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Reached Deadend! Researched this for 1-2 wks ( I swear to God!) Please help!!!

 

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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 152
Registered: May-05
Ok... I really did do my research... I've just run into alot of complications...

I need a 12" sub (only have room for one), prefer sq sub with as much spl as possible (I believe the term is sql sub???), >900w RMS handling, small sealed enclosure (1 cubit ft would be PERFECT)

I want a high-end subwoofer.

Here's the problem:
Brahma = not enough power handling
Atlas = not enough power handling
Avalanche = almost, but not enough power
RE xxx = not for sale right now
RE sx = adequate RMS, but enclosure specs much too big!
Digital Designs = all models require ported enclosures (way too big)
JL = yeah, not for THAT price
Image Dynamics = just returned a 10" IDMAX, and I'd prefer a sub w/ some more spl

So, I was wondering...
can someone please help me out here? I'm pulling my hair out trying to find the right sub for my unavoidable restrictions. I REALLY appreciate it.

And please don't get irritated... I know the question sounds dumb, but I swear to God - I've been trying to come up with my own answer (researching, reading, searching, asking on forums) for well over
1-2 weeks now! I just need a pro's help. What do ya say, guys??? Help? Please?


Isaac
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Username: Carguy

Post Number: 3663
Registered: Nov-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 09:13 am:

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Have you tried IDMax 12"? It is 1000w rms.
What is your price range? I've seen JL sub go for $400 with a ported box on eBay before.


Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 140
Registered: May-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 09:27 am:

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No,I haven't tried the IDMAX 12"... I tried the 10". Is the sound that different? Spl much greater?
About the JL's... honestly, no. But hey, for the right price, anything goes!

Price range must stay < $350 - $400 ABSOLUTE MAX!

Thanks for responding.



Isaac
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Username: Carguy

Post Number: 3665
Registered: Nov-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 09:57 am:

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The difference between 10" and 12" is around 2.5db in sensitivity. Hardly a number to get excited over, but at high volume, it could make an impression.
Have you seen SoundSplinter RL-P12? It's not a bad sub for the price.


James Longo
Gold Member
Username: James1115

Wilton , ct

Post Number: 3676
Registered: Dec-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:00 am:

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how much power do you have, and what is the largest box you could fit?


Subfanatic
Gold Member
Username: Subfanatic

ky

Post Number: 4574
Registered: Dec-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:34 am:

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why not a Eclipse ti? i nice 12 would do, or a 12 inch w7 wink wink jk,

But what kind of power are you looking at at what ohm is my main concern


Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 141
Registered: May-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:48 am:

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james1115:
I need a 12" sub (only have room for one), prefer sq sub with as much spl as possible (I believe the term is sql sub???), >900w RMS handling, small sealed enclosure (1 cubit ft would be PERFECT)
subfanatic:
I'm running my 900w mono amp at 1ohm. So, a 2 ohm dual voice coil would be in order.
Oh, and eclipse Ti: that one I haven't seen!!! so, I'll check that out later tonight! Thanks.

Also, regarding the splinter cell:
I checked it out already too! Why is the RMS so vague? I can't afford to phuk up another sub like before... 500-1200 doesn't exactly sound like 900 RMS! You know what I mean?

You guys, I'm going to work now. I'll be back within 10 hrs or so. See what you all can come up with. I know it's been a b!tch for me.
Thanks!!!


Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 142
Registered: May-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:51 am:

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AGAIN, THANKS EVERYONE! ALL INPUT WELCOME - GOLD, SILVER, BRONZE, NEWBEEZ, UNREGISTERED... SO LONG AS I CAN SEE SOME APPROPRIATE OPTIONS!!! YOU'RE ALL THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!MUCHISIMAS GRACIAS, MIS AMIGOS!!!


Quick Shot
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Username: Dominirica012

Charlotte , North Carolina
US

Post Number: 570
Registered: May-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:03 pm:

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the rms on those soundsplinters is "500" but ive seen people give them much more than that...anyways that amp of your should put out around 500 watts rms at 2ohms so you could get a dual 4ohm version of that splinter if you wanted to


Maxil223
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Username: Maxil223

Post Number: 28
Registered: Jun-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:09 pm:

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well, i dont know much about the sound quality, but a sealed box could help. Try a 10" or 12" MTX T9500. The rms rating is 500-1000, max is 2000. and Ive seen people give it alot more as well.


Subfanatic
Gold Member
Username: Subfanatic

ky

Post Number: 4575
Registered: Dec-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:13 pm:

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sean, the avalanch can handle the power, but unfortunently, the eclipse tionly comes in dvc 4 ohms, so you cant wire it 2 1 ohm


Ryan
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Username: Riebread77

Post Number: 332
Registered: Jun-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 01:12 pm:

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the mtx's are made for ported boxes...they need air...if you want a sealed box...look elsewhere...i'd recommend the eclipse ti


Ryan
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Username: Riebread77

Post Number: 333
Registered: Jun-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 01:13 pm:

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ahhh...didn't read sub's post...


