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Twin Towers BUILD LOG

 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 57
Registered: Jun-04
Finances are here. Time to start ordering. PICS and VIDS to come! What is for sure: 2 Fi Audio IB3 18's, each in their own 128 cubic foot box (before displacement) with a 12" sonotube port 48" long ( to begin with, will cut down raising tuning over time) resulting in a 6.5Hz tune! Dual EP2500's or EP4000's.

I am building from the floor up... scratch. I need a solid 7.1 receiver capable of more than 110 watts per channel. I plan on building MT's or MMT's designed by Kevin with Exodus A n a r c h y ' s. IDK about using a HP filter yet.. but I may go as high as 15Hz with the tune...I'll start low and have myself some fun and learn all the way up to 15Hz.

I'd like some input on the receiver... THX Ultra Certified preffered.. but $500-$600ish seems a good price point. I would also like some input from you guys on a new PC with Blu Ray and whatever I'd need to run REW and connect it to a 40" LCD HDTV.

Got a new hard drive at Best Buy today, grabbed War of the Worlds while I was there... (BTW do I want to play it in DTS or Dolby Digital?) and looked at pro audio amps, PC's, monitors, flat panel TVs... and I saw a sony 7.1 770 watt strdn1000 with 4 hdmi 1080i upscaling 110rms x 7@8ohms r2d2.... any good?



I'll also be building a van walled off with 4 IB3 18's.... ported and tuned to 15Hz most likely. See the Car Audio section for it's build log! Lots of batteries and amps going in there, and some Adire Audio Extremis 6.4's and CSS FR125S's! 10X's the power needed...
 

Gold Member
Username: Jrbay

Livonia [Detroit area], Michigan USA

Post Number: 1110
Registered: Feb-08
I certainly wouldn't recommend any Sony product. Compare the Sony to products from Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, and Pioneer (among others) to see what you enjoy listening to the most.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 14565
Registered: May-04
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That's the best laugh I've had today.


A receiver! THX Ultra certified to drive these subwoofers!!!



$50,000 total invested in your AV system.



$600 max for the new receiver!!!!!




128 cubic feet displacement?!!!!!!!!!


Each?!!




6.5Hz tuning ...




"Pro amps" at Best Buy?!!!!!








I can't recollect what white Kryptonite does to Superman. Make him buy silly audio stuff?



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Silver Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 893
Registered: Oct-07
128ft/cubed is a box just over 5' on a side.

Jordan, forget the HT receiver if you want some power. The Sony you mention would be lucky to kick out much more than 75x7 under loud music / HT conditions. I assume you like it LOUD....

A good HT pre/pro is recommended along with an amp with some BLLS
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 59
Registered: Jun-04
Got the VAN. Got the CAM. Got Star Trek, Transformers, and G.I. JOE. Got 2 12" ports. Who has 12" sonotube ports? I do NOT bring the cat into this. EVER! He does it all on his own! I think he's good for scaling anyway.

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 897
Registered: Oct-07
I'd take all the money being wasted in car audio and put it to a real HT setup.

BTW, great cat. Now, How you gonna keep it from climbing INTO your your new speaker thru the port? MEOW! It'll happen, you know and when you least expect it. Some infra sonic blast will give the darn thing a heart attack IN the speaker than you'll have THAT mess to clean up as well as the divorce from your stereo killing the wife's cat. Or when it panics while in the speaker, it'll shred one of those nice subs.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 60
Registered: Jun-04
The cat goes in the box ALL the time! I have pics on other forums... I can play sine waves at tuning and he will crawl in the port! He will sit inside the box with sine waves playing!
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 61
Registered: Jun-04
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Decided to grab the Samsung, the only one with Netflix live stream capability..man what I had to go thru to get it... it's the floor display, paid full price...but I got the last one!

Bought Transformers and a bunch of other movies the other day...normal DVD... opened them all but Transformers so i can take that one back, and the lady that grabbed 2012 Blu Rey grabbed 2... so I can take that back tomorrow too LOL. I'll give all the others to my friends n fam!


I use hulu.com and I play my music from my PC on my HT. So how do I connect my cheap walmart PC I have to my HDTV and receiver? That was why I wanted to build an HTPC... so I can just run it all off it.

just bougt NEW DENON AVR 2310 7.1 RECEIVER AVR2310 avr 2310ci
$639.99 USD
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 62
Registered: Jun-04
Here is MHO.

20 years ago what was the new big thing? What was top of the line? What were the rich intelligent guys thinking when they bought the best of the best?

15 years ago.. 5 years later... that stuff was out dated. The mid-level semi-intelligent guy would go out and buy mid level stuff that was better than the top of the line 5 years before.

10 years ago...that 15 years ago gear was blown out of the water.

6 years ago I bought a Kenwood VR-7070 that made me more than happy. Running 6 pairs of Kicker DX69 3 way 6x9's and a Kicker S15L7 square subwoofer. I LOVED it.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 63
Registered: Jun-04
Pretty sure I can spend $400 again, like I did 6 years ago, and be more than satisfied.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 14570
Registered: May-04
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"Here is MHO.

20 years ago what was the new big thing? What was top of the line? What were the rich intelligent guys thinking when they bought the best of the best?"




I assume you're actually asking for an answer since you would have been 4 at the time.



"15 years ago.. 5 years later... that stuff was out dated"



Ahhhhhhh, the voice of youth, having not been on a sales floor in years I'd forgotten how it sounds at times.




"Pretty sure I can spend $400 again, like I did 6 years ago, and be more than satisfied."



