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Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 12
Registered: Feb-12
hey guys I am looking to buy 2 10" subs for under the seat of my pickup. These Pioneer Premier Champion PRO series say they are 800 watts rms. just wondering what your thoughts on these subs were. or if there is something better i should go with. I want it to get LOUD!!!
 

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Username: Rovin

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Post Number: 17303
Registered: Jul-05
i'm sure better can be had

max budget & do u need a amp too ? ...
 

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Username: Joebruce

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Post Number: 3818
Registered: May-04
How much room do you have under your seats? Im guessing its not that much so its probably going to be hard to find subs that will fit under the seat and get LOUD like you want. You will probably have to use a small sealed box and/or maybe a shallow mount sub. Give us some measurements so we know how much room you have for your subs.

This JBL sub looks pretty nice and doesnt take up much room,it needs less than 1cbft in a sealed enclosure. And dont let the 300wrms fool you,Im sure it can take more and RMS doesnt always mean louder. The price is $130 and you can "make an offer" and get it cheaper.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39484_JBL-MS-10SD4.html
 

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Username: Joebruce

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Post Number: 3819
Registered: May-04
Also,do you already have an amplifier or are you going to get that after you choose your subs?

If you like the JBL subs I linked you too here is a nice amp for them

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_12248_JBL-GTO7001.html

But you would need to get the JBL subs in dual 2ohm to wire them to a 2ohm final load to that amp to get the 700wrms from the amplifier.
 

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Username: Joebruce

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Post Number: 3820
Registered: May-04
Oh one more thing,which I probably should have asked in the first place,what is your budget for subs,amp,wiring,enclosure? And are you planning on replacing your door speakers or are you just adding subs to your truck? Do you already have a HU(cd player)? We just need a lot more info in order to help you out so post your budget and what all you need and what you already have,if anything.
 

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Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 13
Registered: Feb-12
i would like to keep it around 500-600 dollars. i know that isn't a lot to get a real bangin system. but i already have a HU, i need to get an amp, 2 10" subs and a box. i was thinking maybe the fox acoustics box http://www.foxacoustics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DQC-210-V
it is vented (I dont know if that is good since i dont have a whole lot of room) i think the maximum mounting depth is somewhere around 6.5" with most of the boxes that i have seen.
I am not replacing door speakers, not yet anyway.

I was looking at some sundown audio subs or possibley some massive audio TW-10's. I just really have no idea what is loud
 

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Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 14
Registered: Feb-12
also need wiring. but i think i can probably find a decent 4 gauge wiring kit for around 45 dollars.... and if i wait another month i can pry get around 700 MAYBE for the system
 

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Username: Joebruce

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Post Number: 3822
Registered: May-04
I would not spend $250 on that box! If you have the tools/ability to build a box yourself you can save a ton of money. Just get a box design from a member on here or go over to http://www.caraudio.com/forums/forum.php or http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/ and ask someone there for a box design for your application.

What HU do you already have?

As for wiring,this kit has everything you need even 20ft of 14ga speaker wire to wire your subs with. Its not the best wiring kit out there but for your application it will work just fine and save you money! Here is the link http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KCA-K4

If you are mainly just looking for loud subwoofer then here is another option

http://www.audioque.com/NEW-Street-Duty-SDC20-10-D4-Subwoofer-_p_68.html

They have a very small mounting depth but you would almost have to use a ported box since AQ subs dont really like sealed enclosures,and using a ported box will give you more output. Those subs I linked you to are only $89 new,so 2 of those comes out to $178 plus shipping

For an amplifier to match those subs http://www.audioque.com/AQ750-Amplifier_p_46.html That would push those 2 10s perfect,yes I know it would be overpowering them a tad but AQ subs are tough and can take a little extra power with no problems! that amp new is $199.

So far
2 10" AQ SDC2.0 subs=$178
AQ 750 amplifier=$199
KnuKonceptz wiring kit=$26.99

Without the shipping costs that comes to $403.99 So that leaves you with plenty of room to either get a box design and buy the materials and build your own enclosure,or just pay someone to build you a vehicle specific ported box built to the AQ subs specs.
 

