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Integrated Bargains!

 

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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4869
Registered: Feb-07
In the spirit of my good friend CM's "Speaker Bargains!" thread, you guys may be interested in this deal.

The Cambridge Audio 840A is at the end of it's run, and scheduled for discontinuance (I might have just made that word up).

They're heavily discounted now. 2k retail here in Canada, on sale here in Canada now for 999. They're even cheaper in the States.

I just picked one up today.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3588
Registered: Jun-07
Called my dealer today David, and he said 900 plus taxes for the 840, and 1800 taxes in for the top of the line pre amp and amp combo. Sweet deals.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 14916
Registered: Feb-05
Looks like a good deal and might help ease the move up for a Cambridge fan.
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4871
Registered: Feb-07
Man, 1800 for the 840E and 840W? That's crazy. They usually list for over 2k each here in Canada. I'm a huge CA fan (as you probably know). The 840A, while not having the snob factor of a lot amps I've had, is by far the most fun and easiest to listen to.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3589
Registered: Jun-07
Ya good deal. That is what I am all about lately, musical/fun to listen to instead of listening for which amp pulls the most details, does this right, does that right. I am over that. I am still really enjoying the 5i, but am going to try the cambridge 840 as it has some features I would like to have, and if it sounds as musical as the little Naim, then its a win win for me.
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4872
Registered: Feb-07
I'm about the same thing lately Nick. I've found you don't have to spends tons of money to find something you really like. I've spent tons of money to find I don't have to spend tons of money. If that makes sense.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 14926
Registered: Feb-05
Makes perfect sense to me.
 

Gold Member
Username: Kbear

Canada

Post Number: 1133
Registered: Dec-06
That's a pretty sweet deal, Dave. I guess the CA sound is for you. It's supposed to be a good match with MA too I think. Do you know if they are coming out with an 850?

I tried a couple of integrateds over the last couple of months. One that Art had (the Unico P) and the Anthem 225. I'd like to try the 5i too, maybe next year in a full fledged Naim system (well, source, amp, and cables at least). It's all about synergy though. Although the differences were rather subtle, in my system I preferred what I already had.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3590
Registered: Jun-07
Dan, is this the Unison amp you tried?

http://highendaudioexchange.ca/products.shtml?search=Category&q=integrated%20amp lifiers

What did you like, and not like about it? What was the associated gear during you using it?

How did it match up against the hefty Anthem 225?
 

Gold Member
Username: Kbear

Canada

Post Number: 1134
Registered: Dec-06
Hey Nick,

Yeah, that's it. I'll start another thread on this forum so as to keep this one about integrated bargains.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3593
Registered: Jun-07
Purchased one today. Will pick it up early Saturday.
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4873
Registered: Feb-07
BOIIIIINNNGGG!
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3594
Registered: Jun-07
lol BOOINNGGG

Man, Saturday seems to far away though. Gonna be a painful week.lol
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4874
Registered: Feb-07
It will come soon enough my friend.

You gonna list the Naim?
 

Gold Member
Username: Kbear

Canada

Post Number: 1138
Registered: Dec-06
Cool stuff guys, sounds like a heck of an amp for the price. Looking forward to impressions and comparisons against what you owned previously. Nick, do you run your Nait with Naim speaker cable?
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3595
Registered: Jun-07
David - Yup, will get the pictures taken tomorrow night, throw it up on CAM. Gonna A/B to the CA hard though first. Give the CA a few days to break in. Even if I like the Naim better sound wise, I will probably still sell it as well as the CA and try something until I get the features I want, and the sound. lol I am really hoping the CA knocks my damn socks off. I am sure it will definitely surprise me.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3596
Registered: Jun-07
Dan- Heck no! lol. My amp rack is at the back of my room about 26 feet away from my speakers. The cables are run up the inner wall, through the drop ceiling and out down a side wall and to the speaker so no wires can be seen. If I were to buy NAIM speaker cable at that length it would cost me a second mortgage. lol. I really do not buy into the Naim cable thing, I really think its a Marketing ploy and is total BS personally. I have had the NAIM Nait AND XS in my house this year, and I can tell you the NAIM sound is very very good IMO. My real problem with NAIM, is lack of connectivity, which before would not matter, but does to me now, and the connection types. No Speaker terminals, just holes for banana plugs (why, what is better than straight wire to the connection? nothing!) and DIN connectivity instead of Balanced. Hey Naim 1950 called they want their DIN connection back. Sort of annoying. Sound is great though, which matters most, and is why I still love the Nait 5i.
 

