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Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 806
Registered: May-05
I am thinking about, for $150, putting in a K&N ram air intake into my Stock, 2002 Mitsubishi Lancer ES. In the future I might upgrade the ECM and get a catback but this would be a start. Would I notice a decent sized difference with it? Also, what type of sound will a ram air intake produce? I looked at Cold air, and as far as power, Ram air produces more. I know cold air has the advantage of getting the colder air but i really want a Ram air.
 

Anonymous
 
u gotta b a real a$s to think u can ask that complicated of a question and in a car subwoofer forum and get an answer.
 

Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 807
Registered: May-05
Thanks for a response, too bad you have a problem... Anyway, would upgraded spark plug wires do anything? From like stock wires to "street-performance" wires?
 

Anonymous
 
if you want more power then just upgrade you lancer es to lancer evo.
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 372
Registered: May-05
well adding a higher performance part will usually result in a HP gain even if the gain is small it is still a gain which is a step in the right direction. the sound would be good on an uprgraded intake i can't tell you about the performance b/c every car is different.
 

Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 808
Registered: May-05
would upgraded spark plug wires do ANYTHING for the car performance?
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5018
Registered: May-04
"I am thinking about, for $150, putting in a K&N ram air intake into my Stock, 2002 Mitsubishi Lancer ES. In the future I might upgrade the ECM and get a catback but this would be a start. Would I notice a decent sized difference with it? Also, what type of sound will a ram air intake produce?"

It'll add more noise than power. 10hp is the absolute most you'll ever get from a cold air/ram air intake system. 5hp is more typical. People that claim more than that are usually your typical magazine readers that don't know what they're talking about, or they made a bunch of mods, neglected the intake, and had the engine so choked down that it couldn't help but make huge power after it freed up. The main difference you'll notice is increased intake noise. As far as the sound, think of the current intake noise, then multiply it.

"would upgraded spark plug wires do ANYTHING for the car performance?"

Not a seat of the pants difference. Not really a difference at all if you don't have the ignition upgrades to take advantage of them.

Like said above though, these are baby steps and won't do a lot by themselves, but they are necessity as you add future modifications.
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 383
Registered: May-05
jonathan i ahd no idea you knew about car perfomance as well although i am not surprised :-) I would love to ask you some questions in the future about this i've pretty much done all i for my sound system and i am moving onto performance next somewhat like chris here.
 

Silver Member
Username: Texas_bass

Houston, TX

Post Number: 116
Registered: Nov-05
you could also go with a performance chip and hi flow exaust the less restriction the better you could also free up hp if you lose the ac or put on a power pully
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5023
Registered: May-04
The typical upgrades for starters include:

Catback system
Upgraded air intake
Header(s)
Upgraded throttle body
Larger MAF/MAP sensor
Ignition
Chip

For most FI cars, that's a good baseline until you start getting into the bigger replacements like new intakes, upgraded fuel rails and injectors, heads, cams, etc. You can only go so far on a stock engine. I'm not a 4 banger specialist, the above applies to any vehicle, but if you want the best answers you're better off asking someone in a forum dedicated to Lancers.
 

Silver Member
Username: Texas_bass

Houston, TX

Post Number: 118
Registered: Nov-05
super charger

Saw a little 4 banger with dual 12LB Superchargers pushing 1015hp it all depends on how much you want to spend

but on the most part i agree with jonathan
 

Silver Member
Username: Cenus

Hicksville, Ohio Usa

Post Number: 797
Registered: Jan-05
what how the h3ll can a 4-banger be pushin 1015hp with a super charger, my friend has a mustang 5.0 with a super charger and a lot of other performance parts and is only pushin out about 650hp.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Redliner

Wilmington, Ma

Post Number: 84
Registered: Jun-05
it could not be pushing 1015 on dual superchargers he would have to do more than that he would have to re do the whole entire engine to satisfy it otherwise it would just blow apart like a piece of paper in a shredder it had to have a completely redone engine new manifolds and everything else
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 385
Registered: May-05
basically anything is possible but you eventually get to a point to where you've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on making a basic car( beleive me no offense to the lancer i used to have one) some race car. if you're gonna spend 10 grand or more on a car to make it all custom and stuff. i would personally just buy a car that is already fast and go from there somthing that responds well to mods and has more potential. i just don't understand why someone would invest like 20g in a "normal" car when for that kind of money you could have bought something else like a WRX or evo or whatever just something that is known to be fast and built to go fast and has a much better engine for high perfomance mods.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Redliner

Wilmington, Ma

Post Number: 85
Registered: Jun-05
oh no im not saying it wasnt possible becasue it is but he was just making it sem like the guy starpped on 2 superchargers and called it a day im just saying he would have to do more than that and i would agree people sh ould buy more expensive cars and they would be even faster but the only problem is witht hat parts for like a civic are so much cheaper than the same part for a evo or wrx or atleast alot of them
 

Silver Member
Username: Sony224422

Deep River, CT US

Post Number: 290
Registered: Dec-04
upgrading the spark is a good thing to do when you get a turbo and such, because you'll need more spark for the engine or something, i forget why you need it, but im pretty sure when you get a turbo your supposed to upgrade the spark.
 

