Don't think that anyone here can do a thing, it's kind funny to see how just adding a pretty interface and some useless features can draw traffic... IMO the owners here are just letting it die out, take whatever revenue they can still get.. and then be done with it.
I understand the OG members here moving on from the car audio scene but there should be new members having interest. I just don't see that these days. Plus the new cars these days come with pretty decent sound. I know it's nothing compared to having an after market system but I gotta admit, it sounds good. Also the way the dash board is designed these days, having an after market stereo in it's place just doesn't look as good. Not to mention in a lot of cars the factory stereo also controls the AC and other stuff.
We go through this every so often here on E. New car construction isn't as friendly to aftermarket ad ons as it used to be for good reason. The more complicated the electrical system means less room for unanticipated additions to it. Let's face it, with every new model comes a more fine tuned engineered product. Hell I used to be able to change my radiator and water pump out of my 1984 Buick with only one trip to to Pep Boys and a 6 pack. Today? Even standard oil changes are a mess and require special tools. Buddy's 1972 Nova? I used to be able to stand inside the engine bay. Try that in ANY of today's cars. NOT gonna happen lol.
I was thinking hey let me check on ecoustics and low and behold my initial thoughts that this place cant be doing so well after years has now just been proven. Still seems like theres the select few that just never choose to leave tho.
whatever happens to this site i appreciate all the effort members have put into it over the years. this was the site that taught me everything i know about car audio and without it i would have been much less into building systems for myself or for friends.
hmmmm it is pretty dead. i have moved no from car audio honestly. and i got sick of seeing the same freakin posts every other day. seems no one wants to research what they want and learn how to do it them selves. they want to be told what to buy and have someone else do it. lazy as.s society
I just haven't been feeling it for car audio lately. Heck, I listed some of my old gear on CL recently to get some money together to do some work on the home theater. I still like to visit here, though.
for those of u who know about how forums work - is there a way to update this site into a modern 1 & still keep all the old threads & posts as they were or will everything have to started over from scratch which wud result in all the threads\posts being lost ? ...
It all depends on server space and how much the admin would dedicate his time and $$ in doing so. Sure it can be done. Data storage is cheap. I mean really cheap. Especially with the upload file size restriction this site has always had there can't be more than enough data to fill a $200 HD. The biggest investment is time. Then again I don't know that much about networking but every time we have a server problem at work all it takes is a weekend and servers serving 5000 computers can be updated with the latest software. Come Monday we're all on the same page.
Or maybe Brian has other ventures he's more interested in?
I learned pretty much all I know from this forum. I was a great place to come for friendly, spot on, honest help back in the day. Glasswolf I still use your page today and share links with others who need help. Its a one stop shop for car audio knowledge. I posted the link in the other tread, but the hang out spot, for me atleast, is Car Audio Advice on Facebook. I created it some time ago and in the past few months its started taking off. The idea is to have a place for people to come to get unbiased, honest help and advice, but to also chat, post build logs, get opinions, etc, etc. www.facebook.com/caraudioadvice
Also I'm with glass. Car audio hasn't been my thing so much lately. Got a new car with a great OEM premium system and haven't felt the desire to go aftermarket other than adding an iPod/aux-in adapter. Still tinker around with car audio a bit and don't mind helping people though I don't keep up with it like I used to.
I've been more into home audio recently and got kind of tired of Jan Vigne's strange posts here on ecoustics. Plus unlike car audio, there's lots of snobbery in home audio that puts me off lol.
I've mostly just stayed in touch with several members here via AIM.
Try different forums for home audio. I'm on a ton of them. vinylengine, diyaudio, avscience forums, avforums UK, audiokarma, etc.. You'll find many, many people on those foums with a vast amount of very accurate knowledge in home audio topics. I'm learning stuff every day.
I just made a bunch of my own DIY cables for speakers and interconnects. probably just as good as the expensive Transparent, Ixos, and Kimber cables, at a small fraction of the cost. At present, I'm looking at buying a Pro-Ject RM1.3 turntable, swapping the MDF platter for an Acrylic one, changing the Pearl cartridge it comes with for an Ortofon 2M Blue MM cart, and building my own valve/tube phono pre-amp for it. I figure with all of that, the parts for the project, DIY cabling making fine silver twisted pair interconnects etc I'll be looking at about $1200, which for that setup is a great price. A store bought pre-amp like my project alone would sell for about $2800. I just don't spend enough time in car car anymore to really warrant doing any more work to it.
