he said he wanted 4 twelves john is there any other setup that include four twelves and also he said the kenwood KVT815DVD cost about $1500 to $2000 i told him he could have gone with alpine or pioneer so he probably paid more than $5500 for it all.Man the ppl at audio creation got him. the reason i ask is becuase i want to let him know what he could have done instead.