Silver Member
Username: Nutty91rs

Bloomington, Indiana USA

Post Number: 315
Registered: Oct-05
Put on the cold air intake, don't mess with the K&N just get one off of eBay, it's probably not going to help your HP one bit but it will give you that low vaccum sound. Have a local muffler shop install a catback system with a regular sized free flowing muffler, the big 3in exhaust 5in tip monsters people love to stick on imports sound awful, a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2in glass pack will work fine. If you want to beat people strap a small nitrous kit on the car and spray a 70 shot to it that'll only cost you around $400. Spark plug wires will do absolutly NOTHING for your cars h/p shame on that NOLO(you know who) company and there snake oil. Neither will plugs, unless they need changed. Until you have your car highly modified you're not going to need a different plug, platinum plugs and the likes are made for long life not to make your car faster (a commonly overlooked fact because faster sells, longevity doesn't). There 100's of other things that could be talked about to make the car fast, ported head, cams, larger intake manifold and throttle body, but that's not novice territory it takes alot of research to not get ripped off and not mess something up.
 

Silver Member
Username: Touche6784

USA

Post Number: 794
Registered: Nov-04
didnt think the sparkplugs made a difference.
 

Silver Member
Username: Texas_bass

Houston, TX

Post Number: 120
Registered: Nov-05
the guy had alot more mods on that car but most of the hp was comming from the super chargers
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5025
Registered: May-04
Horsepower sells cars, torque moves them. If you spun a motor making 1 lb/ft of torque to 800,000rpm, it would make 150hp. But it couldn't pull a ham sandwich.

Most of the 1000hp tuner cars are some mighty mouse spinning huge rpms to make horsepower look good, but the torque just isn't there. Basically, if you want high horsepower out of a 4 banger, you need double digits worth of boost, high rpms, and lots of flow (heads, cams, and so forth). 1000 isn't impossible from a 4 cyl., put that much boost on a V8 and you'll make thousands of horsepower (and torque). Done everyday at drag races
 

Bronze Member
Username: Redliner

Wilmington, Ma

Post Number: 87
Registered: Jun-05
thank you for clarifying thomas
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 397
Registered: May-05
Jonathan your absouletly right. There are some very high horse power imports but if the torque isn't there it's pointless. thats what i don't like about the whole civic approach the torque on those engines is so low to begin w/. thats one thing that is decent about my car even though my engine is nothing specail my torque is 15 more than my horsepower which helps a little still nothin crazy just a nice little bonus. the best way to describe an evo is a lancer on steroids the boost on the turbo is well above 20 psi stock.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5032
Registered: May-04
Honda is just retarded. 197hp from a 2.0L, but it only makes 5lb/ft more torque than my 20 year old Ranger 2.3L wheezer, not counting the fact that the Honda has 11:1 compression, all aluminum construction, a bigger engineering effort, "i-VTEC", and 20 years of technology at their backside. Pathetic. At least the 2.3 made it's torque peak at 2000 rpm and didn't require Premium fuel. Not counting that the new Civic is fugly, almost as bad as the stupid looking Ridgeline truck.
 

Silver Member
Username: Touche6784

USA

Post Number: 797
Registered: Nov-04
haha, that was awesome jonathan
 

Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 809
Registered: May-05
Is the Torque of my Lancer (130lb@ 4450 RPM's) pretty good for a 2.0L with 120 HP?
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5034
Registered: May-04
Pretty average for a 2.0L 4 cylinder. Not great, not bad either.
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 399
Registered: May-05
while we're still on this topic what would be a good 0-60 time for a normal not a fast car like an evo that does 0-60 in less than 5 sec, but a typical car. somewhere around 7.5-8 sec? and i know it's a big deal to make a car a full second quicker in 0-60 times and 1/4 mile. how much will your times go down w/ about 20-30 hp?
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5038
Registered: May-04
20-30hp isn't going to drop you a second.

7-8 seconds is pretty acceptable for a car of this age. If you grew up in the 80s, you would have put up with 10-15 second times.
 

Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 810
Registered: May-05
I noticed a 1 second drop in my 0-60 whenever I got better tires on my car. The stock Lancer's tires are really narrow and don't have good traction. I upgraded to a decent amount wider of a tire and I can accelerate without burning rubber, thus shaving time off the 0-60.
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 401
Registered: May-05
i knew that 20-30 hp won't drop a second i figured maybe around .2-.3 of a sec. so 7-8 sec is pretty good thanks i was just curious b/c you see all of these review and advertisements advertising the 0-60 time i was just curious as to what is the norm or a decent time.

Chris i do relate to you about the car driving quicker w/ new tires and wheels. i went from a stock 15" to 17" and definately noticed better accleration and grip. i don' think though that it can make your car a whole second faster. but there is a noticable difference. i'm assuming you got wheels along w/ your tires b/c you can only get however wide a tire your wheels are. so if your stock wheels were 15x6.5 you can only get a certain width tire size. you can get higher or lower profile but not wider.

I love this thread BTW :-)
 

Silver Member
Username: Nutty91rs

Bloomington, Indiana USA

Post Number: 321
Registered: Oct-05
This thread does rock. I have so much trouble explaining to LS and LT1 guys why my 220hp L98 can run with them because of the huge ammount of low/mid rpm torque the Tuned Port produces. This being said, the best way to get more torque down low is nitrous (though considered cheating by some). Nitrous is about the only mod you're going to get that will shave a second off of your 0 to 60 time, tires may do it but you would have to have been annihlating the old tires then bogging down really hard. I know my 0 to 60 foot time is 2.00 seconds LOL not exactly the 0 to 60 you're looking for, but off nitrous my Camaro runs the quarter in 14 seconds flat, most newer imports will run in the 16 to 19 second range. A low torque peak will make a car feel fast and get you up to speed quickly. If you ever get the chance to drive an LT1 Camaro/TA/vette then compare that to an older tuned port Camaro/TA/vette you'll notice that the older L98 motor will just explode when the gas is hit, the LT1 will pull very smoothly but to a higher RPM. The LT1's are rated at 265hp, L98's were rated at 220hp but made 320lbs of torque, and it makes it where you need it to get the car moving. There are 2 sayings i've found hold true "The race is over in 80 feet" and "HP sells cars, torque wins races".
 

Silver Member
Username: Iufan4lifeul

Post Number: 811
Registered: May-05
The thing they did was they made the tire a lower profile tire and the stock rims were big enough to fit wider tires on. (don't know the specs on them) but they said it was fine and the MPH and mileage wouldn't be affected. Anyhow, normally I run (and according to online stats) a 0-60 in my stock Lancer at about 9-9.5. I realize this isn't the greatest so I am trying to shave off little bits. The tires took off an estimated .5-1 second time. It is a HUGE difference. Now I just want to add the K&N ram air intake just to add a little more boost and cut a couple more tenths of a second off. This thread does rock. Come on guys, keep posting stuff on this. Ask questions, talk about projects you have etc.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5040
Registered: May-04
"The thing they did was they made the tire a lower profile tire and the stock rims were big enough to fit wider tires on. (don't know the specs on them) but they said it was fine and the MPH and mileage wouldn't be affected."

Another thing that the tires did is lower your gearing due to the lower profile. Since the tire isn't as tall as your old ones, you effectively have a lower gear and are able to accelerate more quickly due to torque multiplication.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5041
Registered: May-04
Your speedo is likely off a little bit as well.
 

Silver Member
Username: Texas_bass

Houston, TX

Post Number: 134
Registered: Nov-05
I have a few freinds that run 0-80 in 1 sec or less but there running 3000 hp or more doing 4 sec in 1/8 mile top speeds over 200mph
 

Bronze Member
Username: Gavbo211

US

Post Number: 93
Registered: Jan-05
Hey Jonathan what do u think about crate engines? Ive got a 91 Camaro RS with that sluggish V8 305 in it. im really looking at an edlebrock crate engine right now, definatley a 350. They run about 2,500 to 3,000 bucks which isnt that bad since im lookin at goin from 220 hp to newhere from 360 to 410 hp. i know taht they just drop right in in place of the 305 but my question is with the higher hp engine i know i will have to have a new tranny that can handle it and things like a new rear end to get the gear ratio right (which i believe i will need although not absolutley sure) will it be worth it in the end?? My dad had the idea of finding a low milage corvette engine and tranny together and he thinks with that i might be able to get by with just the engine and tranny. Its just so hard to make a 305 fast without replacin the engine internals or strappin on a supercharger and by the time u make it decently fast by doin that u have spent almost enough to buy a new crate engine. Thanks alot.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5042
Registered: May-04
"I have a few freinds that run 0-80 in 1 sec or less but there running 3000 hp or more doing 4 sec in 1/8 mile top speeds over 200mph"

So your friends have funny cars?