You mean when you were 18. Hey, look, you get to legally buy alchohol now, that's gotta help.





It takes a lot of $400 buys to make a $50,000 system.


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Silver Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 911
Registered: Oct-07
My cats went in the box all the time, too. Glad the box was thru the cat-door into the garage. Continuing to breathe is important to me.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 64
Registered: Jun-04
hehe anyway...

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Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 65
Registered: Jun-04
just got that TV above (can't edit posts?) and 2 EP4000's
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 66
Registered: Jun-04
cpl ?'s.. What cables do I need for receiver to EP4000's? RCA to XLR? Do I need a splitter or is this .2?

Also, I got a cheap Samsung Blu-Rey with the Netflix live stream capability player at walmart... it is LOUD! Sounds like an old printer! Any known issues? I went thru hell and back for it...they were sold out..tried to reorder more for me..couldn't..thought maybe discontinued..so I bought the floor display for full price..wouldn't give me the usual 20% disp discount.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 68
Registered: Jun-04
We've already established that my home is hood. My setup is ghetto. please don't make fun of my imported curtains from spain, that's not nice and I don't want to have to rub it in your face how much I was able to get them for! I'll be painting soon, getting shades soon...but who cares it's all about the sub. WARNING car audio guys. These are boring vids. They are ONLY to demonstrate and document how these low BL, under motored "IB" subs have so much efficiency when given airspce. This is also to show that I do get a little port turbulence. This is only around 100 watts. It shakes my house and everything in it. On the opposite side of my home my windows rattle and the home completely breathes in and out with every woofer stroke. We will see what happens with a pair of EP4000's later on.

You do NOT need to turn it down! NEW CAMERA!

WOTW's:

Semi trucks

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08-wdYLYnA[/url]

Litening

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOgvx6-pXYg[/url]

road break/church break

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVfQeNr3V4Q[/url]

Pod emerges

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6foAbdbIkYk[/url]

10Hz

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmgeztgZPpE[/url]

15Hz

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66JzHHVooXA[/url]

several sine waves... 18Hz 20Hz 25Hz 30Hz 35 40 and 45 I think. pretty loud considering!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ZkwbHEi6Q[/url]

To me it is all about airspace. I have 100 watts, a super low tuning, and a "weak IB sub".




if you have a strong stomach... my house needs a lot of work. i could care less, so all "fix your house then get a stereo" comments will get ignored along with "get better gear from better stores" comments.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw2AgXgqzns[/url]

1st with low then pushed hard for more output. I sealed up my kitchen window a couple days ago because it used to flop around so bad from the subsonics...but it still has a little rattle to it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urB51cFyjm0[/url]
 

Platinum Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 14583
Registered: May-04
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Yeah, my windows used to rattle at two Hertz too.























The fun part was you could get high and count the shakes.



























It's all about air, my man, all about air!


























And making things shake.




























 

Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 14695
Registered: Dec-04
You have done some good solid work here,Jordan, but it's really not up to Harvard standards, now is it?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 71
Registered: Jun-04
just purchased 6 Fi Audio IB3 18's custom dual 4 ohm. Why? cuz it's double the coil in the gap. Double the wire to split the current flow.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 74
Registered: Jun-04
The Samsung Blu-Rey player I got let me down.. it's loud, sounds like an old printer. If you take the disc out it forgets where it was at and starts over. It can't read any of my burnt CDs, DVDs, or... other material. Sometimes the words don't match the faces on screen. This is compared to the last 2 DVD players I've owned over the years that each cost 30 bucks. So I bought the $100 Blu-Rey .. Magnavox.. so I could give the Samsung to my mother who won't care about all that and wants Netflix live stream. This one is the same... can't read burnt CDs or..other material. Forgets where it was at.

I had $35 of best buy rewards to use up...I figured about $20-$40 for a pair of RCA to XLR cables... they were 99c a piece! So I bought the last 5 they had! So then I had $35 rewards to still burn up, so I got a 100ft spool of Monster Cable :-( I HATE them. Walmart years ago had 50ft spools of yellow 12gauge for 10 bucks. I still have 1 or 2 left cuz I bought like 6 of them 6 or 7 years ago.

Bought rear drums and shoes for the van, as well as plugs, air and oil filter, and oil. The AC clutch is the fan noise problem. I may just pull the entire AC system like I did on my Accent GT and put the HO alt in it's place? Good idea?

I went to Sears today.. $190 for DieHard platinum. $805 for 4 of them. What ya'll think? get those tomorrow morning or order the Shuriken or Delta?

HT receiver and EP4000's shipped yesterday.


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Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 77
Registered: Jun-04
Got the Denon today, should I run optical audio out from the Samsung or HDMI?

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Silver Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 932
Registered: Oct-07
I would NEVER tell you to fix your house before a stereo upgrade.
What kind of a moron do you take me for? It would be unfortunate were you to discover your house was tuned for 10 or 12 hz.

Does Sioux Falls have a real stereo store or would you have to make your way to the Twin Cities? How far away is White Bear Lake. You REALLY need to visit there....ask why and I'll tell you!

I would only ask that on your way to ......wherever.....you take a detour to a real store and hear a decent system in a nice setting. It might be an eye-opener.

This is just my opin, but I NEVER saw the need for megabuck car stereo. I always figured I'd spend whatever I'd waste on car stuff on something for the house.

If all you're concerned with is audio than I'd go with optical. HDMI would be recommended if video were involved.

Say hi to the Mall of America for me, please.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 78
Registered: Jun-04
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says HD audio in the red bubble...
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 81
Registered: Jun-04
Started tear down on the van , going to get wood tomorrow... build in the towers first.