This is a bi-amp cable I made for my main speakers (this is a shorter one for the center channel)
This is the turntable I'm buying. If you ever saw the movie remake of The Mechanic, it might look familiar.
These are some twisted-pair silver wire interconnects, DIY
I'm also on DIY haha. It is indeed a great forum and I've learned a lot there--especially since many members there are engineers or at least probably could be! I'll have to check out the other forums you mentioned.
That cable came out great! I remember you showing me photos of it partially completed. Looks even better than the ridiculously pricey stuff. Didn't realize you'd use that nice mesh covering over the shrink wrap.
And that turntable is sexy with the acrylic platter.
Jan has a way of doing that to ppl Jexx. His knowledge outweighs his ability to keep his ego in check. He has a few followers, or I should say jesters, but all in all he's a wealth of knowledge and someone who LOVES to type his rants out. He just needs to know when to back off and allow other opinions to be not only presented but defended. He also has more haters than followers. Something it appears to only fuel him. Don't get me wrong, they (home audio guys) will answer your questions with not only an abundance of gathered experience but sadly also under the shadow of what "he'll" say next.
He shook me up several times with his retorts over simple questions. After all a forum is a public place of education. Not a place to demean and ridicule any idea you may have but respectfully offer advice and guidance backed by experience. THAT is how you learn. NOT by participating in a back and forth pizzing match which only lowers you both.
Say your peace and move on.
Glass for example has that quality. Back your advice up with respectable experience and leave the BS on the side of the road where it belongs.
I try. I don't always succeed, but I do try. I've found the key to conversing with Jan is twofold. Firstly, be respectful, don't get riled up over a thread, and additionally, and perhaps most importantly, always be able to back up whatever you offer to a thread with cited, factual data that gives you a good foundation for what you say. Be sure what you're offering is, in fact correct and not just an "audiophile myth" or what many fall victim to, which is 'believing' something is better than something else simply because of marketing, pseudo-science, or just wanting to believe it because you paid a lot for something reportedly superior. That's mainly what he likes to target. I've acknowledged his comments in threads, since he is usually correct in most of his views, and offered my own findings, and things have gone quite well.
Recently someone asked about using a computer power supply for a car amp in his home. I discouraged this, and the only things Jan took issue with were my not giving specific reasons for the information I offered (which I expounded on as a result) and my use of extreme possibilities as a result of failure in the OP's attempted goals. (I told the guy he'd burn down his house, and was informed that was highly unlikely. hahaha) All in all, a very pleasant thread overall.
I credit this site to my knowledge in car audio. The people on this site overall are soo GD knowledgeable and insigntful compared to a lot of the d-bags on smd and ssa. Yall basically walked me through everything as I built my first syetem, and i cant thank yall enough for it.
I remember when I first came to this site looking to put together a sound system for my 71 chevelle, the first comment hunterw said to me was "there can only be one hunter on here" hahaha!! weather hunterw was being an as$, or picking on me just because, i took it as being accepted into the E family. I hope this place doesnt die out. I will definitely miss Ecoustics for sure! not sure what other site to go get good information from. My post count is low because I dont go running my mouth on what i "think" is right way or what is better because i am trying to sound smart yet i dont truly know and on the other side of the coin i also am reading posts of what others have said to see if i too have the same question. i know and understand how a question can be beaten to death and how annoying that gets. Thank you again for all your knowledge!!
Oh there are the stories about MANY members and their antics.
Let's not resurrect those corpses lol.
I WILL, however, encourage any thread or post that exposes fraud, theft, or any other type of forum abuse that can be backed with proof. There have been many ppl here taking advantage of other members and our only power as a forum against such criminal activity is to remind each other and spot them when they reappear. Some do regularly every couple of years. Mark Potts to name just one. I often suggested to Brian that we generate a "buyer beware" area of Ecoustics where anyone who experienced a bad transaction can post their feedback on another member, thus educating the rest. Mark took many ppl to the bank if I remember and he kept coming back. Since there wasn't any flag raised ppl kept ordering/paying for boxes he couldn't build.
This was just yet one of MANY suggestions given to the admin that never got addressed. It is what it is.
yeah.. I hve a fast (l;ow 9's in the quarter) car with a loud stereo, but I too am more cencentrated on home cinema and audio these days. Just bought a new turntable, and a couple of nakamichi tape decks, and a pair of KEF Q1 speakers within the past couple of months for the home systems. Haven't touched the car in ages.
