Whats better for rap 10's or 12's?
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 36 Registered: Jun-05 | whats better for rap 10's or 12's? because thats all ide be listening to with the subs on |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 3516 Registered: Dec-04 | 12's will get deeper but if rap is all you listen to I would do a 15 or 18 |
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Bronze Member Username: Dominirica012Charlotte, North Carolina US Post Number: 70 Registered: May-05 | 12s would be louder and when people listen 2 rap all they want is loudness so go with 12s |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 38 Registered: Jun-05 | ya im lookin towards the t8500's for 12's but if i was gonna get 10's id get the 9500's |
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Silver Member Username: 54danny54Post Number: 489 Registered: Nov-04 | no go with 10's because rap has like fast bass most of the time and 10's will have better respnse time |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 39 Registered: Jun-05 | u sure cause everyone elts said 12's |
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Bronze Member Username: Dominirica012Charlotte, North Carolina US Post Number: 72 Registered: May-05 | 10s will sound better but 12s will be louder because they have more surface area |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 40 Registered: Jun-05 | ic now i got a match up for u, 2 10w7's or 2 10'' t9500's |
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Bronze Member Username: Dominirica012Charlotte, North Carolina US Post Number: 73 Registered: May-05 | on paper the mtx's....but most people will agree that the w7s are better |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 41 Registered: Jun-05 | but the mtx's will get the job done correct? |
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Bronze Member Username: NeedstheeraserMurfreesboro, TN USA Post Number: 17 Registered: Jan-05 | go with some audiobahn 12s for rap, it's a good combination |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 42 Registered: Jun-05 | the t9500's will pound though right? |
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New member Username: Bonnieman97Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-05 | yes the t9500's will pound. If you are going for rap...definetly go for the bigger sub. Rap is all about bass so if you want to be heard then go bigger....on the otherhand...if you want it to sound better on the inside of your car and dont care what other people hear, go with the smaller subs. Smaller subs can react quicker due to their smaller cone size and are tighter and much more accurate. I myself am all about the deep notes and SPL!!!! I have a 97 bonneville and my old setup was 2 15" Kicker L7's but i decided to get more serious about my SPL. I wanted louder. I just graduated medical school and got a job as a pharmacist. I started to get some fat checks so i decided to upgrade my system. When i first got my 2 15 L7's i thought it was lloud. Nothing compares to my new setup. I have worked with my friends over at the Local Audio place (Car Crazy) and we took out the back seats and custom fabricated a box for my 6 12" Solo X subs. I have 6 KX 2500.1 amps ( one for each sub) If you want to hear loud email me and i will turn on my car. You should be able to hear it where you are at. LOL j/k but i hit 159.3 dB with this setup. Im all about kicker so this my seem a little closed minded but i like kicker. If you like somthin else the more power to ya but im a kicker kinda guy. |
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Silver Member Username: ShadylimitedxPgh, Pa Usa Post Number: 220 Registered: Apr-05 | what will give more basss an sound way louder 1 or 2 of these http://www.woofersetc.com/product.asp?0=217&1=218&3=3880 or 1 or 2 of the volfenhag 12s the alum. cone `1 |
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Silver Member Username: ShadylimitedxPgh, Pa Usa Post Number: 221 Registered: Apr-05 | for rap/hip hop |
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Silver Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 685 Registered: Sep-04 | for 170 dollars get an atlas for cheaper .. im sure there are many other chouices... jsut first thing that came into mind and im really not in the mood to think right now sorry.. |
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Silver Member Username: CheapskatePost Number: 165 Registered: Mar-04 | if you're just listening to rap... 12" or larger will definately move more air and dig deeper into the gut massage range... but i would still go with a SEALED 10" (acually 8") as mentioned because smaller woofers have less masss and can *pop* faster. if you ever listen to a track with a well recorded bass drum... a smaller spaker will handle the transients better while larger and ported speakers will blurr it more. an 18" woofer will turn *boop boop boop* into *woo woo woo* but will massage your stomach more and be heard several blocks further. i'd vote for 2-4 8" woofers. my home sub is a 12" sealed unit only because i couldn't get any 8" or 10" cabinets from the place i bought my woofer. i love bass tightness, clarity and speed way more than how deep it goes. i WISH i could have a smaller woofer, but that's me. try finding a shop with demo speakers and listen for yourself. bring tracks that represent the kind of things that you'll be listening to and that you know really well and see what YOUR ears prefer. if you like deep and loud... you'll prefer larger and ported if you like faster and clearer... you'll like smaller and sealed |
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Silver Member Username: ShadylimitedxPgh, Pa Usa Post Number: 222 Registered: Apr-05 | thats what i want i want 2 be heard blocks away but what should i go wit u tell me what sub amp an tuned box |