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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 3725
Registered: Feb-07
Nice cat.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 82
Registered: Jun-04
My cat friggen rulz! He plays in the port and goes inside the box during full blast test tones and when I snap pics of him he has a lazer beam eye!
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 83
Registered: Jun-04
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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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Registered: Jun-04
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 3728
Registered: Feb-07
That's a very, very large box you have there Jordan.
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 938
Registered: Oct-07
internal bracing next? I hope.

How do you move this monster?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 85
Registered: Jun-04
im hoping to find 5' allthread, otherwise 2x4s..and it's not goin anywhere! If I need to move it, I need to take a saw to it!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 86
Registered: Jun-04
UM, how am I clipping an EP4000 @ 4ohms with an IB3 18?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmRwYGAGjs

ok ya it does when the gain is set to full, Denon at -12, sub level +12 (full) but the sub should bottom/die well before I reach clipping! EP4000 all switches left except 3 6 and 7. BTW, notice the low note doesn't clip and I get awesome excursion..sounds good... impedance helped.
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 941
Registered: Oct-07
http://www.mcmaster.com/#threaded-studs/=68lxs2

Above is link to all the allthread your little heart could possible desire.
You can get 6 foot lengths........\

I recommend the Acme thread which is gigantically stronger than the standard thread.
You will need hardware to match, also available at above link.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 87
Registered: Jun-04
it does great with lows, just not highs. Popped in Star Trek... that volum.. gain knob went way down. I expected the same for music but I'll get it figured out. I got this dual 2 sub to play with till the dual 4s get here.

I said I had turbulence with 100 watts. But this is ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bH-vBmcvJc

fan noise at the end too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJuDR_q48Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAgoszeswKg
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 88
Registered: Jun-04
thanks for the link leo! I may have to order some of that... subs are on the way, hope I can find local
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 89
Registered: Jun-04
here's another clipping vid.. gain starts off at 26.. yet on star trek, the sub bottoms at 14. I guess LFE with DVD/Blu-Rey is much much hotter. I've spent the night watching and adjusting with remotes in hand. During movies the sub can be inactive for so long, so weak most of the time, then.... ya. So for movies the amp is overkill as expected... even with the gain way down it over drives the sub. But then with music it can't really push it.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zwutuLaT-M]YouTube - CIMG0252.AVI[/url]
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 90
Registered: Jun-04
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OK Ricci, I get it now.. increased airspace increases low end output...not high end...on a sloping scale. So building super large requiring less power overall decreses high bass

output. So what if a gentle slope of 1dB/oct HP was used up high say around 30Hz to allow more power applied?

So we all knew it was a matter of time..just didnt expect an hour. The amp clipped bad probably due to bad house electrical, on music. I had to set the gain to 26 for decent

output for music any more and it clipped. But on movies even way down at 14 it bottomed the sub hard. So ya. I did it. I broke it already. alright? So anyway...tried to kill it

by blasting it at tuning... forgot I retuned to 11Hz so the 1st attempts were at 17Hz then last at 11Hz.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYnHD9N3LlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Z3-hR4c70
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 92
Registered: Jun-04
so I got the best girl in the world.. i have 3 gal friends, but 2 have been fallin back on their word.. was supposed to get some help painting and picking blinds..but ya know, i

don't care about looks one bit...I care about the builds. This girl been getting her butt kicked helping unload wood and building. I had her cut the cone out for the recone, and

she said "shouish!" I'm a selfish pos.. :-( she sliced/stabber herself right after I said it and blood squirted everywhere. The cut was deep...but she was a trooper. She refused

the hospital but i made her. No stitches, it was a big clean cut so it went back together nicely...put a strip on and sent us home. I owe this girl my life she done so much for

me.

So we get home and she picks the knife back u and says "now what?" so we finished cutting the cone off and went to bed :-)

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Username: Jan_b_vigne

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Registered: May-04
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That must be on he!! of a battery you got in that camera!
 

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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

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Registered: Feb-07
You're making progress there Jordan. Glad to hear your ladyfriend there is ok.... sounds like a nasty cut.

You putting this thing in the back of your Civic?
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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hehe ya guys make me laugh :D

ya she's a super trooper :-)

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1 complete less a port brace... and onto #2...

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

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Anyone want to guess what that other cut out line is for?

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

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Username: Magfan

USA

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Registered: Oct-07
This is nutty, but I admire your enthusiasm.

Get the allthread yet?

Get ACME threads if it is in the budget. If you don't know, ask.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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Username: Magfan

USA

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You know, JP that those HUGE unsupported walls will ring like an MDF bell? You need some radial approach to damping these bad boys...
and I don't mean internal damping, I mean wall stiffening or even sand filled double walls....or a lead sheet between double walls or something to damp the awful resonance sure to come.

If you are playing a nice, loud fundamental at a low but not off the wall frequency...say 30hz, it is possible for these huge unsupported walls to vibrate at 2x and even 3x that frequency. lower fundamental may be worse.
Are you considering bridging walls with the allthread and applying a little compression? That'll help, but not be 'the final solution'.
 