Rovin, not always the case.. many people share a dwelling with others, or live in an apartment, which severely limits the enjoyment of a home system. That's why I got into car audio initially. I lived at home, was in school, and it was easier to crank the stereo in my car alone than at home with people around. I also, as you noted, spent a lot of time driving around.. then again, gas was about a buck per gallon back then, too.
Eric. That sub is a beast in a car. In a house it would be unbelievable . I always looked into an IB app in my house but for me the cost just wasn't justified seeing as I'm looking to move soon. It involves a good bit of structural and hands on work that I'd love to do but just don't want to pull the trigger on, especially if I plan on selling the home soon. I will have to just imagine the sound/experience for now.
And Glass, I too remember the cost of gas 20 years ago. I rode a cycle and $2 filled the tank and it lasted me a week. Today I put $20 in my truck's tank every other day, and I just go to and from work. My 1988 camaro didn't stretch the mileage either lol. But then gas was $1 and change/gal?
yeah back in the 80s I was driving a 280ZX, so I can relate. Didn't care about gas prices back then.. Just looked for the cheapest station nearby and filled up.
As for subs in the home, you'd be amazed at how little it really takes to get loud in the house. I use a Sunfire true sub for my 2-channel system (2.1 really) and it's a single 10" driver with a 10" passive radiator, in a sealed box that is about 11" cubed. It's tiny. The sub has a 2700 watt plate amp, and that thing is literally concussive when I turn it up. It's more than enough for just about anything but a really huge room.
Well at that point it's about making a statement instead of enjoying HT. I mean you can easily feel the bass and the intended experience from only a 10" sub off 100 watts. Properly designed of course. Some, like myself, didn't care about the sensitivity factor and room acoustics, sub placement and such. I wanted to feel the bass regardless of engineering the crap out of it to save on electricity or balance on the rest of the system. I also didn't have roommates or neighbors to worry about. So if all you're looking to do is move air, and lots of it, then it's relatively easy to do. Mind you I don't use my HT sub at levels that shake the dish upstairs every time. That's just stupid and destructive to my own property. But then again if I were 18 again..................................................
That's what I'm talking about. That kind of disturbance to the home will cause actual damage if used over an extended time period. Impressive as it may seem it shouldn't be used daily. Watch his drywall start cracking and popcorn ceiling start to fall. You've seen what low freqs do to windshields and window seals on cars on only short bursts. Now extrapolate that over hours of use in the house.
actually YT has a number of good videos of the Sunfire True Subwoofer I use as well.. videos of doors vibrating, the sub walking across the floor by itself, etc.. not bad for a 50 pound sub that's 11" square. I really just use it with the volume control turned nearly to zero though, for bottom octave extension for music.. makes Miles Davis sound really good.
Paul, it honestly surprises me how loud and good sounding 1 subwoofer can get. i only have one saz2500d on it, too. i can't even imagine how it's going to sound in a room. it's starting to be a nuisance taking up my whole trunk and weighing down my back end. i also can't push my car like i want to around turns so what i eventually plan on doing is putting 1 idmax in there for replacement and going the sq route.
Eric, I've always been a fan of a single sub design. It's how I designed and built my own HT sub system, even as crude as it is. Single driver applications are easier to design, engineer and build. It's also why most, if not all HT sub designs use one driver in an engineered location. After all, it's all about location, location, location. LOL.
Im just too busy workin 50 hr weeks and livin life to have time for forums these days. And after i built a nice sq system for my charger, i just dont have the need to do any more car audio stuff for a while.
Also the talk about oem integration and many cars coming with good oem sound systems now days is spot on. The charger was the first car i ever kept the stock HU in. Speakers still sucked tho.
Anyways, say hi to the other old timers for me. And do pioneer HUs still suck? lol. Havent touched one in years.
I hope this forum does not go the way of the "Dodo". I learned so much by simply reading (as evidenced by my low post count) the threads and applying that acquired knowledge, real world. Before I came here, I thought that I was hammering. I realized that was simply not the case. LOL The O.G. people here do not often demean your point-of-view (unless you say something blazingly stupid). They also do not suffer from "the all powerful Oz" syndrome, meaning they did not mind admitting someone Else's knowledge may exceed their own. Truly good times that I would hate to see gone permanently.
