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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7477
Registered: Feb-05
http://www.rega.co.uk/index2.htm

My new audio dream.....



The Elicit.
 

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Username: Lamcam

Orange County, CA USA

Post Number: 110
Registered: Nov-07
very nice...
 

Silver Member
Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska Usa

Post Number: 565
Registered: Jul-07
Art- You stop that right now!!!

I also promise to quit reading AudiogoN!
 

Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7478
Registered: Feb-05
I must stop as it'll be quite awhile before I can do anything but lust...lol!
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3150
Registered: Sep-04
Hmmm, I remember the older Elicits. Good amps in their day. It'll be interesting to see what this one does and what price it'll be at. The Mira has been creeping up in price but the pre/power hasn't crept up much. Could be a bit crowded. We'll see.
 

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Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska Usa

Post Number: 574
Registered: Jul-07
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?intatran&1222190774
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7508
Registered: Feb-05
Yep I saw that Kevin. The old Elicit was considered the Best Rega amp ever made in terms of sound but had reliability issues.
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3155
Registered: Sep-04
There were a couple of Elicit versions actually. Neither was particularly unreliable as I recall. I sold a fair number of the later model, but I was too late for the earlier (funkier graphics) model.

Powerful amplifier, not the quickest, but enjoyable nonetheless.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7512
Registered: Feb-05
I understand that they were pretty unreliable...relatively speaking. Too much stuff in one little box, lots of heat related problems. Your experience may vary but it seems a common experience with the old Elicit...I did note the vents and heat sinks on the new model. Wonder how much they'll ask for it. The old Elicit was 80 watts per channel wasn't it Frank? They also had a lower model at that time too if I'm not mistaken.
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3160
Registered: Sep-04
Yes there was an Exel - now that was relatively unreliable! I know the Elicit was pretty powerful but not sure if it was in the 80wpc range - that would be remarkable since Rega aren't renowned for making powerful amps so 80wpc from a Rega would be very powerful.
 

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Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska Usa

Post Number: 586
Registered: Jul-07
As long as we are lusting, I will take the Nait5i
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7549
Registered: Feb-05
You may want that new Rega after we hear it....
 

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Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1745
Registered: Jun-07
I would think the whole idea behind bringing this new amp to market would be to compete against some of the higher end NAIM stuff. I bet it would be close to the 5i.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7552
Registered: Feb-05
The Mira 3 is close to the 5i (some prefer it...obviously not Frank...lol!).

I'd bet the idea for the Elicit is to outperform the 5i and compete with better amps.

I am truly looking forward to hearing it. Problem is that my closest Rega dealer has gone way upscale and doesn't stock any Rega gear and the next closest is difficult to do business with...poor prospects for hearing it unfortunately.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1747
Registered: Jun-07
Yeah the problem with my comment was the fact that I am not familiar with NAIM equipment and their model numbers. No doubt the Elicit will be a sure winner indeed.
 

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Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska Usa

Post Number: 589
Registered: Jul-07
Art- "...Rega dealer..." if that is the one I think, it is too far to drive for you anyway now with the gas prices!

The glossy magazine critics are ga ga over the Nait5i.

I will go with one all Rega, one all Naim and one Bryston or Classe system. Tomorrow.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7553
Registered: Feb-05
I will take that as well...

Actually one Rega, one Naim and one tube setup...Mastersound and Devore Fidelity with a Scheu table and Bryston CD player.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1748
Registered: Jun-07
I would take....LOL..

One Bryston CD Player, one Bryston Power amp and a Tube Mastersound/Devore Fidelity Tube Pre amp and a Scheu table. MMmmm Hows that for a hot breed of a system?lol
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7554
Registered: Feb-05
DeVore would be speakers Nick...lol!'