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 14754
Registered: Dec-04
Use the garage as a bandpass box, or IB.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

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Registered: Feb-07
Wow!
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 108
Registered: Jun-04
This is only going to cause more debate and more argument, but I'll try to explain my OPINION anyway. 1st problem: I am 99% concerned with 20Hz on DOWN only! But that statement will go nowhere with many. So for one plot I put a LOW PASS filter on the IB because I want more output from 10-20Hz and little output in comparison from 20Hz on up. 8 18's would be WAY overkill from 20Hz on up, but comparable to 20Hz on down with just 2 in my enclosures.I plotted to get as close to Xmax without exceeding as I could using SSF/HP filters on the vented boxes, and no filter on the IB allowing it to not exceed Xmax till 7Hz allowing electronics rolloff to take care of it real-world.

RED 125 cubs 13Hz HP 13Hz 1500 watts

GREEN 125 cubes 10Hz HP 10Hz 1100 watts

PINK 1111 cu ft sealed (IB) no HP, 1 pic with LP 10Hz 2700 watts (Fi rated them 550 watts to 20Hz, appeared correct, but I must be good to at least 10Hz)


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One of the best pics doesnt always show up...bandwidth exceeded:

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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Registered: Jun-04
2 problems 1 at a time: I have a 7.1 receiver, I run an HDMI from my Blu-Rey to the rceiver, but I only get 5.1. The rear speakers do not light up on the little map on the display, even when DTS is detected or True HD...nor is there any sound ever from the 2 rears
 

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 14762
Registered: Dec-04
Check your setup, bud, the rear 6,7 might be assigned to co-power the fronts
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 111
Registered: Jun-04
Thanks Nuck. I thought HD was all discrete 7.1

it is not. checked my movies, they are 5.1 :-(
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 112
Registered: Jun-04
Now that I have the 7.1/5.1 figured out.. I thought HD was always discrete 7.1... owell moving along...

problem 2 is clipping. for movies, as expected, I have WAY too much power @ 40hms...which is why I ordered dual 4's... so I'll *only* have 3X the power I need at 8 ohms. But right now, with movies, the sub still has too much excursion with the gain only on 14... but for music I have to turn it up to 26 to get resonable output. At 26 the sub wants more, has plenty of room...but the amp starts clipping a touch above that. 2 more clicks and it clips HARD on higher frequencies but not lower. So is my electrical bad? I have RCA to XLR. I have the receiver sub maxed at +12.5dB.


So anyway, I no longer have my helper ( NOT my wife, NOT my girlfriend...a really nice gal..that is a friend of mine..I am just as unconventional in every other aspect of my life :D I don't have girlfriends or wives :D )

Now I know many people are gonna say "how about port support!" but I am not sticking with a 6.5Hz tune! Read the entire thread before posting! I need a 5" long port with a 12" sonotube in 125 cubic feet for a 15Hz tune! 5" port length! 10Hz I think was 17"... I am leaving 5" of overhang on the outside so that I have 2 free ends... 11.25" will be just fine...but I know I will hear just as much over that as I have over my bracing. and NO I am NOT bracing anymore than those 2 little 2x4's making that X... thanks for the ideas, thanks for the suggestions, but you can say I told you so after the box explodes.




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um... didnt mean to upload these but may as well post... I overcaulk initially, always...owell... then after it cures I usually go back and put a 2nd layer in the corners and smear for extra support and air tight seal...then a 3rd. Only 1 extra layer this time...it will make it easier to finish pulling them apart after they implode due to lack of bracing.


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also keep in mind, these 12" ports may be taken out and increased to 14" 16" or even 18" if they can't fully support 22's
 

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Username: Nuck

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damage pics in 3...2...1...

glad to help JP.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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Registered: Jun-04
:D are we talking exploding boxes and bottomed coils damage, or, windows popped out and plaster lathe separation?
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 977
Registered: Oct-07
Is the chair seen in #466 the timeout/ penelty box?

As for home damage, all of above. If I came to visit I'd bring safety glasses. And a covered mug for some adult beverages.
 

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Username: Arande2

Rattle your ... Missouri

Post Number: 3013
Registered: Dec-06
I haven't looked at the pictures, but it reads well.

I would agree about the mdf vibrating, can reduce efficiency, too.

When I first got the first phase of my sub build done (1 sub, no amp yet), I found that everything resonated horribly. I spent weeks finding all the rattles and doing what I could about them. It's much better than it was now, but my room has a very lossy construction. I lose a lot of sub-bass to a big window covering nearly all of one wall and a huge opening that makes it more like I'm in a very big room.


Good luck, move forward.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 115
Registered: Jun-04
wow I've been trying to reply to the penalty chair for ever and I stopped updating because I couldn't si9gn in

anyway... penalty.... 60 seconds, 11Hz...

first vid 11Hz sine wave at a pretty moderate level, shakes the whole house and rattles windows in the opposite end of the house a little louder than the old box used to...but the old box did it at 18Hz, this is 11!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRRkrYzLufY]YouTube - 11hz low volume.AVI[/url]

So then I do it again, but part way in I turn it up to at least 2.5" p-p maybe even 3"... they still have room to go... but my clip indicators are solid... no clipping... I was barely even pushing the amps... and the subs had zero complaints!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfEKsLCUCM]YouTube - 11hz turned up part way through.AVI[/url]
 

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Username: Arande2

Rattle your ... Missouri

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I recognize you from other forums :p
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

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11hz / 60sec at say.......110db
Should be enough to produce Drain Bamage.
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

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Registered: Jun-04
i was dumb before all this anyway :D
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 117
Registered: Jun-04
the white trash redneck did it again.. the plan all along was a 14Hz tune, as 13Hz starts a slight dip and the dip just gets bigger as I tune lower. So WinISD plots at 14Hz are exactly what I want... flat flat flat till 15-16Hz starts to show the beginning of a HUGE spike at 14Hz. I'll snap a pic of the plots later..but anyway I retuned to my final 14Hz and played a 15Hz sine wave for a full minute at full excursion and didnt even get warm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltRuKA8zLJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbz7bKnDbaA

jordan powell

kryptonitewhite
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1032
Registered: Oct-07
And just HOW am I to appreciate 15hz on computer speakers?
I'll play a vid to look. Maybe able to see this huge excursion?
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1033
Registered: Oct-07
Nice.
got a good view in vid#2.
Maybe put a match or candle in front of the port? You might be able to see that or even blow it out.

