Who said don't buy a reciever for music?
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2237 Registered: Nov-05 | It is common practice here to criticise recievers for a music system. Here is one that may be an exception - if your wallet is fat enough. http://www.arcam.co.uk/_ugc/file/avr600wsr-web.pdf |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9883 Registered: Feb-05 | Arcam has long been an exception for most of us. However they are usually so expensive that buying a good integrated is costs. The Arcam receivers I've listened to were very good with music. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2663 Registered: Feb-07 | My dealer sells Arcam stuff. I've always been pretty impressed with the sound and build quality. What's the sticker price on one of those M.R.? |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2238 Registered: Nov-05 | I think around 5 grand US. It's about 8 here. Way out of my league. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12635 Registered: Dec-04 | I look twice when I see an AR300 or 350 on the block, for sure. |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2567 Registered: Jun-07 | Yup, Arcam make some of the best sounding AVR's with an Music first philosophy. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12640 Registered: Dec-04 | How dear in the UK??? Frank?! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12641 Registered: Dec-04 | some of the prices are absolutely astounding! |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2109 Registered: Jun-05 | I agree Arcams AVR's sound very good,but even with their 2-channel stuff they sound somewhat polite and kind of light in the bass. |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 3335 Registered: May-05 | Here's what seems to be 2 great stereo receivers... http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MDMD209 http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MDMD309 Their last receiver was co-developed with Simaudio. Not sure if these are as well. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2668 Registered: Feb-07 | Man, those are nice looking! |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2241 Registered: Nov-05 | Yeah, I've seen their stuff before (on-line) and have been very impressed. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9896 Registered: Feb-05 | I've had the pleasure of using one of those Magnum Dynalab receivers (a generation before the ones pictured). They sound very nice. Much more like a very good integrated amps. It was driving ProAc's and Spendor's. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 3664 Registered: Sep-04 | The Arcam costs £3500 in the UK so $5k is about right. I disagree with Tawaun about Arcam bass. If anything, I think that Arcam have traditionally had too much bass and have only started to remove that extra cloying warmth for a more sensible bass presentation. But then, you yanks love your fat bass. The AVR600 is an excellent machine, no question (yes, we have one in the shop). Would I spend my money that way, possibly not. I'd probably go for a cheaper AV receiver such as an Onkyo TX-SR876 with a dedicated 2-channel amplifier to drive the front speakers for pure analogue. But anyone not able to spare the 3 shelves and with that kind of budget would be a fool not to at least consider the Arcam. I still think it's an expensive proposition in comparison to the competition, but musically it's certainly one of the contenders for 'best in its category'. Frank. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2720 Registered: Oct-04 | I've never had a problem with receivers for music  |
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Gold Member Username: PetergalbraithCanada Post Number: 2219 Registered: Feb-04 | Me neither. I use an AVR for music as well as HT (hk avr-325 and soon an hk avr-254). As long as the speaker isn't too much of a wild load, and then just use the pre-outs with an external amp. Not very audiophile of me, I know. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13143 Registered: Dec-04 | A receiver serves it's purpose, and there are some good ones out there, to be sure. The beakdown/cost/necissity factor comes in. If I still ran a 5.1, I would not do it with amps, just a receiver. 4000$? Nope. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 3770 Registered: Sep-04 | Most people compare multichannel receivers to like-priced 2-channel amplifiers. In that situation, it seems reasonable that the similarly priced 2-channel unit will sound better since you've spent a lot more money per component and you've been able to spend more R&D hours on each section of the unit. By spreading the cost between 78 channels of power and a geometric rise in complexity, you've diluted the value of each section. Even if you compared cheaper stereon units to the AV receivers, the very complexity of the system makes it much harder to control noise and heat, optimise pathways for sonics etc. The AV receiver is the jack of all trades and master of none. A trade-off has to occur, even at the AV high end. It's life. This doesn't mean all AV receivers are rubbish, just that they are more compromised than dedicated 2-channel solutions. So, if someone mentions that music is important to them, it makes a lot more sense to split the solution two ways, a cheaper AV receiver and separate 2-channel amplifier for music replay, preferably with dedicated CD player/turntable, but not many people will countenance two mplifier boxes, let alone the multiple silver disc spinners (DVD/BD box and separate CD player). |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13170 Registered: Dec-04 | Single guys can do that  Lets face it, 98% of people own and enjoy receivers, it is just the 'fringe' music hobbyists that get nose deep in the system. So live and let live. Or live and let die, on vinyl(good soundtrack). |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10522 Registered: Feb-05 | Some married guys can do it to... |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2810 Registered: Oct-04 | ...and some can't. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10526 Registered: Feb-05 | So true Chris. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13180 Registered: Dec-04 | First point taken, Art. That's my only strong suit, so I run with it, LOL! A decent receiver/speaker setup is going to sound good to 98% of the folks out there. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2397 Registered: Nov-05 | Yeah, unfortunately the other 2% are deaf.  |
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Gold Member Username: GavdawgAlbany, New York Post Number: 1298 Registered: Nov-06 | the B&K receiver I heard a couple of years ago sounded great. I was really pleased with it. Granted, it was quite expensive. Here is the latest version on the B&K website. http://www.bkcomp.com/products/home-theatre/?tx_ttproducts_pi1[backPID]=36&tx_ttproducts_pi1[product]=35&tx_ttproducts_pi1[cat]=3&cHash=7317c9 27a4 |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13190 Registered: Dec-04 | Still great B&K stuff around. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 3781 Registered: Sep-04 | A decent receiver/speaker setup is going to sound good to 98% of the folks out there. What's worse, 80% of those 98% won't discern a difference between your beuatifully put together separates system and their $800 stack. And that really saddens me... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13202 Registered: Dec-04 | 98% of the time... |
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