I'm looking forward to actually hearing that combo...guess I'll have to call Dale and take a trip to Eugene...Kevin knows Dale. They don't use cd players....heresy to them, so I'll have to settle for vinyl...too bad...NOT!
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1749
Registered: Jun-07
LOL Art as you can see I have never heard of Devore. So to be safe I added the good ol " / " in there just in case.lol. I would take Mike Wodek's tube pre amp off his hands though if he ever feels the need to upgrade. I somehow doubt he will for quite sometime though.lol If ever. I still want my Bryston Power though. And I agree with you Art, a Bryston CDP would be grand. One day my friend.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7556
Registered: Feb-05
Yes indeed...
 

Gold Member
Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York USA

Post Number: 2948
Registered: May-05
I was contemplating a Bryston DAC and music server like a Squeezebox Duet.

Bryston's DAC is everything everyone claims their CD player is and more. The Squeezebox has gotten mixed reviews from a old trusted Hifi dealer who carries them.

I demoed the Slim Devices Transporter this weekend with Mac seperates and B&W 802Ds. Not bad, but not stellar either. That dealer (doesn't carry Rega) assured me that my Apollo would easily better the Transporter alone, and would still sound better than the Squeezebox and any DAC.

He's played all the Slim Devices and Sonos gear in multiple configurations in his own home before committing to putting the Slim Devices stuff on the floor. Appearently, he states they're pretty good, but not better than a good stand alone dedicated CDP. He's even paired it up in a full Mac system with the Mac DAC.

His advice - Wait a few years. They're still in their infancy.
 

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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York USA

Post Number: 2949
Registered: May-05
The new Elicit looks pretty good. I'll have to check it out when I get a chance.

I figured they wer thinking a system comprised of Elicit/Saturn/R9, but recently heard Rega discontinued the R9 and possibly R7 as well. Not sure where they're going with the Elicit. Also, I don't think it has a phono stage built in as standard issue. I think its optional.

This week's sign of the Apocalypse -

A Rega integrated amp without an internal phono stage
 

Silver Member
Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska Usa

Post Number: 590
Registered: Jul-07
Wow. I have never owned an amp, integrated or receiver without phono!
 

Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7558
Registered: Feb-05
It's optional so that you can choose between MC and MM from what I've read.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 24
Registered: Jun-08
I guess they never thought of someone having both an MC and MM cartridges or two TT sets...or maybe figured someone with both could afford to pay for the option, eh? LOL
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1751
Registered: Jun-07
nice. Can't do both all at once?
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3172
Registered: Sep-04
My view, fwiw, is that they probably think that people buying into the Elicit could go for higher end sources. For example people who believe (correctly :-) ) in the source first principle could put together a system such as a P9/Ios/Elicit and some good speakers. This is a perfectly acceptable solution although not one that would meet with much agreement on this board I suspect! :-) In this case it makes perfect sense to have a line-only Elicit.

Rega have been making line-only and choice of MM/MC versions of their higher end amps for a long time. The Cursa has always had the options for example.

It also depends a lot on price positioning. The Mira3 is now around £650 where the Nait is £785. I suspect that the Elicit will be in the £900 price range to demarkate it from the Mira. This is a bit more expensive than the Nait5i and a fair bit less expensive than the Cursa/Maia (around £1500) and the Naim 122x/150x pre/power (£1650 including the interconnect which reduces the price differential).

As for the choice between MM and MC, this is probably in part due to the amount of space in the box. You either create a really good MM circuit with a step-up transformer in front of it (with all the problems that entails) or you put in two separate circuits, 1 for MM and 1 for MC. If there isn't enough space, you put in one circuit. This is quite commonplace nowadays. It offers customers the option but also makes them aware of the other solutions such as external phono stages. Another issue is the nature of MC phono stages. In an integrated amplifier, the MC stage is a one-for-all solution, but it has become recognised that MC cartridges suffer quite a bit by not having better matched load characteriistics from the phono stage. The Ios has a certain amount of load matching capability and many other phono stages do as well, whether it's by using jumpers or switches. Building this into an already tight space in an integrated amp is not easy.