How much box flex are you getting?
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 118
Registered: Jun-04
hahaha.. right right...

a lot of box flex at 24Hz and 35Hz... I'll be fixing it when i can, 8 2x4's per box...16 total

white trash red neck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzSuwCA12g
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 119
Registered: Jun-04
so I figured why not leave the ports at 48", the way i got them, and stick them out 12" for a 12" clearance from the rear wall for a 6.5Hz tune for fun... then cut them down to 16" for a 10Hz tune to see what that was like..then land on my final cut, 5", a little under 14Hz tune to keep from any dip in FR...and I get that AWESOME peak from 12Hz-20Hz... PERFECT!

Well I cut her down, I'm re-watching WOTWs... and it is cherry. The platform resembling bleechers can't hurt either...8'x'8 square soaking it all up and wobbling!

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 120
Registered: Jun-04
ok I pushed them harder today... during music the receiver lights dim so bad when it hits, then it trips the receiver breaker... but I brought the IB3 18's out there pretty dar on a 15Hz sine wave and it makes the door on the opposite end of the house flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jQTaDAQjw
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 143
Registered: Jun-04
so Ive been thinking, I remember when I had my old Fi IB3 18" in my Aztek, 21.5 cubic feet, 7.5" diameter port, 15Hz tune...and I experimented with it like I did the towers and cut it down to a 20Hz tune, then a 25Hz tune, then I ripped the port completely out..therefor I had a 3/4" port length..the thickness of the wall. I still don't think that 3/4" port length tuned the enclosure past a certain point.

I think the port volume acts as a slug of air, Fallen once explained it best that way...

that slug of air is just like a speaker cone in that it moves in and out, has excursion. when you have a 16.5" cone moving in and out 3.25" inside a given volume of air, the enclosure, you are moving the air in and out of the port. How much does the air slug move? What is it's excursion? The same as the driver? No... 1st off.. the driver area is bigger than the port area, so if it were this simple... you'd have to think volume. If the 17" cone moves 3", then the 7.5" slug must move:

well, 17/2= 8.5*8.5=72.25*3.14=226.865*3=680.596

about 681 cubic inches?

7.5/2=3.75*3.75=14.0625*3.14=44.15625

681/44=15.5

The air slug in the port would have to move 15.5" for the same Vd... 5 times as far

to double check,

7.5/2=3.75*3.75=14.0625*3.14=44.15625*3=132.4
680/133=5

but, as we move further from tuning we get less gain... and at tuning we dont get exactly double the output... we get a lot more, depending on the enclosure.

So really IDK what I'm talking about, but, I don't think a 3/4" long port 7.5" in diameter will fully handle an 18" subwoofer moving full excursion 3.25" p-p.. whether it's in 2 cubic feet (less port gain) or 22 cubic feet (more gain).

Just as well, I don't think my 12" diameter port 5" long fully supports my 18" in 128 cubic feet...even more port gain.

For my VAN build, I plan on using about a 20" port for the 4 18's.... I am thinking about ordering 1 long 20" sonotube and using the scraps for the Two Towers. 127 cubic feet, 20" port, to tune to 14hz needs to only be 22" long... drivers remain under Xmax with only 600 watts, showing an airspeed of 8 m/s at tuning!

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 14860
Registered: Dec-04
Other than elctronica and pseudo movie sountracks, what pipe ogan are you going to play?



In the van?
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 144
Registered: Jun-04
one of the 3 in the world that has 64' stops for 8Hz and 32' stops for 16Hz
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 145
Registered: Jun-04
oh, and at least a handful of songs from bassotronics, and opus dei, and the bass will destroy you...and lots and lots of other songs that no one seems to get that have content that low...just cuz they dont HAVE systems that recreate them well without being completely over ridden by too much sonic material, and because they dont understand that spectral software doesnt show the subsonics that well, as even playing pure sine waves generally the software detects the harmonics as the stronger average tones, let alone while playing the music that really does have it. I would know, I've been tuning velow 20Hz for several years now.
 

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1042
Registered: Oct-07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._3_(Saint-Saens)

For 'Bass Heads' everywhere, this should be the final test.

Play loudly at your own risk:
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 147
Registered: Jun-04
I just about consider it finished. You guys were right, I do have terrible flex so I will be bracing more later. I told you so's are welcome. But here are some final looks pics and yet another vid.

I was sitting here, in the room next to it, listening to some music while catching up on the forums... some songs shaking the floor and chair different than others. A Gucci Mane song came on and at first I thought one of the cats jumped on the back of the seat or ran into the couch. Nope, subs. But then this other song came on...and the whole house just wobbles. It's great. I doubt anyone else will be able to get the low part, it's pretty insane. I turned it up more at about 1:10... it still has room to go, but since it just pops out quick, waits, pops out..rather than a continuous sine wave... I cant easily gauge how much excursion it reaches..so I played it safe.

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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5nE94gTYzQ[/url]

thanks for all the interest and inspiring posts!

krypto
 

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 154
Registered: Jun-04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._3_(Saint-Saens)

pipe organ? downloading now...
 

