6 12w6 in caddy
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 12 Registered: Feb-05 | per previos thread, i have decided to be safe and go ahead and get 6 12w6s for my caddy escalade, i am putting them in a sealed indiviudally devided box, and they will be aimed straight up at the roof, is there any body out there that does not think this will hit sickly obnoxially loud and clear, please let me know, they will be pushed by 2 1000/1 jl amps, and will be dynomatted in the back. what do yall think??? |
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Bronze Member Username: DankmanGranger, Indiana United States Post Number: 85 Registered: Jan-05 | Get 3 1000/1's and it will be a flawless system, and maybe get emm fiberglass enclosed or aim emm different, anyway you do it, it will beat redicuosly. |
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Bronze Member Username: AlpineuserPost Number: 85 Registered: Mar-05 | i agree get 3 amps instead of 2 will sound much better. what about capacitors and alternators and battery? u keeping those stock without a few caps? |
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Gold Member Username: JmloughreyFarmington, CT Post Number: 1007 Registered: Jul-04 | personally i think it'll just be a waste of money and/or never happen.... hope you have a good car alarm as well... |
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New member Username: Boomingdub1331Post Number: 9 Registered: Mar-05 | 3 jl 1k's? ... hope cadilac has upped there quality on there engines because that will drain the piss out of it. |
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Bronze Member Username: Joe_cOakwood, Ga Post Number: 78 Registered: Mar-05 | I think your full of .......I think it will sound great . |
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Gold Member Username: Taylor17Kopperl, Texas Post Number: 1051 Registered: Jan-05 | Yep, need 3 1000/1's, and a new alternator, and some sound dedner. |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 13 Registered: Feb-05 | i have a yellow top optima battery and will be upgrading to a 200 amp altinater, i dont see what the heck i need 3 amps for, 1 jl 1000/1 was beating the bajesus out of 2 w6s, i was told by my installers that it would give each woofer just under their nominal power, i would have to question anybody saying i need 3 amps. yall must own stock in JL AUDIO...all jokes aside, i was expecting an unanamous YES IT WILL SOUND SICK...i guess we will find out. what if any would be a downfall, other than not having 3 amps??? |
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Silver Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 150 Registered: Sep-04 | okay heres what you have to do... go with 4 13w6v2s with those 2 1000/1s ... i think that would be much better...save room and get lower... as well as give the subs the perfect amount of power |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 14 Registered: Feb-05 | how can 4 13.5 inch woofers get lower than 6 12 inch woofers, where is the logic to that, there is so much more surface space on the 6 woofers, and per this forum, that is more important then the type of speaker. |
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Silver Member Username: FishyTamaracFt.Laud, FL USA Post Number: 680 Registered: Sep-04 | Larger woofers generally play lower(even 500 6W0's's wouldn't drop as well as one 12) and 6 12W6's only have about 16% more effective piston area than 4 13W6's. I'd like to know what you plan on running for mids and highs to keep up with all this. If you plan on adding any other amps I'm not sure a 200 watt alternator will be enough. You'll certainly be taxing your electrical system when a/c, headlights, windshield wipers, etc. are imployed along with a cranked system. -Fishy |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 15 Registered: Feb-05 | the only other amp will be a jl 450/4 running 2 sets of MB quart psd series components, i was told that w/ the xtra alt and xtra battery, i will be str8.i guess i can get a bigger alt to be safe. i will get some other opions about the matter, as we all know opions are like a**holes, we all have one, and they usally stink. |
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Silver Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 153 Registered: Sep-04 | george... actually there was a lot of logic to it but fishy already set ya straight lol... where in FL are u located i;d love to hear your system when its done if your near tampa |
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Silver Member Username: FishyTamaracFt.Laud, FL USA Post Number: 682 Registered: Sep-04 | An extra battery will only help when running your system with the engine off, but a 200 amp alternator might do it. Once you get above 200 amps alternator prices start goin up purty quick. A quick and dirty way to get a conservative estimate on how much curent you need is to add up all the fuse values on the amps and add say 60 or 70 amps for your accessories. Glass is the expert in this area however and would probably recommend even a larger alternator than what my crude formula would dictate. If you go with the 200 amp see if you can get a digital volt gauge mounted up front somewhere so you can keep an eye on your voltage. I transfereed the digital readout from my cap to the half din space below my h/u and covered it with a piece of lexan. Looks pretty cool actually.  -Fishy |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1068 Registered: Dec-04 | lol the way i understand it is this. take each amp and there rms rating...devide it by 12, better safe than sorry, so if its 1200 rms its 100 ok...just to be easy lol...if its a class d amp..add 20 percent so its 120, thats for 1 amp, around 60 for all the other stuff in your car, so with that one amp you will need a 170 amp alt, and if its an a/b amp you will need to add 40 percetn...thats how i think it goes lol...maybe wrong |