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Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 15
Registered: Feb-12
alright! that fox acoustics box is only 165 though i think. they have it discounted (or at least say they do). Do you think that 250 watts rms per sub will get as loud as like the massive audio TW-10 or the sundown audio SD2-10?..... which are 500 watt RMS apiece.
another person told me to be sure to get dual 4 ohm subs so that i could wire them to 1 ohm. is this true? i don't have a lot of knowledge on this stuff so i appreciate the help!
 

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Username: Joebruce

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Post Number: 3824
Registered: May-04
Im not sure about the Massive subs but they do look nice. They are also more expensive than the AQs and like you said they need more power to get moving,which means bigger amp,which means more money for an amp. So keep that in mind.

The Sundowns would be a good choice but again,they are a bit more expensive and need more power and I think the Sundowns can actually take a bit more than the 500wrms they are rated for.

And like I said in one of my above posts a higher RMS doesnt always mean it will be louder. There are people that can take a 200wrms sub and given the right power and enclosure make it louder than a 1500wrms sub. And some subwoofers are built to be SQ subs,meaning they focus on more of a clean sounding output opposed to just getting loud,that will have a higher RMS than a strictly SPL oreinted sub and the lower RMS SPL sub will get louder than the higher rated RMS SQ sub.

Im not sure how loud either the Massive or Sundown subs can get but I know from personal experience that AQ subs get loud! You could always step up to the next model sub from AQ,the AQ SDC2.5 http://www.audioque.com/Street-Duty-SDC25-10-D4-Subwoofer_p_10.html and I know those get pretty loud and sound good too. They are also cheaper than both the Massive and Sundown subs. but the AQ SDC2.5 is 600wrms so that means more money for a bigger amp to push them. And if you are going to run over 1000wrms then that wiring kit i linked you to wouldnt be a good choice,you would need to get the more expensive kit so it can support 1000+wrms and that wiring kit i beleive is around $55.

It all comes down to how much money you want to spend on this system and if you will have enough space under your seats to fit a ported enclosure and your amplifier. If you want a loud setup then you almost have to go with a ported enclosure,which is going to be bigger than any sealed enclosure. So whats your MAX budget for this setup? B/c the possibilities are endless when adding a system to your vehicle it just comes down to how much money you are willing to dump in to it. Also do you have to put the subs under the seats? If you could put them somewhere else,well,that opens up a lot more options as far as subs and how big of a box to use,etc.

If you went with the AQ SDC2.5 10s they are 600wrms so you could get this amp for them http://www.audioque.com/AQ1200D-Amplifier_p_30.html And actually even if you chose to go with the Sundowns that AQ amp would work great with them too. Personally I would go with the 2 10" AQ SDC2.5s and either the AQ1200 or if you want to save money on an amp that is still good quality and will do the rated power you need check out this

http://www.audiosavings.com/products/Mono-Car-Amplifier/Hifonics-Brutus-BRZ1200. 1D-1200-Watt-RMS-Class-D-Mono-Car-Amplifier-Amp-BRZ1200/BRZ1200.1D.aspx

I think you would be very happy with this setup and it will be loud.
http://www.audioque.com/Street-Duty-SDC25-10-D4-Subwoofer_p_10.html
http://www.audiosavings.com/products/Mono-Car-Amplifier/Hifonics-Brutus-BRZ1200. 1D-1200-Watt-RMS-Class-D-Mono-Car-Amplifier-Amp-BRZ1200/BRZ1200.1D.aspx
http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KOL-AK4

AQ subs 2 10" SDC2.5=$258.00 +shipping
Hifonics Brutus BRZ1200.1D=$157.95 +free shipp
KnuKonceptz KOL-AK4 amp wiring kit=$52.49

For a total of $468.44 but that does not include shipping for the subs or the amp kit. Or you could go with this amp kit to save a little money

http://www.audiosavings.com/products/Complete-Car-Amplifier-Installation-kit/Cad ence-WK21-2-AWG-Gauge-Amp-Wiring-Installation-Kit-w--ANL-Fuse-Holder/WK21.aspx

And dont forget about the money you will need for the enclosure. Oh and yes if you need the power from your amp a 1ohm then you must get 2 dual 4ohm subs so you can wire them to a 1ohm final load. Hope Ive helped you out a little bit and maybe helped you decide on some equipment!
 