Gold Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1045
Registered: Oct-07
That's the spirit, JP.
And YES. Pipe Organ.
The 16hz pedal tone should give your sub an ample work out and the fact that it is a REAL note produced on a real instrument in a real space will provide some nice harmonics........
You will see.....or rather hear what I mean in a few.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 160
Registered: Jun-04
I downloaded sooo much! Limewire found all sorts of stuff, so I got it all... none of it was the real thing

I'm going to have to try again.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 161
Registered: Jun-04
Alright everyone, so I've had some time to tweak everything and watch a few movies. Words can't describe, so I'll let "glass tap" tell it all in the vid. I'll give it a quick jab tho... these two towers are amazing. The sound is HUGE. I don't mean huge as in great big and powerful, forceful. I mean they just sound enormous even at low volume. Be it infrasonics that are so low and soft and fluffy in the single digits, or the depth in voices way up high in the 60-80Hz range. Be it roads cracking up and rumbling and robots emerging from the ground, or combined with the hardest/tightest punch and kick from "warp speed ahead". These things are nothing short of amazing.

Earlier today when my boys were over we watched some of Nemo. My electric simply can not keep up..I must get this fixed ASAP. I found I had to keep turing the receiver itself down as well as the sub level, because the receiver kept protecting itself. Somehow though, Glass Tap. There really arent words. IDK how my house doesn't fall apart, and I didn't notice as I was recording...but watching the play back... I can't even hold the camera still.

I watched transformers tonight and at first I was making note to go back and record here and there...till I decided forget it. I'm just going to enjoy it. I am more than pleased.. thank you Fi, thank you Scott, thank you everyone on the forums over the years. I've gotten myself quite the self-education from you people.

As far as bracing goes: I'll say it again, I was wrong, there is an issue from about 25-40Hz at high volume with music. Most of the time I can not turn my music loud enough where this is a problem, or I'd have cops here and an electrical fire. For movies, it is a non issue. So much so, that I have 15 8' 2x4's under my bed waiting..theyve been there since I completed the two tower build...and they're gonna stay there because it's not a problem enough to stop the VAN build for it.

I know I have had bandwidth issues since all of a sudden both threads became big hits for a little while..so I'll repost the finished pics.

So here we go:

Transformers. 1 hour 54 minutes, "Everyone alright?" Bumble bee pulls himself out. I have so much headroom here, this is at low volume to keep cops from coming, and because I simply don't need it any louder than this. If your system recreates this part when you watch the movie, you can dig deep.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5RJXAjjACc[/url]

And this is just retarded. I don't know anyone who would want any more than this. I'm a tru bass head, and it's over the top for me.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5CPq4_XUaU[/url]

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 162
Registered: Jun-04
Add me on Face Book

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=506299242&ref=search&sid=506299242.206 9900578..1

Jordan Powell
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 163
Registered: Jun-04
Does the Denon AVR-2310CI have a HP filter on the subwoofer, a subsonic filter? I am getting more comfortable with the Two Towers now and starting to turn the subwoofer level up more and more on the receiver and watching close for excursion.
Since switching to the receiver/EP4000's from the HT in a box driving the subs, single digit output from movies is GONE. Until now I have been thinking it was the EP4000's, but today I am watching the amp signal lights and where I had single digit output before that is gone now, the lights aren't showing signal either. Same Blu-Ray player, but I think the receiver is filtering 10Hz down!
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 164
Registered: Jun-04
I got Avatar last night, it's now my favorite movie. I can't believe all of the color, all of the detail. My new TV has never looked so good before! DTS HD... gotta love it. The rear channels were mixed so well, I had to look once..I got faked out thinking something, someone was behind me...because it's never sounded that real before. The LFE? Well the jet rocket craft gives the entire house a treat, the robots with every step and jump. But the wings. Every single flap of the wing moves so much air, you actually have wind from the dual 12" ports and dual 18's. The whole house becomes one with everything in it.

At the end, it played this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAh0qEz1FSw

Astonishing.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 165
Registered: Jun-04
I've got a bunch of Avatar clips I made... but the 1st two vids are in the VAN, the 2nd one is the sequence I have to do to activate video. This is for those of you that will sit there and watch all 10 of my vids cuz I see that there are some of you out there :D Thanks for watching!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3NLz6fG1lk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ktGpYKpQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk6rejtxB7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz9PborV5kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1draZ9yK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmtxAJtRSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhT6pJfVbE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEBvzOx5Xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMsKXb-arMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f3lSlUZUiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG9dX7zrJYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOo6Aej1BQk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMUe6XfplJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inL136Gs7UE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWfsz6R8r0A

If this is too many videos for any of you, please let me know. HTS gets bandwidth eaten up apparently as they aren't just links, they get hosted or something on that refind, mature, sophisticated, prestigious, and delicate little shack over there :D I can put a space in each link to break it so it can then be copy/pasted instead ;) ;)
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 166
Registered: Jun-04
here is a track that DB-Audio from http://carstereoforum.net/showthread.... made for me. AKA crazedevilx

I had to keep it down for the neighbors, it's 4:10AM here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zbf12winXs
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 167
Registered: Jun-04
you guys with sonotubes, how do you cut the thick stuff? I've got 20" so 1/4" walls..utility knife not as easy on this as the 8" and 12" tube
 

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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 3852
Registered: Feb-07
I've used a handsaw, a reciprocting saw and a circular saw to cut sonotube.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 168
Registered: Jun-04
thanks! I used a utility knife, was easy as pie!

