup is rated at 14.4v... |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1532 Registered: Sep-05 | i would pick the US Amps still, lol |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 480 Registered: Sep-05 | yea that would be good, ill give it some thought and save up some money |
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Gold Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 2915 Registered: Oct-05 | when i had the kicker kx1200.1 the birthsheet on it said 1440. i am assuming that is at 14.4volts. so at below 14.4v it would still give you decent rms. |
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Silver Member Username: JohnnylemoineLaPlace, Louisiana United States Post Number: 585 Registered: Aug-04 | dam marshall, i wish i would have seen this hread earlier i would have backed u up all the way. lol marshall knows wut hes talkin bout, i have the "WCC" orion amp, it just has a sticker over the orion logo on the heatsink. it is an ORION 1200D and it does 1200 watts RMS @ 1ohm. and it is strappable for 2400 watts. oh and i saw someone mention the RE 12.1, i would go with that amp if u have the money, it does 1467 prolly at 14v. the guy i bought my XXX 12 from had one pushin the XXX and he had it bench tested. but my orion 1200D pushes my XXX fine and it also pushed the hell out of my SX 12. great amp especially becuz of the intelliQ. |
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Gold Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 2934 Registered: Oct-05 | what do you guys think about pushing the xxx 15 with two jl audio 1000/1? since the amps can't be strapped i was thinking one amp per voice coil. |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 482 Registered: Sep-05 | i dont know, i was listening to my new sub earier and i dont think its quite as loud as when i have the 2 v-maxs, but im not sure, but it does have better SQ. is it because i need to feed it more power? or is it becuase its tuned lower? or what it might be my imagination but the SX should be louder right? does it need to be broken it b4 it gets louder? i am pretty sure the sub will take alot more |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1309 Registered: Jan-05 | RE12.1 vs ORION 1200d vs KX1200.1 Which one would you choose? |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 485 Registered: Sep-05 | i would take the cheapest |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2288 Registered: Sep-04 | im not telling you to turn your gain up, but how did you tune your amp? |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 486 Registered: Sep-05 | i kinda played with the knobs untill it sounded ok the gain is right i belive, but it might be a little low, i have a 860HU w/ 6.5v preamps so i tryed to get it as clase to that as possible, my lowPF is probly around 120 hz what else is there? |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2290 Registered: Sep-04 | well you only need to play the sub up til about 80hz but... if you can get ur hands on a dmm you can find out exactly how much power the sub is getting. |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 487 Registered: Sep-05 | how do i get that, and wht is it? digital somthing meter? |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2296 Registered: Sep-04 | digital multimeter. any of your friends or parents know anything about electricity? because then they will prolly have one. i paid 100 for a true rms dmm and clamp meter. |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 488 Registered: Sep-05 | whered you get it? and so it tells you exactly hawmany watts your putting out? or do you have to calculate it? |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2343 Registered: Mar-04 | terry, what kinda vehicle and box do you have that sub in? (tuning and size) |
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Silver Member Username: Terry6405Sullivan, IN US Post Number: 489 Registered: Sep-05 | its a 89 accord in a 3.6 cu ft box tuned to 32 hz |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2298 Registered: Sep-04 | you have to calculate it. i bought mine off ebay |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2344 Registered: Mar-04 | is this an SX15? Volts x amps = watts but if you have the sub hooked up when you tune the amp w/ a multimeter...you will get messed up results. try unhooking the sub and put the meter's leads on the terminals on the amp....set the meter to AC volts and run a 60hz tone to it w/ the HU volume to ~3/4 volume. set the bass boost to 0dB and turn gain up until the meter reads about 30-31V. (this should give you ~1000wrms w/ the volume set to 3/4) ***warning---this does not take into account that your amp may not produce 1000wrms*** |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2299 Registered: Sep-04 | marshall, would there be a noticable difference in tuneing with 50hz and 60hz. i always used 50hz because JL says so lol. and btw marshall i think he has pics up in a thread if you want to see his box. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2345 Registered: Mar-04 | by the way...if you get a multimeter w/ an amp-clamp, you can calculate box rise and actual power the sub is seeing at any given freq. this is the meter i have: http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=0 3482014000 to find box rise: Volts / amps = ohms power: volts x amps = watts your box rise will be the highest just about your boxes tuning freq....your sub will see different amounts of power at different freq. (this is because of box rise) |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2300 Registered: Sep-04 | j/w mmarshal, is it okay to hook up your dmm to the amp outputs while a speaker is playing off it and reading the frequency? i know your not suposed to read the resistance during but is frequency okay? |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 2347 Registered: Mar-04 | yea...you can read freq w/ the speaker hooked up. |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 344 Registered: Jan-06 | try unhooking the sub and put the meter's leads on the terminals on the amp....set the meter to AC volts and run a 60hz tone to it w/ the HU volume to ~3/4 volume. set the bass boost to 0dB and turn gain up until the meter reads about 30-31V. (this should give you ~1000wrms w/ the volume set to 3/4 How's the amp going to put out the power without a load? Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1551 Registered: Sep-05 | tips not to blow a DMMs internal fuse! guys, voltage is measured in parrallel, so yea, u can measure while its playing.. current however needs to be measured in series... so u will have to break the circuit, and run it throught the dmm, then back to the circuit.. or get a current clamp.. around the speaker wires, it will read current also from the electric magnetic feilds... also good DMM will measure and record the highest frequency if needed.. get one with a "hold" feature. |
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