"Hey Jonathan what do u think about crate engines? Ive got a 91 Camaro RS with that sluggish V8 305 in it. im really looking at an edlebrock crate engine right now, definatley a 350. They run about 2,500 to 3,000 bucks which isnt that bad since im lookin at goin from 220 hp to newhere from 360 to 410 hp. i know taht they just drop right in in place of the 305 but my question is with the higher hp engine i know i will have to have a new tranny that can handle it and things like a new rear end to get the gear ratio right (which i believe i will need although not absolutley sure) will it be worth it in the end??"

305 was a dog. The Edelbrock crates are a great value. You're also getting a 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty that's hard to beat and the price isn't bad at all.

"My dad had the idea of finding a low milage corvette engine and tranny together and he thinks with that i might be able to get by with just the engine and tranny."

I'd be more worried about the condition of the engine and tranny. If he's talking about a junkyard, it could work, but it depends. I'd make sure to check the engine out, do a compression check, inspect all over for oil leaks, hardened seals, signs of water in the oil, spark plug condition, etc. I'm not a fan of pulling automatic transmissions from a junkyard, you just can't tell what condition they're in unless you do an extensive check, and modern automatic transmissions just aren't built all that well compared to the ones of yesterday. If you get a crap motor, you aren't going to get much of a warranty from a junkyard, maybe 90 days or so.

Overall, I'd rather piece together my own engine and transmission. Your current transmission (if an Auto) can be rebuilt with better frictions and steels, a shift kit, other valvebody upgrades, and possibly a higher stall torque converter if you want/need it.

The Edelbrock engines are great performers, but if I was building a street engine, I'd rather use some AFR heads, Edel. manifold, Barry Grant Carburetor, Competition Cams XE camshaft and valvetrain assembly, and of course an exhaust that will match up to the performance and your preference.

A rear axle could be found in a junkyard and there isn't a whole lot to go wrong. You can also choose to rebuilt yours and assure it's in good shape, adding a lower gear while you're at it. 3.55s-3.73s are a good street gear.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Gavbo211

US

Post Number: 94
Registered: Jan-05
I think im gonna go ahead and go with the crate engine then. taht is when i can afford it which i hope is after christmas lol. I just dont have the time or the know-how to build my own engine, if i did thats what i would do too. and i will look into those AFR heads because i have heard goodthings about them too. And i had had the 3.73s in mind but wasnt sure if they would be ok for everyday driving. Thanks alot for all ur help!!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Gavbo211

US

Post Number: 95
Registered: Jan-05
Actually now i think about it those AFR heads would require alot of work to put on and i mean i would think the crate engine ones would do well wouldnt they? so i think ill just go with the "stock" crate engine. i think id have trouble takin apart one of those beauties right after i got it.
 

Silver Member
Username: Nutty91rs

Bloomington, Indiana USA

Post Number: 325
Registered: Oct-05
"Its just so hard to make a 305 fast without replacin the engine internals or strappin on a supercharger"
Wow this is strange, This post just popped up on one of my other forums. This guy made his 305 run 13.043 on a budget build:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=333467
There's also no way your 305 is making 220hp unless it's had a head swap and several modifications, 91RS 305 TBI engines were rated at 170hp 190lbs. I would still look for the vette engine in the junk yard for the fact you can get a tuned port setup off of it; this is what I did it's worth it. The change will scare you the first time you step on the gas. Aside from the engine and trans TV cable you'll also need the intact wiring from under the hood to the PCM and the under dash wiring. It sounds involved but it's not that bad. I recommend you register with thirdgen.org there's a wealth of go fast information on there for 3rd gens. I could write a book on the weak links, what's bogus info, what's a good choice for this and that on 3rd gen Camaro's but that site will provide you with more information than you ever imagined. Enjoy!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Gavbo211

US

Post Number: 97
Registered: Jan-05
ohh somewhere i had seen that they came with 210 hp from the factory but i definatley believe u cause it doesnt seem like its packin 210 lol. ive got a flowmaster muffler with no cat so thats where i was gettin 220 from but that means in other words its like maybe 180 lol. wow those engines are slugs.. and the only thing about that 13 second 305 is that he took out alot of stuff for weight reduction and stuff like that and witht his as my daily driver and the fact that it would only see the track everyonce in a while kinda turns me away from doin that. i am registered on thirdgen.org and i agree great site! its just been a long time since ive been on there. and thanks alot for the response! ohh and if u wanna take a look at my ride ive got a picture under "pics of your ride" in the car audio braggin rights forum. and if u have pics of ur rides id love to see them!
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5044
Registered: May-04
If you've never worked on a car or don't want to, a crate engine is the way to go. Especially for the money and the warranty.