Gold Member
Username: Kbear

Canada

Post Number: 1139
Registered: Dec-06
Yeah, the Exposure only has holes for banana plugs too. But it's alright, I have kind of grown to prefer banana terminations. The sound I get from the 2010s2 sounds a lot like how people describe the Naim sound. Plenty of Naim fans enjoy Exposure amps, so I think I've got a nice picture of what a Naim set up sounds like. But I'd like to try one to be sure, as it's probably somewhat different. And now especially given I've got the CD player. Not in the market right this second though, otherwise I might be interested in your 5i.

As for cables, I can see why you didn't opt for the Naim cable. It's relatively inexpensive, but 26' would hurt! My amp benefited greatly from moving to LFD cable, recommended by a dealer who deals only with British gear and used to sell Exposure. So I am kind of a believer in amp/cable matching - that's not to say that only one cable will work, but rather any cable that works with that particular amp design should do the trick. And given that your 5i sounds great and you are content with the sound, it's likely that your cables are fine.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3598
Registered: Jun-07
That was my thought too Dan. I wouldn't doubt Naim cable would perhaps improve the sound a bit, my problem is biting on what these companies are charging for some 5 dollar cable terminated with a 2 dollar banana plug on the end. There high end cable, now we can sell it for 300 dollars for 6 feet. lol. Painful. Cut open a Naim cable, its just basic run of the mill cable, with a banana plug soldered and heat shrink on. lol Kills me.

Ya I have heard from multiple people that NAIM and Exposure share a lot of similarities. Especially with the 2010. I read both reviews at Stereophile on the both the 2010 and 3010 and it would appear both sound very different from each other. Stereophile claimed they liked the 2010 better, but again, just one mans opinion. A local dealer in Kingston was telling Dave that he can't think of an amp under 3K that would top his 3010. Dave prefers the 840a however. Preferences I suppose.
 

Gold Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 2646
Registered: Oct-07
Considering how polarizing 'd' amps are, maybe i shouldn't.... but the W4S kilowatt integrated at $2.20 a watt is pretty darn inexpensive. This amp gets some play with the Panel speaker folks,
Abundent / cheap watts trumping costlier but better watts? For over $27.00 per watt, give me that Pass INT-150. for over 8 large, perhaps a bargain, after all.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 14977
Registered: Feb-05
Hey Cambridge guys...check the CD player forum, got a question for you.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 14998
Registered: Feb-05
If I had the dough I'd take one out for a spin.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3609
Registered: Jun-07
The Cambridge Art? I am selling the Naim to pay for it. Also get to sell the Paradigm Monitor 7's as the Cambridge allows for one of its inputs to be used with your AVR while still acting as a integrated with the other inputs. It also allows you to set the Gain for the input to match up with the volume levels of the AVR/Speakers. I am also planning on selling the paradigm sub and buying a Totem Storm to do double duty for music and movies. All in all, one of my plans was to benefit from the feature set of the CA to actually come out ahead financially as long as it sounded good. Which it does.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 15000
Registered: Feb-05
Yeah...why not. It's affordable and as I said in Mordy's thread, if it didn't work out a person could sell it at minimum loss once the clearance is over.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Canada

Post Number: 3610
Registered: Jun-07
It is a fantastic piece. I am loving it. Sonically it reminds me of some more expensive amps I have heard.
 

Gold Member
Username: Exerciseguy

Fort Hamilton, NY United States

Post Number: 3534
Registered: Oct-04
I like this thread :-)
 

Gold Member
Username: Gavdawg

Albany, New York

Post Number: 1666
Registered: Nov-06
The Pioneer Elite A 35-R!
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Amplifiers/A-35R

This is a $200, 45WPC, 4ohm stable design

The Miniwatt tube integrated

http://www.miniwatt.com.hk/amplifiers/miniwatt-n3.html

I've got a good bit of wine in me so I'll elaborate more when I feel like it :-P
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 4927
Registered: Feb-07
The Pioneer looks interesting. Wouldn't mind hearing that.

Isn't the Miniwatt the one Jan had trouble with?
 

Gold Member
Username: Gavdawg

Albany, New York

Post Number: 1668
Registered: Nov-06
I have a Miniwatt, and had the Pioneer.

The Miniwatt is a great entry-level piece of kit, fabulous for somebody who wants much more than a taste of tube goodness at a rock bottom price point. The only gotcha that I can think of is that it is practically impossible to roll tubes on the less expensive version. I have noticed a very slight hardness on the uppermost treble. To my ears this is not distracting from the overall enjoyment of this piece as the amp itself is very balanced.

The pioneer by direct comparison has a more relaxed and mellow sound. Some may feel that it is cloudy and glosses over detail. While I feel that the Elite is a good piece of kit, it does not like speakers that have a requirement for current. Hook these up to a set of klipsch and you will be golden. If it sounds tubby or too fat, more than likely the speakers are demanding too much of it.

I had to remember that I was using this piece in a system where the CD player cost me 5 times what the amp did, and it lived happily there for a year (a-35r).
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