Really and truly, in a nice system that one would build around a relatively expensive integrated amplifier such as the Elicit, one would not normally want to put the phono stage in the amplifier as well. An integrated amplifier is a relatively hostile environment thanks to the noise from the output stage and the power supply (which will be quite substantial if old Elicits are anything to go by). I suspect that the option is only provided to keep all customers sweet.

I should point out that I admire Rega equipment greatly, apart from their bigger R-series speakers. If I were listening to that level of kit, they would definitely be on my short short-list and the choice between something like a Saturn/Elicit and Naim CD5x/Nait5i would not be an easy one.

Incidentally, I realise I got the name of the other amp wrong earlier (transposition error) - it was the Elex.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 25
Registered: Jun-08
Hey Frank,

Another logical, detailed and well written explanation. I'd love to have you by my side when I decide to build my 2ch system. I'm sure I'll be coming to you for input.
 

Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3173
Registered: Sep-04
George,

Thank you but I have a feeling it's a bit far to travel from Canada to the UK... :-)
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1754
Registered: Jun-07
LOL easy way of getting Frank for input. Type in www.ecoustics.com, click on Forum and call Frank out.LOL

Frank- Excellent,detailed explanation. Thanks man.
 

Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3179
Registered: Sep-04
I need to find an interesting job...
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1758
Registered: Jun-07
Id love to sell audio equipment. That would be sweet.
 

Gold Member
Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx USA

Post Number: 1415
Registered: May-06
Nick K,

JV dropped a bunch of 12AX7s off with me for my Pre-amp. Welcome to the world of tube rolling. I figured I would be changing tubes every 2-3 months for the next year or two, but then I swapped the Golden Dragons into the phono gain stage.

Your grand kids have a better chance of getting my pre-amp than you do now. LOL.
 

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio United States

Post Number: 1647
Registered: Jun-05
I'll tell you what the Elicit's guts look very tasty its even attractive,something I've never thought Rega amps were,I thniks its gonna be a smoking amp,well Art time for you to start wheeling and dealing again,it may be a lifetime amp.
 

Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7591
Registered: Feb-05
I'm thinkin' here in a couple of years...

Rega Elicit
Rega Saturn
Devore Fidelity Gibbon Super 8's

Yummie!
 

Gold Member
Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio United States

Post Number: 1657
Registered: Jun-05
Yes very Yummy love the Saturn and the Super 8's! wonder what the Elicit will cost,I wonder will it be similar to the Creek Destiny in price another fantastic amp by the way.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1768
Registered: Jun-07
"Your grand kids have a better chance of getting my pre-amp than you do now. LOL."

LOL Mike, sounds like fun man.
 

Gold Member
Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio United States

Post Number: 1658
Registered: Jun-05
I guess Micheal has his claws locked into that preamp.lol
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1770
Registered: Jun-07
lol I understand why. Thats ok thought as I am very happy with the Bryston Pre. Down the road though I want to experiment with a tube pre amp on the Bryston Solid state power amp as I still believe the best combo I have heard to date is a solid state power amp with a tube pre amp.
 

Gold Member
Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio United States

Post Number: 1669
Registered: Jun-05
Yep Nick its hard to beat a good Hybrid setup.
 

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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York USA

Post Number: 3024
Registered: May-05
Elicit review coming soon -

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=59274.0
 

Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 7877
Registered: Feb-05
Excellent!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Dudywoxer

ScunthorpeUK

Post Number: 67
Registered: Mar-06
it would seem Mr Bateman has become the Alchemist of sound
http://www.rega.co.uk/product_images/ELICIT%20TRANSFORMER%20CLOSE%20UP.jpg

£1500 note's worth of pure rega
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2000
Registered: Jun-07
That is sexy. All those pretty colors. I need to hear one of these.
 