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Silver Member Username: ShadylimitedxPgh, Pa Usa Post Number: 223 Registered: Apr-05 | an the links propley cant go no more than 15inch |
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Silver Member Username: AlpineuserWinchester, TN Post Number: 598 Registered: Mar-05 | who said go with audiobahn 12s for rap? Please escort him out the door  |
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me bia Unregistered guest | if you want a nice speaker check out the alpine type x 12 there only 200 dollars a piece on ebay. it will hit hard. tons of power and good brand |
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me bia Unregistered guest | i meant 10" sorry |
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me bia Unregistered guest | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3291%26item%3D5783349267% 26%26 |
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Silver Member Username: ShadylimitedxPgh, Pa Usa Post Number: 233 Registered: Apr-05 | hey if any of u no how i can get my bass 2 travel at lease a mile away tell me what 2 tune my box 2 an how many watts an how many subs thankx |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 52 Registered: Jun-05 | so what would u prefer the mtx t9500 or the rockford power series subs,both for 10's |
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Bronze Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 32 Registered: Jun-05 | Rap doesn't have a fast bass...trance and club music have fast bass...go with the 12...you'll get better sound quality too because it will be able to go lower with less distortion...trust me, you'll be happier with a 12" |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 53 Registered: Jun-05 | ok but rockford or mtx |
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Bronze Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 37 Registered: Jun-05 | I prefer rockford over mtx...but it depends on your budget...how much are you looking to spend? |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 56 Registered: Jan-05 | I had two 12s prior to my current configuration of four 10s. I used to listen to a lot of rap/hip hop back when Notorious B I G was still Smalls, Common had Sense, Wu wasn't selling shoes and Keith Murray hadn't been crushed by conformity. 12 or bigger are definitely better for Rap (hip/hop, west coast, ghetto bass, or gangsta) You will get more "Boom" and wider dispersion. 10s (or 8s) are great for break beats, or anything that replies of quick bass to set the tempo. Listen to the first track of Baby Anne's Mixtress release (it has two different deep bass lines; one about 1/3 thru and the other 3/4s thru) on 12s then again on 10s... If you listen to rap...go with 12s and a Class D amp and you will be happy! |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 54 Registered: Jun-05 | under $2000 so the mtx t9500 or the rockford power series |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 55 Registered: Jun-05 | or somethin better for that price without usin ebay cause i dont trust it |
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Bronze Member Username: Riebread77Post Number: 38 Registered: Jun-05 | if you have $2000 to spend...you could get better for your money than rockford or mtx...look into a jl 12w7 and 1000/1...ported or not, fast quick bass...and gets pretty loud. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 56 Registered: Jun-05 | im talkin about the whole system being under 2000 the subs and amp and box is already over, i need money for the battery and capacitor and wires and all that other junk. so lets say around like 1500 for subs box and amp |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 57 Registered: Jun-05 | plus some for installation and ill prolly need some for dynamating |
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Silver Member Username: CheapskatePost Number: 170 Registered: Mar-04 | some hip hop tracks DO feature acoustic drums. ever hear of a breakbeat? never heard of james brown? the last time i knew... old james brown riffs didn't have 808 drum machines and 303 bass synths. LOL i can't remember the name of the track offhand... but eric b. and rakim used a james brown drum riff as a loop. even on my magic mike "the name of the game is bass" CD... the "yo" track has very fast hitting and clipping of the bass notes. (*thump thump thump*) MOST of the other songs are the typical resonant *boom boom boom* though. not all hip hop songs are the same. duke boo#y's "broadway" track features a "buzzing" bass sound that would get blurred by a big ported speaker. personally i can't stand ported one note bass and slow bass blurring woofers, but that's me. i like bass that thumps... not booms. electric bass guitar has fast transients too. pump up the volume has a very punchy bassline. it sounds like you're more into SPL than SQ though. bigger woofers move more air. has anyone ever used one of those 21", 30" or mitsubishi's 64" (i think) woofers in a truck install just because they can? mcm electronics has an 8 ohm 96 dB 21" driver for $391. it's rated to 18Hz... get a couple of those if you want to shake your car apart at the seams. |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 57 Registered: Jan-05 | 2090$ gets you: Things to look for: -Ideally a deck with three outputs of 3 volt or higher... -a ported/tuned box for a louder bass (and takes up less space) -two 12s with a good combination of low hz and high SPL rating. -two amplifiers: one class D for the subs and a clas A/B for the mids and highs. -Caps to ensure the bass can come out to play (rule of thumb is 1 farad for every 1000w so go with 2 per 1000). -Proper size cabling (0 gauge from front to rear, 4 gauge for all other power connects and 12 for speakers) -yellow top Optima Here is have listed suggested equipment and cost NEW (with links to more info) Control Alpine 9833 under 300$, 3 separate 4 volt outputs (front/back/sub), excellent bass management. http://iweb.alpine-usa.com/pls/admn/item_info?p_item_name=CDA-9833 Amplifier: Subs Rockford Fosgate T10001bd at $400 all day gives you the right combination of power, quality and price. 