I pop in to see whats up. Just too busy to hang out. Also, I stopped going on the pc like I used to. Used to spend 4~5 hours a day on a pc. Now its like maybe 20 minutes a week, just to bank or something like that. As far as systems go, I ran my same system till july, when I got a new van. The new van will be built with 2~ aq2200 running 3 jl w6 13's, also, two sets of beyma mid bass, 2 sets of beyma mid tanges, and a set of beyma ph35 bullet tweeters. My winter project. Ontop of this, I am redoing my moms apartment down stairs for rental income now that she moved in with jesus, and also I bought a lake house in N.H. On winnasquam near Laconia so im up there alor. Plus some other personal issues prevent me from posting more. Real life comes fitst. But I do miss the haydayz of tbis site. Lastly, I put my 55 olds on the road, so thats another time bandit. Ok, ttyl.
The eye past directly over me in Jersey. Seaside Heights, if anyone remembers it, is gone. Literally. The roller coaster is in the ocean and the boardwalk collapsed and washed away. LBI sustained an estimated billion $ damage to my knowledge right now but will probably rise. Homes were battered off their piers and there is 3' of sand everywhere. Power is out for many and won't come back for possibly weeks.
In North Jersey there is a gas shortage that has everyone in a panic. Some lines are 180 cars long and some have law enforcement protecting the peace. If it continues for another week there is an expected widespread array of theft, looting and price gouging of fuel that would rival Katrina. I read there are people on Craigslist selling gas for $15/gallon and getting it by those who simply cannot wait in line for 8+ hrs.
Then you head in NYC where they are dealing with a flooded subway that is crippling the city's transit problem. Compounding the problem this weekend is ironically Mother natural herself again. With so many without power and no gas it's the worst time for the temperatures to dip close to freezing. Breezy Point about lost itself with 80-100 homes destroyed by fire. NYC marathon......canceled.
There are countless stories of this nature which will probably go down in US history as the single largest devastating event due to weather.
i came here back when i was 15 trying to put a system in an astro van, hence my username. didnt know a damn thing. almost 23 years old now. i found so much music on here that banged hard then made some cds and then the music i found was all over my town. came back to find an updated list of hardest hitting songs. but not much luck.
"i came here back when i was 15 trying to put a system in an astro van, hence my username. didnt know a damn thing. almost 23 years old now. i found so much music on here that banged hard then made some cds and then the music i found was all over my town."}
^^^Same Here, I learned everything I know about car audio when I was about 15 from this forum back in the days when GlassWolf was famous here. Now I do SEO and Web Design--> This site is hurting Def liked the old school look better
I came to E almost 2.5 yrs ago, and I liked it cuz there wasn't a whole lot going on and I could keep up with everything. People thought I was a troll haha, and maybe I was. But I learned many things from this site, including internet forum ediquette. Most of what I know about car audio I learned right here, and on websites that ppl from here rocommended. Thanks, guys!
man i recognize so many user names on here from back when i knew nothing about car audio and came here for help. does anyone remember the troll that has a username really similar to an established member on here?
Do they have an "I see chicken thread" or floating MDF in a pool to bend it moron lol? They were some good times. Yeah this place has fallen off the map. Seems I can check in only monthly and not miss a thing. Back in the day if you missed an evening's worth of drama you missed out.
Crescendo Audio FTMFW!!,
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This place really is dead,huh? Ive kinda lost interest in car audio as of the last year or so. Mainly b/c you usually have to have a running car to enjoy car audio and Ive had trouble with cars and went a few months completely without one. Right now my system, well whats installed, is 15" AA Havoc on a Soundstream D-Tower DTR1.1700d and my Alpine HU that Paul sold me cdr-9813 I think? Thats all I have installed in my car that has not moved for a couple months its just sitting in my driveway. Its got some issues and I do not have the time/money to fix it yet. But I have been getting more into home audio anyways,after all most of my time is spent at home,not in the car so it only makes sense to invest more into the audio in the house right? I built my very first set of bookshelf speakers,I actually just finished them a few days ago. They consist of Dayton audio 5.25" classic mids along with the Dayton 1 1/8" silk dome tweeters and I also built the xovers using mostly Dayton products like the caps,resistors,etc. I used the .23ft3 knock down speaker enclosure kit from Parts Express. I basically made this......