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Username: Jazzman71

Phoenix, AZ USA

Post Number: 317
Registered: Dec-07
Rega seems to be adopting all the foresight and pioneering in styling adopted by GM in the mid-1980s. This is the most ardent endorsement of any amplifier I have ever read by folks that have never heard it. Rega is in good shape.

Nick, with all due respect, Cindy Crawford at her age is far sexier than the guts of an infant Rega amplifier, IMHO. OOPS, OK, now I get it. Oh crap, now my wife is here.
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3258
Registered: Sep-04
Colin,

How much?! £1500? That'd make it almost as expensive as a Cursa/Maia.

I'd expect it to be less than that.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Dudywoxer

ScunthorpeUK

Post Number: 68
Registered: Mar-06
ok its less £1498.00 it will I assume replace the cursa maia leaving room for a better pre to front the exons

http://www.signals.uk.com/
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kbear

Post Number: 83
Registered: Dec-06
WhatHiFi has reviewed the Ellicit.

http://whathifi.com/Review/Rega-Elicit/
 

Silver Member
Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill Toronto ..., Ontario Canada

Post Number: 474
Registered: Jun-08
Sounds like it has the Rega PRAT and musicality but lacks the dynamics, depth of stage and specificity. Worth giving a listen to but sounds like it's worth listening to its competition, as well.
 

Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3460
Registered: Sep-04
Always - it's always worth listening to the competition to whatever you're considering.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kbear

Post Number: 86
Registered: Dec-06
Two reviews of the Arcam A38 and two very different opinions:

WhatHiFi: http://whathifi.com/Review/Arcam-A38/

HiFi Choice: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/amplifiers/arcam-f mj-a38-375485/review

HiFi Choice even called it a "future legend" on the cover of this issue. So I agree, you really have to listen for yourself and then make your own call. Reviews make for interesting reading but perhaps not a lot more. To be fair though, I believe both reviews highlighted the same weak points of this amp...one just felt they were more of an issue than the other I guess.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 8548
Registered: Feb-05
For me it's looking more and more like the Naim Nait XS is the best buy at anywhere near it's price.
 

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Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill Toronto ..., Ontario Canada

Post Number: 493
Registered: Jun-08
So Art, is the vision a Rega/Naim hybrid or would you be looking at a full-out Naim kit? Just interested in how you think the Naim Nait XS would fit into your plans.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2214
Registered: Jun-07
How much is the Naim Nait XS in American dollars Art?
 

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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York USA

Post Number: 3136
Registered: May-05
The XS has a few very good features - a powered output for either a Stageline or Headline, and an input for an external power supply. Naim's external power supplies are a huge upgrade.

In regards to the reviews listed above, I've always liked Hifi Choice. I agree with most of their opinions on gear that I've heard.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 8549
Registered: Feb-05
Between $2250 and $2500 is what I understand relative to price Nick.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2216
Registered: Jun-07
hmmm I must hear this Naim unit. I bet its fantastic. I would throw in a few other integrated amps that should rival the NAIM at 2500 dollars like the Bryston B60, McIntosh's so called entry level perhaps. I have never heard the NAIM gear yet though. Is it much better than the Rega stuff?
 

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Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill Toronto ..., Ontario Canada

Post Number: 501
Registered: Jun-08
Hey Nick, what Mc is in that ballpark. The entry level Mc integrated is $4300 CAD, or around there from what I've heard.

I've heard the SuperNait powering the Staffs and first impression was nice, quick tight sound but I wasn't blown away but that could be the open area I listened to it was not for critical listening. Now on the other hand when I heard the Mc 6600, which runs around $6800 CDN, that was jaw dropping. Really big sound.
 

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon USA

Post Number: 8550
Registered: Feb-05
For me there is no other integrated that I've heard that I like as well as Naim's at their price (or anywhere near it)....period. I have yet to listen to the XS but am looking forward to the opportunity.
 