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1137
Registered: Oct-07
Rent a Sawzall
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 169
Registered: Jun-04
utility knife did her :D

thanks guys!
 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 3867
Registered: Feb-07
No more trips to the hospital, I hope.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 170
Registered: Jun-04
i cut away! :P
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 171
Registered: Jun-04
cannons first..not impressive. then hand guns, guessin just under 3" Xcursion, then.. the gatling gun... subs goin full eaxcursion over 3"..but only initially, then the sound fades away to "dream land"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg-rP9ALXL4
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 174
Registered: Jun-04
I will be getting 4 06' RE Audio XXX 18's for the VAN. I'll be putting the 4 IB3 18's from the van in with the other 2 in the towers. I'll use the 20" sonotube I have left over from the van for the Two Towers, 20" off the rear of the towers, 5" sticking out, for a total length of 33" or so..give or take.. around 13Hz..give or take. 2 EP4000's run at 2.66ohm nominal but will rarely ever see that. I know I will catch static for that, but hey, this is Kryprto...what's new? Bring it...

2"x4" bracing will be added with lots of PL PRO and 3" screws.

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https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/639500.html
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 177
Registered: Jun-04
I have some custom subs coming, so I'll most likely be scratching the 6 IB3's in the Two Towers. When I get the custom subs for the van and HT and swap them out, I'll add more bracing to the towers. You can see the enclosure flex.

ya ya, I know, for about 6 months strait I posted several posts every single day on several different forums, and every day I was "given advice". So out of 30 pieces of advice every single day for 6 months... 5400 pieces of advice ( not even exaggerating if that is how you spell the word )one piece of advice I disagreed with, I ate my words on. So I tried to be a man to admit I was wrong, but it was acceptable to throw it in my face and say I'm an idiot that doesnt know what I am doing, and now that 1 piece of advice proved true, the other 5399 ideas were right too and I was wrong for ignoring those as well.

Anyway, Bassotronics has a new kick ___ track out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4H4M64Hf4g

enjoy
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 178
Registered: Jun-04
A lot of people like the giant 12" ports on the HT's, so here is a link to the VAN's 20" port.

4 IB3 18's, 60 cubic feet, 20" diameter port 18.5" long for a 21Hz tune, 14kW on tap.

DBAudio made me this track. It is 19Hz-13Hz sweeps. As you see in the vid, some of the sunflower seeds were pulled strait back to the rear of the wall, and then blown strait up to the front dash. No arch, not lobbed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUqlC2BlG4
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 179
Registered: Jun-04
Now that the HT build and the VAN builds are complete, it's time for touch-ups and clean up. Painting the house, every wall a different color, each tower a different color, started with the bed/bleechers today. The towers will wait till the custom subs are done and I add bracing.

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 180
Registered: Jun-04
had a big thunderstorm, I got a bolt with the camera then played thunder rolls, cuz the stereo playing lightening is several times louder than lightening only 2-4 miles away

2 IB3 18's in ten cubic feet tuned to 35Hz off an EP4000 @ 4ohms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9bF00WqC4
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 181
Registered: Jun-04
the two 18's by themselves are pretty impressive. I'd love to have upgraded to the IB3 22's when they came out under the impression that I'd double my displacement, but I was wrong about that. Before I start sticking some 2"x4"s in them I have to consider whether I'll be cutting them 16.5's out to 20.5's, or if I'll be adding 2 more 16.5's per box, or, sticking with what I have. I think I could be happy with what I have...they're amazing... but double the displacement for some headroom would be better. Simply getting 2 more IB3s, 1 per box, would be ideal...but would look stupid. 3 is a lot more $$$ than I planned and a weird ohm load. Owell, gotta keep on movin.

not finished painting by any means, but got a coat or 2 on for now, will do more after i ding and scratch them up throwing 2x4s and myself in and out of there

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this box is FUN! I'm gonna hook 1 EP4000 to each sub for a while...see if I cant break my house with it.

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gettn ready to add some bracing to the towers

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routered the front of the amp rack/entertainment center. everything is VERY sloppy, the way I like it, it's my signature mark for everything I build

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Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 182
Registered: Jun-04
is 75% close to 100%? Is 3 quarters close to a dollar? Is 3/4 close to 1? Is 42mm just a hair more, shortly after, 30mm? I remember way back when Adire Audio and RE Audio were IT. Brahma's and XXXs. The standard 12-spoke basket with standard 8" spider and standard 3.5" p-p 1/2 roll surround. The Brahma, Tumult, Ascendant Audio Avalanche, XXX, SX, SE, RE, prolly the Magnum and TREO and everything...all seemed to have about 31mm-33mm Xmech. Everything did. So when I heard the IB3 had a 30mm Xmax and Xmech was just a little bit past that, I thought "OK, so the IB3 has a 31mm-33mm Xmech". So When I hear the 22" will have 96% of the Vd of two IB3 18's, and a 38mm Xmax, I think " So the 18 has 30mm Xmax and 33mm Xmech, and the 22 has a 38mm Xmax and probably a 39mm-42mm Xmech, that makes the 22" cone displace the same as two 18's...sweet"

ugh anyway... as you can see, still have a LOT of work ahead, but works getting done, progress is being made. I'm at a standstill on what to do for subs... keep it as it is and be happy? Get 2 more and have 4 IB3's... same Vd as planned? I don't know. I'm losin sleep over this? LOL!





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Gold Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1548
Registered: Oct-07
42mm is 1.65", just a tick over 1 5/8".