James Longo
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Username: James1115

Wilton , ct

Post Number: 3693
Registered: Dec-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 01:19 pm:

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yup the avalanche would be a great sub it requires 1.5 cu/ft ported and abou 1.0 sealed with 800 watts rms so if you can find one it would be perfect.


Jace Edlund
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Username: Supraspyder420

sammamish , wa
U.S.

Post Number: 75
Registered: Jul-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 01:21 pm:

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Wow im suprised you didnt like the IDMAX. The 12" would be a little better than the 10". If you go for more SPL then you will lose a little SQ (Most likely). Check out the Brahma. Adire also has a few others that may fit what your looking for, Throw them a e-mail (their very nice) and see what tehy recommend. Sorry im not a huge help!


mikechec9
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Username: Mikechec9

chicago/atlanta

Post Number: 569
Registered: May-05
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 01:44 pm:

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500-1200 means it depends on your enclosure. same w/brahmas. 1.5 ft sealed enclosure yields about an 800 watt requirement to effect xmax for the brahma. the smaller the box, the more power required. i'm giving each of my brahmas 1600 watts. power handling is not an issue.
the same with ALL of the other subs you mentioned. its best to overpower your sub so that you have head room. that way you don't have to crank your volume all the way up to sound good, full, and detailed.
regardless, with the subs you mentioned it's going to be a tough decision


Jonathan
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Username: Jonathan_f

GA
USA

Post Number: 4310
Registered: May-04
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:37 pm:

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I wouldn't look past the ID Max 12". If I remember correctly I think you were the one that had some form of issue with one, but trust me, problems with them are very rare, you just happened to be one of very few people that weren't lucky with one. Other than that, the Adire Tumult has basically taken the Brahmas old place and is a very good subwoofer.


Jake Hill
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Username: Kd7nfr

Montpelier , ID
United States

Post Number: 555
Registered: Apr-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:28 am:

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ENOUGH WITH THE D@MN CAPS! Good god man.


mikechec9
Silver Member
Username: Mikechec9

chicago/atlanta

Post Number: 575
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:43 am:

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i know people have had issues w/the max v1 and v2, but the v3 have supposedly corrected any ill issues.
and the tumult's 700.00 price tag (msrp or not) can call in sick, lol. glad i got my MKII's just in time.


Jonathan
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Username: Jonathan_f

GA
USA

Post Number: 4314
Registered: May-04
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:48 am:

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Yeah, the v1s and v2s had some issues with the voice coil scraping b/c of the surround and the tight gap. Fixed that.


John Doe
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Username: Donshiv

Post Number: 19
Registered: Jun-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:49 am:

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I have a brand new Audiobahn Flame Q 10". I just put it in an optional ported or sealed 1 cubic ft. air enclosure(havn't used it but put in the box and checked if it works). It's 900RMS and 1800Peak. If your interested email me Donshiv@verizon.net


Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 143
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:18 am:

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Thanks for all responses, everyone!! 21 posts... hell yeah! thanks for helping!

So, the ti's have inproper voice coil setting, and you say that the Brahma and Avalanche can definately handle the power, huh? The splinter cells as well, huh? Ok, well, tell me something about the Digital Designs, if you can. On the website, I was really impressed with this companies assembly methods. I was wondering, can I use a sealed enclosure anyway with the DD 3500? (that's the only one I can afford)
About the IDMAX: good memory, dude. That's right... that was me who had a problem. So, you say I ought to try again with the 12? I guess the worse thing that could happen is I send it back again, right?
Although, I would like to finalize my decision process. Without all of you, this would be so hard. Thanks.
So, my current question is:
Poll among my advise givers - the avalanche, the splinter cell, the IDMAX 12, or the Brahma? What's the best for my cash?
Of course, new suggestions are extremely welcome too!



Sean Gibson
Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 144
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:20 am:

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Oh, and thanks for the MTX advise, but they don't really turn me on at all ( although I know little of them - so I'll go check it out anyways... thanks for the suggestion).


Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 145
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:22 am:

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John Doe:
Audiobahn's (if my current training has been understood properly) is not a high-end sub. Thanks anyways, though, bro. I'm sure yours will sound great. Good luck. I just prefer to buy a "highly recommended" sub instead. But really, thanks again.


mikechec9
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Username: Mikechec9

chicago/atlanta

Post Number: 581
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:49 am:

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as jonathan said, the brahma has been eversoslightly downsized for adire's new fall lineup. still a great SQl sub nonetheless.
the splinter cell is so much less expensive than the others with comparable sql. plus you get great personal interactions with Mike b/c it's not a big business (yet). at least up until a couple of months ago, he was running it out his house.
id max is a great SQl sub. jonathan is pretty familiar with all of these subs and he seems to be sold on the id max. being that i would be equally extatic to find any one of these under my tree, i would take his word for it if money is no issue. if loot WERE an issue, i would approach the rl-p's



Sean Gibson
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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale , Arizona
United States of America

Post Number: 151
Registered: May-05
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 03:07 am:

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thanks, my friend, good advise.
Will take it!
 