1000w @ 1 ohm Mids/Highs Rockford Fosgate T8004 another $400 deal with 4 channel to run your mids and highs...class A/B for better quality sound 100w X4 http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/ez2rockford/ModelInfo/ModelInfo.asp?Item Key=10063516&CategoryDesc=Power%20Amplifiers Power: JL Audio 6 farad capacitor --@ 100$ more than enough juice to keep the bass pounding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14932&item=5784674159 Optima Yellow Top figure 140$ and you will never see you power gauge move as you have Magic Mike flexing you windows. http://search.ebay.com/optima-yellow Speakers: Mids/Highs Infinity 6000CS 6.5" components @ 100$ a pair...They sound as good or better as many sets cost 3 times that! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32819&item=5780970685 BASS MTX 8512-44 DVC 12" sub $200 each http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39778&item=5781881710 MTX 9512-44 DVC 12" sub $300 each http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39778&item=578372123 Enclosure: Best option is to build you own...MTX includes the design for optimal enclosures with their 8500/9500 series that spells it out for you...(essentially they give you the measurements all you need is ¾" MDF and a saw!) Wiring Dual amp kit 150$ includes 0 gauge and 4 gauge cabling with distribution block, fuses, etc... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14932&item=5783645035 That's everything you need for a killer Rap/HipHop system for 2090$ |
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Bronze Member Username: Iowahawks19Post Number: 78 Registered: Jun-05 | NOW THATS WHAT I CALL HELP^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Bronze Member Username: PhuktupbassheadScottsdale, Arizona United State... Post Number: 76 Registered: May-05 | No doubt! ... and now for the category of: best effort & specific advice in one post... Award goes to: Invictuz |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 58 Registered: Jun-05 | hey thanks alot but i forgott to mention i just put in a deck and speakers and i hooked all the speakers up to an amp(my bad) i just need under 2000 to get the whole subwoofer system goin. i already got the speaker and HU set up. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 59 Registered: Jun-05 | agreed with that award |
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cuspid fo life Unregistered guest | get cuspid, all these guys talking mtx and rockwood dont know. am-1030 1600 watts max! you cannot beat that only 50 bucks, and get yoself 4 max powers! theyre an awesome 12 incher only about 15 bucks each. you cannot go wrong with cuspid. and best of all all you need is a pretty good 12 guauge amp kit! |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 63 Registered: Jun-05 | there is not a chance i am buyin a 15 dollar sub so jump off a buliding |
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Silver Member Username: Sploosh56Ohio Post Number: 668 Registered: May-04 | doug if i was you get some good 10's and put them in ported boxes tuned to around 35 hz. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 66 Registered: Jun-05 | would u concider mtx t9500 good 1's? what 10's would u get? |
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cuspid fo life Unregistered guest | you guys just dont know!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mtx sucks more than an asian on broadway. its g@ayer than a three dolla bill, go with the max powers bro, you wont be dissappointed, each is rated 400 watts peak, but i've seen people give em 2000 watts and its takes it easier than subfanatic does up da but. and build yo self a ported box tuned to around 68 hz. if will blow yo mind more than glaswolf blows his. ya betta recognize partna~! |
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Silver Member Username: Sploosh56Ohio Post Number: 686 Registered: May-04 | mtx sucks. get some re's, jl's, eclipse, adire. something like that |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 66 Registered: Jan-05 | Doug -The MTX T9500 series are certainly going to meet your needs. whether the 9512 or 9515 be sure to get the DVC model (designated by the -44 after the model which means dual 4ohm voice coil) as it offers more flexiblity in amp choice and configuration. As i mentioned earlier; every system before both my current systems consisted of two 12s and an amp. When i listened mainly to hip-hop or rap 12s did the job with big bass that carried down the block... This time i decided to do some research and spent several months reading, questioning, auditioning and slowly acquiring components. (after six months of stacking compenents in a basement closet i showed my girlfriend: She immediately broke up with me...something about enough to pay for the ring and the wedding) In the end i determined 12s were not suited to the style of music i am most likely to play loud: breakbeat (around 138-142bpm), older metallica, older vocal country (Johhny Horton, Tenessee Ernie Ford) and Zepplin/Stones. With 10s i get a quicker response which equals a crisper bass and less likely to crowd the mids. The best advice i can offer is do what your doing...ask every question that you have; look into bass related topics; what affects delivery, rarifying and pressure, materials, current, slew rate and dampening factors etc... