What do you guys think?
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4778 Registered: Dec-04 | alright I am trying to figure out what I want to do in my truck for my new system. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem%26item%3D5835692832%26&sspagename= STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26 that is what I am going to do for my new box. I am not buying that but just to give you an idea as to where it is going. It will be between my front two seats under the center console. I am removing te front middle seat. OK I have a JL 12w6v2, a avalanche 12, a soundstream reference 12, or a brahma mark II 15. I am pretty sure I am not going to run the brahma its just to big for what I want to do so its between the other 3. these are my dimensions to work with. 15.5(h) x 21(w) x 12(d) it comes to about 2.25 cu/ft before displacement, those can be played around a little also. I don't know wether I want to go sealed downfiring or ported with downfiring sub, and port forward. I have a ppi a600 and 2 orion hcca 250 g4's to work with but if I have to I would sell one of the orion's and pick up a 1000/1 or arc audio 1500xxk. I dont know wether I want to go with one of the systems I already have or go with a ID max 12 help me decide this guys! |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1151 Registered: Jan-05 | well no matter which one you choose its gonna have excellent sq, so i'd probally go with a idmax ported, so thats my opinion. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4779 Registered: Dec-04 | if I went sealed 1.5 I could run any of the 12's, and ported 1.75-2.0 I could run any of them I just dont know which I want to do. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4491 Registered: Jun-04 | james by gut instinct here the way you talked about how you liked your avalanch in the past id say use that but realize that also gives you the opurtunity to try the sound stream if you like even if one is better ported and one is better sealed if you plan ahead you can have your cake and eat it too trying out both 12's in one box |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4492 Registered: Jun-04 | heck for that matter you could plan ahead for the 15 also with that box....try all 3 in car |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4780 Registered: Dec-04 | yeah your right, I think I am going to go 2.0 cu/ft tuned to 28hz and run both of them and see what sounds the best. Thanks SeanI don't want ot run the brahma because of the size of the box, and the power it needs, not to mention the ava has better SQ anyway. I would rather run a ID max if I am going to get a new mono amp. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4781 Registered: Dec-04 | I have been dying to run that soundstream reference 12 I used to have those subs and they are FANTASTIC 250 rms and small enclosure to really get some serious SQL out of them I was lucky to find one on ebay about a year ago brand new that I have been holding onto for the right time. maybe nows the right time |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1154 Registered: Jan-05 | don't mean to hijack your thread, but james have you heard the aa atlas, if you have i was just wondering how would rank the sq of them to other high sq subs, cause the best sq sub i ever heard was a w7 but it was in a demo room and i thought the atlas has better low end sq but the w7 wins in the upper hz, so i want to get some1's opinion that has heard other top sq subs. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4784 Registered: Dec-04 | yup I have a atlas 15 The SQ is great a little better then the ava but lacking the SPL of the ava. The atlas is designed as a SQ sub nothing else. It ranks up there with many top contenders, including the w7 in SQ. |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1155 Registered: Jan-05 | cool, my atlas's have great sq, except for upper hz like really fast kick bass it gets a little muddy, but still better than most other subs i heard, and it got fairly loud for only 300watts. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4493 Registered: Jun-04 | glad to be of service James |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4494 Registered: Jun-04 | dusatin maybe you should add something for the upper bass and demo them somewhere with the music that has the fast bass try to bring various cd's with you to make sure your getting what you want |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4790 Registered: Dec-04 | much appreciated Sean as usual Hey Dustin what type of enclosure do you have them in sounds like it might be to big from what you say. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4496 Registered: Jun-04 | actually your right James ive listened to subs in large enclosures and small and the smaller ones generally have a much better tone and seem to help the upper bass ...when you go large the low end tends to get boosted at the expense of the upper bass and it does seem to affect upper bass accuracy |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1158 Registered: Jan-05 | my box is 2.5cf sealed, before sub displacement, and it was being powered with a kx200.2 so it was recieving about 250watts, jonathan said that all xbl2 subs get muddy above 60hz so he said i should cross them over lower and get some strong mid range speakers. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4793 Registered: Dec-04 | he is right they are that way because of the mass of there cones. The atlas tends to be better in the higher freq then most of the other XBL subs. 2.5 is good with that power. You could try going down to 2.0 by adding a dictionary or a solid mass to the inside of your box to see if the upper hz response increases any. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4498 Registered: Jun-04 | that was my suggestion also |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1160 Registered: Jan-05 | what if i gave them more power, cause i hope to get a RE 12.1 amp which 700watts@2ohm so that would be about 350watts to each sub, so do think it would help if i had it at 2cf instead of 2.5cf. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4798 Registered: Dec-04 | yeah it should really increase your upper transient response. |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1161 Registered: Jan-05 | cool thanks for all your help james/sean, i hope i have the money around for the RE amp by the end of feb. so i'll finally have my system complete the way i want it. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4806 Registered: Dec-04 | no prob man |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4502 Registered: Jun-04 | dustin doubling your power only increases your spl by 3 db and keep in mind your electrical system too if your making a big leap in power....that might not be the way you want to go |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4503 Registered: Jun-04 | if your just looking for a sq refinement id say you probably dont need a new amp |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1162 Registered: Jan-05 | well right now i only have enough power for one, with my kx200.2, so with the re12.1 i can power both of them. and i think my electrical system will be fine, cause i have a 95amp alt. and i will only be drawing about 65-75amps with my new amp. |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1163 Registered: Jan-05 | mabei it will bump this time. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4807 Registered: Dec-04 | so you want to run 2-atlas 15's dustin? |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1164 Registered: Jan-05 | well i have 2 of them so i figured i would use both of them. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4811 Registered: Dec-04 | nice! |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 5553 Registered: May-04 | "my box is 2.5cf sealed, before sub displacement, and it was being powered with a kx200.2 so it was recieving about 250watts, jonathan said that all xbl2 subs get muddy above 60hz so he said i should cross them over lower and get some strong mid range speakers." Keep in mind it isn't XBL^2 that causes it. Don't want that to be a misconception. It's primarily the cone/suspension of the subs, but pretty much everyone I've talked to agreed with me on their midbass transition (or lack thereof). The main reason they are so heavy is so that they can get a low Fs. |
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Silver Member Username: Iufan4lifeulPost Number: 874 Registered: May-05 | I just ordered 2 of those Arsenals from AA. Are they supposed to be on par with the W7 etc. SQ wise while being like an avalanche SPL wise? From what I have heard it is. Chad said that it has all the low end SQ and SPL of an avalanche but due to the cone being made out of paper and kevlar, the high end response is just as good SQ wise and SPL wise as pure SQ subs. Anyone heard different? |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Usa Post Number: 1167 Registered: Jan-05 | one more question, when i build my boxes should i double up on the front baffle, or would it be ok to just use a single piece of wood. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 4813 Registered: Dec-04 | I doubled up mine for my avalanche and ran the atlas in the same box to test it out. I dont think you need to but it wold never hurt ya know! |
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