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Silver Member Username: FishyTamaracFt.Laud, FL USA Post Number: 683 Registered: Sep-04 | With Subfan's formula: 2 x 1000/1 = 2*(1000/12)*1.2 = 200 amps + 1 x 450/4 = (450/12)*1.4 = 52.5 amps + accessories = 60 amps = 200 + 52.5 + 60 = 312.5 amps With the fish formula: I forgot! JL's ain't got no external fuses, but this is their recommendations for at the battery. 2 x 1000/1 = 100 + 100 = 200 amps + 1 x 450/4 = 60 amps + accessories = 60 amps = 200 + 60 + 60 = 320 amps Pretty close I like my method. Its simple and probably works better for the more crappier stuff out there. Manufacturers may lie about their power ratings but current draw @ 12 volts don't lie..... well I guess they could install an abnormally large fuse, but that would be dumb even for Sony. -Fishy |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1079 Registered: Dec-04 | welll fishy...also...i like your method lol...but jl's amps are great on power...like the 500/1 only has a 47 amp draw from your battery and alt full power..and i think somsone told me the 1000/1 is like 80..i fogot about that...lol |
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Silver Member Username: FishyTamaracFt.Laud, FL USA Post Number: 684 Registered: Sep-04 | Those figures may be at 14 volts(would be higher at 12), but yeah, I don't think he needs a 300 amp alternator either. You'd have to be running with a lot of clipping or white noise at full volume to get a constant 207 amp current draw with those three amps. Doubt you'd have a problem with actual "music", but the added accessories might pose a problem for a 200 amper. Thats why I recommended a voltage gauge, so he knows when to turn down the tunes, or if he's feeling brave..... heck, who needs them headlights or windshield wipers anyways? -Fishy :P |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1086 Registered: Dec-04 | i dont....god knows that |
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Silver Member Username: AaaavvPost Number: 124 Registered: Jan-05 | a 200 amp alternator should be fine as long as hes not pushing his system to hard, but a little bigger would be better |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 16 Registered: Feb-05 | i am in jacksonville fl, and am am going to go w/ my gut and get the 6 12w6s, i have got conflicting info on whether 4 13w6s will sound better than 6 12w6s, so i am go w/ the more the merrier theory, far as the altinater, i will try to go as large as i can, this is something i have no knowledge of, any good name brands, i hear MEAN GREEN is pretty good and cost effective. any suggestions...what i am trying to do Tampa Boy is get it where you can hear from where i am at now...hahahahah |
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Bronze Member Username: ImportrapistSavannah, GA U.S.A Post Number: 37 Registered: Mar-05 | How much do each one of those JL speakers cost???? |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1127 Registered: Dec-04 | 350-400 |
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Bronze Member Username: ImportrapistSavannah, GA U.S.A Post Number: 41 Registered: Mar-05 | Jesus, thats alot of money!!!! BIG BALLER GEORGE ha ha ha |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1133 Registered: Dec-04 | haha yea...me and my poor folk lol |
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Bronze Member Username: ImportrapistSavannah, GA U.S.A Post Number: 44 Registered: Mar-05 | ha ha ha ha ha |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 17 Registered: Feb-05 | damn str8 i am a baller, that system should be finished tomorrow...i will let yall know if it is sick or just good |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1294 Registered: Dec-04 | its not gonig to be just good...its giong to be completly bada$$, just downright crazy |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 23 Registered: Jul-04 | that sucks i get em for somethin like 180 a pop |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1325 Registered: Dec-04 | how the hell do you geth them so cheap |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 26 Registered: Jul-04 | if you know the right people its even possible to get em for free. i got the w6 and a 500/1 for 600 even. not too shabby. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1330 Registered: Dec-04 | b*aster lol |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 30 Registered: Jul-04 | yea man i cant get jl at those prices all the time but if ur intrested i can always get prices like that on other manufactures....if u want anything ask me weather or not i can get it and ill try to get a price. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1342 Registered: Dec-04 | any chance you could get me a good price on an ednine.1 |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 31 Registered: Jul-04 | who makes it? |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1344 Registered: Dec-04 | elemental design...i need a good amp that puts out like 750-1000 watts rms at 2 or 8 ohms lol |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 32 Registered: Jul-04 | my bad, didnt think about that one, no i cant get good prices on elemental designs, anything major, infinity, panasonic, pioneer, pg, soundstream, clarion, sony(dont get many requests tho), momo, and i think MTX but im not sure i can check tho. |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1346 Registered: Dec-04 | lol, i must kno how...nice connections lol |
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Silver Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 195 Registered: Sep-04 | hey joe what can you get a JL 500/1 for? |
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Bronze Member Username: JlojkoPost Number: 40 Registered: Jul-04 | sorry meant cant get jl all the time i can only get other stuff |
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Silver Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 199 Registered: Sep-04 | oh alright... well what about zapco... i doubt it but hey its worth a try lol or xtant lol |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 18 Registered: Feb-05 | system is in and bumping, not completely finished but i heard it being tested and all i can say is there is not going to be many people that can get w/ me now, maybe competion grade cars but thats would be it, it sounds sooo clean, who ever said i need 3 jl 1000/1 would have been seriosly mistaken, it might have been a little louder, but not worth the price, plus even in my Escalade i am low on room for anymore equitment...i will try to get a picture so any of you gits on this site can see what a real deal system looks like.hahahaha no seriosly, it is a basic design but clean anf very effective along w/ ost effective. Check yall later |
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Shab Unregistered guest | gits? I bet your some 16 year old kid.. anyways I hope you dumb@ss didn't leave your car registeration in the glove compartment when you took it to get subs installed. Cause they will just end up comming to your address and stealing the stuff you just bought from them!! |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1419 Registered: Dec-04 | lol i bet it sounds pretty nice! did u get it metered while you were there |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 19 Registered: Feb-05 | no, they dont have one, i will let yall know when i do |
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Gold Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 1435 Registered: Dec-04 | ok cool thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: Gakel05Florida Usa Post Number: 20 Registered: Feb-05 | whoever said i am a 16yr old, is just flattering me, your about ten yrs off...and i dare someone to come to my house and try to take my stuff, hect i will put my address on here right now and leave the keys on the front steps...if you knew me, you would take that back. Plus you would need the crew from Oceans 11 to pull that off. |
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Silver Member Username: FordpwrLos angeles, CA Usa Post Number: 142 Registered: Dec-04 | your a stup1d 26 yr old... |
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Gold Member Username: JmloughreyFarmington, CT Post Number: 1040 Registered: Jul-04 | ^^^^ agreed |
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Bronze Member Username: SteelheadgoofFairfield, California US Post Number: 11 Registered: Mar-05 | Now all you need to worry about is actually hearing your music. That system is sick, but personally I think you went over board. Your system is not competition grade, subs are the icing on the cake. You need just the right amount, and the right taste. You are going to need a serious set of components to play over all that icing. MB Quart Qs in the front on a 300/2 will be nice, If you do not care about the people in the back. Any good system requires balance and tone. You have some serious balancing to do. |
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Bronze Member Username: DankmanGranger, Indiana United States Post Number: 87 Registered: Jan-05 | Still should get the 3 1000/1's and it will be to the fullest SQ/SPL |
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Silver Member Username: FishyTamarac Ft.Laud, FL USA Post Number: 747 Registered: Sep-04 | I own a pair of 5 1/4" Q's running off an Xtant 4180c @ 180 watts each with a pair of 10w3's at 250 watts each(1001dx) for bass and I'm tellin ya right now one pair of 6 1/2 Q's will nowhere near keep up with 6 12's. I know 5 1/4's aren't as efficient for midbass and all but my two 10's just plain wallop my Quarts. If I want to listen to anything in the classical genre my sub gain has to come way down or it sounds like crapola. -Fishy |
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