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: In my Jeep GC i have four MTX T81044a DVC 10" subs in sealed enclosures on an Orion 2500d with four Rockford Fosgate farad caps. (see my thread from yesteday entitled "Can a volume of .48cf provide the same level of output as .65cf?" for full system layout.) https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/144364.html |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 71 Registered: Jun-05 | well why would u need 4 caps? couldnt u get 1 big one or is it better to get more smaller ones? |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 73 Registered: Jan-05 | Doug, Why four caps: My original jeep system had the four DVC 10s, each with its own RF 301m amp which they in turn had their own cap. The theory was that if each sub had it own amp which had its own cap then power recovery would be much quicker and bass delivery would more accurate (SQ)...whats better: four subs relying on one power supply or four sub with independent power supplys when you hit a deep bass two step beat? Many/most disagreed with that theory for various reasons...during this phase of audio contemplation i came across a screaming deal on the Orion 2500d. So now i was in a position to experiment. I removed the RF 301s (they are stacked with two NIB 301s by my garage door) and installed the Orion. I began looking around for a multifarad block cap but first wanted to upgrade my alternator (for a 3rd time in a year). i came across an articles discussing the benefit of multiple small caps versus one large one along the same lines as my multiamp theory...smaller caps recharge faster and deliver multiple peaks as opposed to a single peak and the slightly longer replenish of a larger cap... All that said, i seriously doubt i could have heard a difference either way. Since i already owned the four RF caps i simply use them... the four caps are wired to present two seperate sets to the amp as it has sets of power inputs. (caps 1 and 2 = cap set 1 while caps 3 and 4 = cap set 2) The need for capacitors diminishes as the qaulity and output of your alternator increases... |
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Silver Member Username: CheapskatePost Number: 174 Registered: Mar-04 | like i said before... smaller woofers = speed and clarity bigger woofers = deeper bass and volume decide what's more important TO YOU and even better yet... go to stores that have woofers and listen for yourself. unless you live in the middle of a swamp... you can get to an audio shop... and if you're installing in a car... you sure enough can drive to one. train your ears to find out what you like best. in general... i've seen MANY rants against the "mass produced" brands at every outlet store like mtx kicker and so on. train your ears and read some reviews... or go for the quick fix. |
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Bronze Member Username: PhuktupbassheadScottsdale, Arizona United State... Post Number: 78 Registered: May-05 | good, gooood advice... take it! |
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Bronze Member Username: JaackdethBurnett, WI United States Post Number: 80 Registered: Sep-04 | How do you get that Alpine 9833 for that cost? |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 77 Registered: Jan-05 | i bought mine awhile ago at a local Circuit City (as they were phasing Alpine out) for 290$. Before buying i compared with eBay price; at the time = 370$. I put 300$ based on what i paid and a search of completed items on eBay (two new sold; one for 299$ and the other for 330$) My guess is with a little effort and some patience you could find one within two weeks for 300$ give or take shipping and insurance cost. If you were in a hurry then you may pay an extra 40-50$ to have it sooner. |
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Bronze Member Username: InvictuzSeattle, Wa Usa Post Number: 78 Registered: Jan-05 | i bought mine awhile ago at a local Circuit City (as they were phasing Alpine out) for 290$. Before buying i compared with eBay price; at the time = 370$. I put 300$ based on what i paid and a search of completed items on eBay (two new sold; one for 299$ and the other for 330$) My guess is with a little effort and some patience you could find one within two weeks for 300$ give or take shipping and insurance cost. If you were in a hurry then you may pay an extra 40-50$ to have it sooner. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 3530 Registered: Dec-04 | if you go with a top of the line 15 you will get deep low bass, good transient response, and tight kick drums. I am running a 15 in a sealed enclosure and it sounds great from blues travler to linkin park to Easy E to Tim Mcgraw. I have had many people in my car with something like baylafleck and they thought I had 4-10's and something like 3-6 mafia and they swore I had 2-18's so if you invest in a good woofer and power it correctly you will get the best of both worlds. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dz43893Chicago, Illinois United states Post Number: 79 Registered: Jun-05 | explain why you need subs for tim mcgraw? |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 3531 Registered: Dec-04 | are you kidding me? IMO you need subs for every type of music but tim mcgraw happens to have some great kick drum bass along with some great bass guitar in a few of his tracks. Country in general has some fantastic bass lines. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 3532 Registered: Dec-04 | rap isnt the only music that has bass! as a matter of fact country music is a great way to test a system as a whole. Most of it has great vocal's with full deep bass lines. I have some country music that will leave your nose tingling and sound great at the same time. Its not pure synthesized bass tracks with no reguards to vocal's(if you would call rap vocal's more like talking with a few beats and a hefty synthesized bass line) dont get me wrong I love old rap (not this new SH!T out now) but good old rap like 2-pac,easy e, dre,snoop(doggystyle days)Tribe called quest,nice n smooth, NWA,ice cube,biggie,bone thugs n harmony, stuff like that. |
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