Silver Member
Username: Ffxdevilarms

Dubuque, Iowa United States

Post Number: 696
Registered: Jul-04
WTF did you post this shi! man???
 

Silver Member
Username: Rob315

Cuse, NY U.S.

Post Number: 503
Registered: Jan-05
^^^x 2....try an IDmax...high power handling, good spl, and excellent sq.
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3271
Registered: Aug-04
"Brahma = not enough power handling
Avalanche = almost, but not enough power"

I really don't know about the enclosure specs, or which model Brahma's your talking about, but whether it's an old one or a new one, it would run fine with 900 wrms.

As for the Avalanche, it will take 900 wrms with no problem as well. Only problem is the box, it works best in a 2 - 2.5 cf sealed box, no way you'll put one in a box close to 1 cf.
 

Silver Member
Username: Riebread77

Post Number: 350
Registered: Jun-05
this is a tough one...most high power subs want lots of air to move...you will have to use polyfill to get the most out of your install...it will give you a 40% increase in airspace to 1.4 cf...
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 4316
Registered: May-04
The newer Brahma is rated at 600W RMS thermally, that was the downsize. It's being geared more for a SQ subwoofer, kind of a step above where the Koda was. Good news is that the excursion is the same, the inductance was cut down by a large amount, and the suspension is designed for higher efficiency (the 1W/1M rating doesn't indicate it, but it is more efficient once you put more power to it). Bad news is thermal and mechanical power handling is down, BL is down (just the strength, not the curve), and the price is higher. The Tumult took it's place, but the Tumult ranges from $650 to $750, depending on size. Even most of the Kodas are in the $300s. Like Fishy said in another post, Adire is pulling the K-Y out :-)
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3274
Registered: Aug-04
Yeah, the prices took a pretty good jump. But Dan Wiggins posted on soundillusions a while ago, answering a person's questions about the new Brahma's power handeling. He said if your careful, you can easily go over the rated 600 watts.
 

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Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 153
Registered: May-05
Hey, you guys! Sorry about the long ol' post in the beginning. Apparently, whoever's in charge of this forum deleted my original ALL CAPS title and replaced it with one called '12" sub question' - so I copied and pasted the whole thing and put it here on this new thread with the same name minus the CAPS. (Just to clear things up)

Anyway, thanks for the input on the Brahma's. I guess the SAFEST way to go (thus far) is the IDMAX, right? Next, would be the Sound Splinter as a runner up, right?

Anymore suggestions, I'm glad to hear 'em.

Thanks again.

Oh yeah... is using polyfil a totally O.K. thing, or could it in any way cause damage, unwanted sound, response, etc. ? Just wondered, cuz the guy at the audio place I went to made a crappie face when I mentioned it. (then again, he's a little bit of a cocky jerk - lol)
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 160
Registered: May-05
Hey.....
guys?
 

Silver Member
Username: Subzer0

Richmond, KY USA

Post Number: 405
Registered: May-05
RE Sx ;).. cause I like em'
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 3736
Registered: Nov-04
Sean, go listen to IDMAx. Make sure it is in a proper enclosure. That'll make or break a sub.
Sound Splinter is a good backup.
For polyfill, use 1lb per cu ft of volume. Glue or staple them inside the box.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 161
Registered: May-05
Justin:
I appreciate your suggestion, but the enclosure required for the SX is much too big.

Isaac:
Yeah, you're probably right. Anyway, I read on another forum that someone was unhappy with their soundsplinter in a 1 cubic ft sealed enclosure. The IDMAX calls for a small sealed - it's recommended! So, thanks. Your suggestions helped alot, bro.

EVERYONE WHO RESPONDED AS WELL:
You guys are the best, thanks for helping me decide. It's more help to some of US than some of YOU could ever imagine!!!!!!

PEACE!
 

Silver Member
Username: Kd7nfr

Montpelier, ID United States

Post Number: 591
Registered: Apr-05
Eclipse Ti man. They're good about their enclosures, and handle 1,500 watts RMS.
 