A 305 should be able to make some power, saying that a Ford 289 can make a reliable 400 with enough invested into it.
 

Silver Member
Username: Nutty91rs

Bloomington, Indiana USA

Post Number: 329
Registered: Oct-05
I need to take pics of both of my cars and stick them up there, take pics of the girlfriend system too, everyone should have one of those ; ). I took alot of stuff out of my Camaro and can't tell the difference, my car weighs in at 3200 with no driver in it; the only thing you can easily tell is missing are the back seats. How much is your crate engine going to cost, and what kind of induction are you planning to run on it? Check this out, these guys are true engine builders and don't feed people sales pitch BS. You can get an excellent crate engine, just be picky and research it:
http://www.badasscars.com/techtips.html
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 423
Registered: May-05
i wish my other car was a good solid muscle car so i could relate to these engines. A friend of mine has a corvette 6 spd and after a ride in that thing i'm in love w/ corvettes i would kill for the new 06 ZO6 vette that thing is just sick.
 

Silver Member
Username: Lexuscoop

Post Number: 273
Registered: Dec-05
well to beat everyone here exept the 3khp, my stock Subaru WRX STI will have about 320hp and 0-60 in about 4.25... damn good for stock:-) when i sell my Lexus
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 426
Registered: May-05
Nolimit are you really getting an STI? and the STI will not beat the new Vette ZO6 even though the STI is a sick car it has 300 hp stock.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5053
Registered: May-04
"i wish my other car was a good solid muscle car so i could relate to these engines. A friend of mine has a corvette 6 spd and after a ride in that thing i'm in love w/ corvettes i would kill for the new 06 ZO6 vette that thing is just sick."

GM had to recall every one of them because the frames are cracking. They had to consult Ford chassis engineers to help them figure out the problem.

"well to beat everyone here exept the 3khp, my stock Subaru WRX STI will have about 320hp and 0-60 in about 4.25... damn good for stock:-) when i sell my Lexus"

My 67 Mustang had over double that coming from a built 427 SOHC fire breather :-) Wasn't exactly stock, though. Did run 10s, no clue about 0-60, but it was damn fast.
 

Silver Member
Username: Redliner

Wilmington, Ma

Post Number: 106
Registered: Jun-05
oh ya my 1989 pontiac 6000 le will smoke all of your a$$s so dont even try it

jk that car blows
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 428
Registered: May-05
jonathan are you serious GM had to recall all the new 06 ZO6 vettes? thats crazy corvettes have always been regarded as a quality reliable car from all the magazines and reviewers.
 

New member
Username: Erowang

San Francisco, CA USA

Post Number: 6
Registered: Dec-05
I installed a CAI into my 2004 v6 mustang. Besically you just get a whistling sound which is pretty cool. Also, the rpms stay higher for a slightly longer period of time as there is more air being sucked in. Overall, I'd say stick with buying one on ebay because most CAI are about the same. The HP increase is more like 2-5, which is barely anything. I think 10 is stretching it but different brands and different cars respond differently. But yea, start ebaying because this will probably be one of the cheapest upgrades performance-wise. After CAI, I'd recommend exhaust. Good luck.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 5057
Registered: May-04
They're having a lot of trouble with it. I'm guessing it's the combination of magnesium, aluminum and steel. Not sure if they'll do an extensive recall or what. I think the Caddy XLR is based on the Corvette chassis, I'd think they would have to recall those as well.

"hats crazy corvettes have always been regarded as a quality reliable car from all the magazines and reviewers."

Not really. I can't think of any generation of Corvettes that didn't have a myriad of problems following the development. Especially anything pertaining to the handling of the car. Just look up how many "Generation "X" Corvette Frame repair" books there are, you'll find plenty.

As of now, they're having trouble with the brake lines and the steering locking up as well. GM isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders lately.
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 432
Registered: May-05
Jonathan, I agree w/ you on GM having problems but the only car i ever liked of theirs was the vette. so basically you would not recommend a corvette to anyone right. what other type of car in that class would you recommend or feel is better for the money?
 

Silver Member
Username: Ucfsaxman

Oviedo/orlando, Fl

Post Number: 433
Registered: May-05
oh ya and another thing why is there such a following for Corvettes like all the clubs and organizations, musuems and such for the car if they have so many problems?
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