30mm is less than 1.25"

If you are using that much displacement routinely, you are probably damaging your hearing and doing structural damage to where ever the subs are mounted.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 183
Registered: Jun-04
leo, there is definitely structural damage happening here, especially since I double up on subs ;)
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 184
Registered: Jun-04
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1231247&page=11

So my lady wants me to build some ugly stairs to go with the ugly clown room, and I wanted to test the Towers to see how much of the flex is pressure VS driver vibration... if it's mostly pressure and I need to brace all 6 sides, I need a minimum of 40 2"x4"s, 8 front to back each, 8 side to side each, 4 center to top each. But I put some white stickers in diff spots to see if it was the same flex all over or just by the driver. Lucky me! 24Hz is where it is worst, but a few Hz in each direction and flex is minimal.

Took the drivers out of the 10 cube box, put them back in the towers.

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Ill most likely put the 2nd driver's on the inside top

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otherwise outside top

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here's the vibration vid

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my camera sucks, trying to clean it with rubbing alcohol

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Of course speaker placement changes everything, I knew that, but my initial plan was ordering six 21" Maelstrom-X's and 14 An ar chy's, doing seven MTMs for 7.1 surround. To get me buy until then I was just gonna use those cheap walmart cubes, but they work surprisingly well and I just can't afford better for now. They are HIDEOUS and one has a bad stain, so I tuked them back into the entertainment center to hide them. Well with the added two 18's my substage SQ went way up, so Ive been doing more critical listening (sure those cubes are as bad as it can get, but the receiver sure milks them for what they're worth) and I just couldnt take the "tunnel vision" from them being 3' deep between the towers.

I brought them out, real ugly I know, but OMFG! I had to back things down 2dB off the batt, but even my woman looked at me right away like "wow, did that really just happen? Did that really change things that much?" Cuz now it's actually surround, not mono muffled :D

The surrounds faced forward, were hard to hear, now theyre standing out like they should.

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Thats silly string all over, the black lights and colored lights light it up... looks cool in person, dirty in pics

so 2 of my gaskets were warped from sitting outside and were rubbing the surrounds so I took em off. I get the new 4 any day now, Ill put the new ones in the HT and use these in the van. built shelves to set stuff on on the sides of the bleechers. wish I couldda got the crackhead to help with that back during summer, much better

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speaker placement means everything

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got the four 18's today for the VAN, decided to put them in the towers cuz I am getting serious buzzing I hope the new gaskets will cure, and my reconing job was as pretty as my speaker stands :D

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Gold Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 1974
Registered: Oct-07
Jordan,
You can buy an accelerometer for cheap. Instead of eyeballing colorful dots attached to the enclosure, you can use your computer to record readings from the accelerometer and graph the result. Any changes you make are easily scoped out, as a result.

Link from the Digikey catalogue. This is just the first part I found which seemed reasonable. And at about 7$ each for PC, a real bargain.
Take some measurements so you'll know what works.

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll
 

Diamond Member
Username: Wingmanalive

Www.stainles... .ecrater.com

Post Number: 24197
Registered: Jun-06
Holy crap that has GOT to be the largest post with photobucket links I've ever seen.


If anyone copied and pasted all those links to see the pics deserves a medal.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 185
Registered: Jun-04
accelerometer looks fun! Id like to get REW, proper sound card, good calibrated mic, and the works down the road as well. I have a good 7.1 surround HDMI sound/vid card but I am told I can't run REW with it.
 

Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 187
Registered: Jun-04
5dB increments to see compression starting at -40dB ending at -10dB master volume. Yup, thats a 130dB peak :D Yup, thats solider than solid a 10Hz, yup, look at that 6Hz ;)

15Hz on up

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DC on up ;) ;)

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Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 190
Registered: Jun-04
crossover 80hz vs 250hz

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fun

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10Hz -3.6dB FS
THD: 7.70% THD+N: 7.75%
2nd: 5.74% 3rd: 5.11%
4th: .339% 5th:.363
6th: .228 7th: .129
8th: .032 9th: .0258

124.4dB



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Silver Member
Username: Kryptonitewhite

Luverne, MN USA

Post Number: 195
Registered: Jun-04
I have decided to take Thomas-W's advice and build a manifold on my door to house 4 Fi IB3 18's on the top and make 2 slot ports on the bottom out of the rectangles already there. The door is 1.25" thick, I will make a template/face of the entire door adding .75" to the thickness. I'll make a 25"x25" panel to plug the ports so I can run true IB as well. Here is a pic he suggested for me.

[QUOTE=Thomas-W;20371728]Go to Home Depot buy a cheap solid core door, do something like this .......

[IMG]http://home.comcast.net/~infinitelybaffled/SUB5.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]http://home.comcast.net/~infinitelybaffled/SUB1.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I will begin tearing the Twin Towers down tomorrow and use the wood to build the manifolds and ports. It will be nice to get the EP4000s out of the HT room cuz I haven't done the fan mods.

The IB3s are custom dual 4 ohm, 4 layer IIRC, series/parallel 4 ohm bridged per EP4000 (2 EP4000s, 2 subs per amp bridged).

I am wasting and tearing apart a very wonderful performing pair of enclosures. Under 10% THD these things hit 124dB @ 10Hz and 130dB @ 23Hz. If I would have braced them better that 25Hz-40Hz would have been fixed. They were 125 cubic feet each with a 12" port 12" long for a 13.4Hz tuning, 2 IB3s per tower.

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Here is the Twin Towers build log:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1231247

Here is the new build:

https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/accessories18700/679319.html
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