Silver Member
Username: Dominirica012

Charlotte, North Carolina US

Post Number: 630
Registered: May-05
Eclipse Ti is 750rms 1500max....im sure that was just a typo on jakes part
 

Silver Member
Username: Kd7nfr

Montpelier, ID United States

Post Number: 597
Registered: Apr-05
Quick Shot: call Eclipse, they'll tell you 1,500 RMS. They underrated it. They can tell you a lot of really shweet things about when they were designing the sub.
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3327
Registered: Aug-04
The TI's don't need even close to 1500 wrms to reach full excursion. 750 will work just fine, though they do like their power, and can take more.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 166
Registered: May-05
but aren't those dual voice coils 4ohm?
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3328
Registered: Aug-04
Yeah, but I wasn't talking about you running them. I was mainly posting towrds Jake Hill.
 

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Username: Modder05

Brooklyn, Oh

Post Number: 2
Registered: Jul-05
If you are looking for SQ, then check out the Soundstream Van Gogh series of subs, if you want Spl then I suggest the Soundstream Tarantula, will take a massive amount of power and give you all the massive air movement that you desire!!
 

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Username: Kd7nfr

Montpelier, ID United States

Post Number: 602
Registered: Apr-05
Joe: yea. My friend has a 400watt RMS Clarion amp running his, and it hits hard enough you can't see straight. They're pretty effiecent subs.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 168
Registered: May-05
Ok... so what's the eclipse website? Now I'm interested.
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3337
Registered: Aug-04
www.eclipse-web.com
 

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Username: Subzer0

Richmond, KY USA

Post Number: 426
Registered: May-05
www.eclipse-web.com

Enjoy I just got my first eclipse 15" AL.

My girl bought it for me ;).

Can't go wrong with them.
 

Silver Member
Username: Riebread77

Post Number: 408
Registered: Jun-05
looking back to one of the first posts...the brahma, i believe, is rated at 600 watts per voice coil...not total...because the tumult is rated at 1000 w...and the old website said the tumults could handle 2000 watts rms...i don't think the company would downsize a brahma from 1400 watts rms to 600 watts rms...thats just doesn't sound right, even if they are going for SQ...especially for their top of the line driver...600 watts per coil would make 1200 watts rms...that sounds more accurate.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 169
Registered: May-05
Man, deciding is really hard!!!
How about this, given my circumstances... think about it for a bit... then tell me exactly what YOU would do if you were ME. No if's and's or but's - just a solid definate decision based on each one of your personal decision making abilities.
I think that would really help me alot!!!!!!!!
I know it will.
Please cooperate. Thanks again, you guys.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 170
Registered: May-05
(refer back to original post for situation, everyone)
GREATLY APPRECIATED -
yours truely,
THE INDECISIVE NU-B!
 

Gold Member
Username: Invain

Michigan United States

Post Number: 3339
Registered: Aug-04
So you already have an amp that puts out 900 wrms, right? If not then I don't even see the point to this thread. At what ohms does this amp put out the 900 wrms? 1 ohm? 2? I'll pretend that it's at 1 ohm.

Overall I'd use an ID MAX 12". Small enclosure, awsome sq, I just want to try one.

If you just returned a Max because you want more spl, then I'd use a RE SX.

I own an Avalanche, so I really can't say I'd want one, (since I already have one), but you could easily run 900 wrms to one, and they do have a ton of spl output. I really love the Avy's because of the low-end output. If you want more spl at lower frequencies, then get an Avalanche.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 171
Registered: May-05
Thanks, Joe Smoe.
(for reals, dude, thanks for your answer)
Score thus far:
avalanche = 1
idmax = 1
sx = 1
others = 0
 

Bronze Member
Username: Matt12490

Benicia, California

Post Number: 85
Registered: May-05
is it just the Ti that they underrated or did they underrate all of their subs? just wondering
 

Silver Member
Username: Kd7nfr

Montpelier, ID United States

Post Number: 616
Registered: Apr-05
I KNOW they underrated their Ti. But I'm not sure about the rest. I had an old 6123 12" Eclipse, and I was giving it a lot more than it said it'd handle. It got a little too warm if you ran it too long, but boy, for $100 bucks in a ported box, that thing hit! It was loud enough you couldn't see straight!
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 174
Registered: May-05
Score thus far:
avalanche = 1
idmax = 1
sx = 1
eclipse = 1
others = 0
 

Bronze Member
Username: Matt12490

Benicia, California

Post Number: 90
Registered: May-05
How many watts was the old 6123 and how much were you feeding it?
 

Gold Member
Username: Suleman36

Maryland U.S.A.

Post Number: 1865
Registered: Feb-05
Sean you cant really go wrong with these.

Avalanche 15

ID MAX 12

Eclipse Ti 12 or 15

All three of these subs sound amazing at 600 watts rms upto 1200 rms.
 

Silver Member
Username: Phuktupbasshead

Scottsdale, Arizona United State...

Post Number: 176
Registered: May-05
Thank you, MO.
By the way, speaking of eclipse ti's... I can't find a price for them on their website. What's average for a 12"?
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