With some slight changes though. It all started b/c I started out with the Dayton Audio B652 speakers with the Dayton DTA-1 class T amp,got them as a combo deal but I was somewhat disappointed with the sound of the prebuilt speakers and when I took the speakers out of the enclosure to examine them closer,I was even more disappointed. I just felt they were made very sloppy and didnt seem like a normal product from Dayton. They had no xover inside just a very cheap cap on the tweeters and they used 2 different rated caps on each tweeter one a 6.8 the other a 3.? and one had a peice of dampining material in it and the other did not,just little dumb things about them that upset me. I found a great deal on the Dayton classic mids and tweeters for the TriTrixMT that I couldnt pass up so I started the project. The Dayton amp I got with the B652s was great though so Im using that for now until I can get a bigger amp or maybe a receiver. I am pretty proud of my first attempt at building some home audio speakers! I think my next project will be this......
That will match my MT set so I can use those as the front mains and the MT set I just built for surrounds maybe. Then Ill build the TrTrix MTM sealed for a center and build a sub with a Dayton Audio driver and I will have a beast 5.1 system for WAY less than anything the box stores sell and will sound WAY better too. Nobody is probably even gonna read this but oh well,just wanted to say hi and let anyone who is left know Im not dead or locked up.
That's the normal evolution of things my man. Pounding it in your ride eventually turns into home audio. Not because you're getting old but because it's where you spend your time. And you know it doesn't get cheaper moving indoors. PE is a good way to start experimenting and sometimes catch a good deal.
Hey guys. First I will start by saying that the last few years have been filled with personal issues. You could say its been Exalgo. With that being said... I have begun my new install. It will consist of 3 13w6 off the AQ 2200. Then the rest Mcintosh, Zapco, Nakamichi amps, Beyma mid woofers and mid bass and twetters as main with audio control eqs. Then some rear fill and door fill. and misc...
I just stumbled upon this page after looking up something about some speakers I purchased 8 years ago... Saw some old posts I made as an arrogant 18 year-old. What happened to eCoustics? I've been gone since 2006. Sad to see this site died. I spent many days and late nights posting here in the past.
Best site on the net to get free radio codes, pretty sure half of these people asking are not in very good terms with the law.
There will be other 100+ sites on the net to discuss car audio in which you won't find spammers (well scammers) selling chinese shoes and washing machines undisturbed + an seriously outdated user experience. IMHO owners here just didn't care to keep up.
Wow looks like I picked a bad time to get back on here. I remember like five or six years ago reading through countless pages of build threads and whatnot. Glad to see a lot of the OGs are still around, even if some of you have got out of the game for the most part. Pretty cool seeing the old user names pop up.
Whats everyone been up to? I've been out of car audio for a while after getting a new car... been about 2 years since I've even heard a loud system. I'm thinking about doing a small SQ setup this summer though.
Yo Chad, I still have that RL-s you sold me a long time ago. Still haven't hooked it up. It's been sitting in the same box you shipped it to me in. Long time no see BTW, I haven't been on this site in like 2 years.
I work as a manager for a rental car company as a side job and I think it's gonna come back soon. For some reason between 2015 and 2017 the audio quality in cars has dropped off the map. We just got our 2017 models delivered during the last week and I will say it's not looking good speakers wise. A couple of years in a row from about 2011-2015 there was some decent stock systems in cars. The infotainment systems have come along way but I see custom car audio making a comeback. Another forum I lurk alot has to do with putting carputers (car computers) in their rides and I think there's a crossroads between that and custom audio.
Lots of these models have Bose/Alpine options but I'm not a fan of it.
Was doing a google search and came across an Ecoustics thread I had posted in about 10 years ago. What an immature kunt I was back then, pretty embarrassed.
Sad to see this place die, I spent a lot of time on here back when I was big into car audio. Still remember drooling over GlassWolf's Charger. I've recently started getting into home audio; I think most can agree that the audiophile bug never really goes away, people just move on from a particular niche like cars to something different as interests change.
Sup guys! Phil, been so long dude I remember we used to talk on AIM all the time back in the day. Julian whats up dude and how are you going to leave the legend Brad off the list. Crazy to believe I was 16 when I joined this forum.. I've been completely done with car audio for years now but I still have the site bookmarked and check up here every other month or so. Hope everyone is doing well!
I wonder how many of us are friends on FB after all these years and don't even know it. Kevin Holden was at my store a couple years ago, he works at Digital Designs these days, he mentioned Ecoustics, I said whoa wait a second, you're the Kevin from Ecoustics?! small world. It was a pleasure all the conversations we all had, Hunter, Rob, Glass, Canaan, heck hundreds of you, I'm guessing many of you felt the same in that I considered you guys friends. ok, enough reminiscing, back to Facebook... :D