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Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2217
Registered: Jun-07
hmmm i wish we had more NAIM dealers in my neck of the woods.
 

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Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3474
Registered: Sep-04
Nick,

I thought you were in the UK? Naim dealers are plentiful here.

To clarify - the XS is £1250. With currency fluctuations that could be anything from $1750 to $2500.

Rega's presentation differs enough from Naim's for people making direct comparisons to be swayed one way or the other. It's more usual for Rega people to migrate to Naim gear than the other way around simply because the Regas are in Naim's budget end of the range. Even the Saturn only competes with the 2nd up from the bottom Naim CD player (there are three more, each twice the price of the next). So once you've maxxed out your Rega system what do you do if you want more fidelity? You stick with it or you move away...

There had been talk a year or two ago of Rega bringing out an uber CD player more than twice the price of the Saturn. Now that would be quite a different tack from the hitherto 'giant killing performance for the money' approach that has always been Rega's trademark - unless of course it kills giants at twice the price...
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2263
Registered: Jun-07
Hey Frank, no I am a born and raised Canadian bud. Still living in Ontario Canada. There is no dealers in driving distance of me that carry Naim. A Pity. I might just pick up a used Naim Integrated amp one day and either keep it or turn around and sell it for the same price. Cheers Frank. Oh...any suggestions on some good used Naim integrates out there that are selling for half decent prices?
 

Silver Member
Username: Soundgame

Richmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 526
Registered: Jun-08
Nick when you hit Toronto next, let's go audition some Naim equipment together. I know Bay & Bloor Radio sells it.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2266
Registered: Jun-07
Sounds good to me George. When I am in the area next I will PM you before to let you know.
 

Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3481
Registered: Sep-04
Nick,

Sorry my mistake:

According to Dimexs, the Canadian distributor, the following are in the Ontario area:

ONTARIO
Audio Two, Windsor
(519) 979-7101
audiotwo@mnsi.net

BayBloor Radio, Toronto
(416) 967-1122
sales@baybloorradio.com

Hi Fi Fo Fum, Toronto
(416) 421-7552
steve@hififofum.ca

Lockridge HiFi, Markham
(905) 475-6300
info@lockridgehifi.com

Muskoka Sound & Vision, Bracebridge
(705) 645-4990
david@davidsavu.ca

Professional Sound Audio&Video, Sudbury
(705) 522-6708
professionalsound@on.aibn.com

Whitby Audio
(905) 668-0787
sales@whitbyaudiovideo.com

As for Naits well, I doubt you'll find the earliest example since Naim were still pretty small fry back then. The Nait2 was popular for a long time (and introduced me to the Naim sound so I'm a fan), the Nait3 was a bit rough and ready but still very engaging and the Nait5 was far more cultured and mature but still very capable. All Naits are low powered and all should be used with a minimum of 3.5m a side of Naim's own speaker cable since they designed this as part of the output circuit. Don't forget that they use DINs only on all those variants so special interconnects will be required. There's a very interesting comparison between all the Naits from HiFi World's Oct 2007 edition here:

http://www.penna-media.hu/review/naim/Tom%20Tom%20Naitology.pdf

Cheers,
Frank.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Kbear

Post Number: 89
Registered: Dec-06
I've been to Lockridge HiFi. They are very helpful and will spend a lot of time with you to audition their gear. If I go with Rega or Naim in the future it will be from that store I'm sure. As far as I recall, Rega is also pretty prominent there, as are speakers from Neat. I like BBR too, it's more of a big box atmosphere I guess, but of course they carry relatively high end brands. Some say they are overpriced but I find they have some pretty good sales. I got my Arcam DV135 for over half off this past summer. I wasn't planning on buying something that pricy but at over half off I couldn't resist.
 

Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2269
Registered: Jun-07
Thanks Frank and Dan. It looks like the closest place is the Whitby store. They are about an 90 minute drive away. I will just go the extra 30 and spend the day with George in T.
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