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Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3825
Registered: May-04
Sorry for the long posts but just trying to help out and give you some options and opinions. Now Im no expert by any means but I know my stuff a little bit lol.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 16
Registered: Feb-12
wow, thank you very very much. You have helped me a lot! i really appreciate it! one final question. with that fox acoustics box being 165, do you think its worth it? because i don't know anyone around here to build a custom box and i know for sure that i can't.....once again thank you very very much.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 17
Registered: Feb-12
and i would like to keep them under the seat, i use my back seat and the bed too much to sacrifice either of those
 

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Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3826
Registered: May-04
I would not buy that box you have been looking at b/c it may not be made of that great or material and may just turn out to be complete junk. I dont trust prefab boxes at all. Like I said if you can build the box yourself and get a good design from someone,you will save a lot of money building it yourself. Plus it will just feel good knowing that you built the box yourself!

You can ask this guy to help you design an enclosure,he can even build it for you. He is a good guy,I actually am the one who named his website for him

https://www.wooferwarehouse.com/Custom-Enclosure-Design-_p_123.html

And there is a guy on this forum name Joe Durkahm that would probably be more than happy to help you with a design,probably free of charge. So maybe create a thread with his name in the title and give him all the info such as subs,max length,width,height,what type of sound your looking to get out of your system and whatever other info he will need and he will help you design an enclosure that will work best for your application.

Also join some other car audio forums,Im sure there are some people on sites like CACO and CA that wouldnt mind helping you out with a box design.

Good luck with your system with whatever equipment you do decide to choose,I hope you are happy with the end results! Keep me updated on your equipment choices and once you start building it let me know how it goes and how it turns out. Good luck!
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 18
Registered: Feb-12
ok awesome! thank you very much. I don't know the first thing about designing a box. I don't even know what "measurements" to take??? or how to measure them? am i suppose to just take a tape measure out to my pickup and measure what i have for room under my seat?
I'm sorry these are probably ridiculous questions but i am completely clueless
 

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Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3827
Registered: May-04
No need to apologize for asking so many questions,hey we were all "noobs" at one point,hell I still consider myself somewhat of a noob lol.

About the measurments,yes you are correct. You need to measure the max dimmensions you have by width,length,and height. You may want to measure all the dimmensions then subtract an inch or so from each just to make sure you will have enough room. It would really be aggravating if you get the box built and your box is an inch or half inch too long or something lol.

Since you are already limited on space,it would be a good idea to use an aero port instead of a slot port to save room. Plus if you end up building the enclosure yourself an aero port is much easier to build than a slot ported box. If you have someone design a box for you just tell them you want to use an aero port(s).
 

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Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3828
Registered: May-04
If you didnt already know,this is what an aero port is

http://www.psp-inc.com/

Once you give all the measurements,type of subs,type of amp you will be using and all the other info you need to give to the person thats designing your enclosure they will be able to tell you what size,what length and how many aero ports you will need to use.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 19
Registered: Feb-12
ok! now i have a 2007 dodge ram. so the back seat isn't flat, it kind of has two "storage" compartments. how will i go about measuring that?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Rovin

1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T...

Post Number: 17307
Registered: Jul-05
wow twiz can write a magazine ....
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 20
Registered: Feb-12
i'm really glad he did! he has helped me so much its not even funny! i really appreciate it!
 

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Username: Joebruce

Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!!

Post Number: 3829
Registered: May-04
Meh I do what I can

As far as the storage compartments go,I would just measure it normally and then subtract for the height of the storage compartments. It would be best if you asked a pro. box builder/designer to help you with that question though. Anyways good luck with everything and let me know how it turns out.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Trpiep01

Post Number: 21
Registered: Feb-12
alright sounds good. once again thanks a lot!
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