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Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3140
Registered: May-04
I needs some juice! Nothing too huge or powerfull just something that will do better than my Duralast "redtop". At the moment I will be running between 7-800ish from my sub amp and 100-125ish x 2 from my comp amp. But come tax time I will be running around 1200wrms for sub. So what are some brands and/or models I should be looking at? Kinetik? Optima? XS? I dont really know much about bat-trees. Help a brotha out!

FYI I will be getting a HO alt probably this secks-e one from DB

http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-4880-s10-sonoma-high-output-powder-alternator-01-0 2-03-04.aspx

Suggestions for a new alt too if the one I linked isnt good enough or whatever.
 

Gold Member
Username: Bonhamd

Traverse City, MI

Post Number: 2335
Registered: Nov-07
yo twiz

i have a few small batts - you can probably fit 2 in your tray and one in the back

http://mechman.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/35?osCsid=173a24df 9141e1505dff17dfe6941e32

resting voltage

12.25 volts
12.03 volts
11.21 volts

$150 plus shipping for all 3
 

Gold Member
Username: Bonhamd

Traverse City, MI

Post Number: 2336
Registered: Nov-07
whoops - bad link

these are the batts

http://mechman.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/35
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3143
Registered: May-04
I dont really have any interest in running 3 batts Daniel lol. That just isnt my "style" lol. I like simplicity.1 batt,1 sub,1 sub amp,1 set of comps,1 amp for comps. I like to keep it as simple as possible. Those batts are freakin tiny tho huh?
 

Gold Member
Username: Bonhamd

Traverse City, MI

Post Number: 2337
Registered: Nov-07
i hear you - yes theyre very small batts

quite heavy for their size though
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1516
Registered: Sep-09
http://www.amazon.com/Shuriken-SK-BT60-60ah-Battery/dp/B0024ODKC0
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 556
Registered: Sep-05
How much for one?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Post Number: 13980
Registered: Dec-03
get a decent deep cycle battery, and put it in the trunk. connect the amplifiers directly to the second battery for both pos and neg terminals, and connect the 2nd battery to the alternator via a battery isolator rated for greater than or equal to the peak output of the alternator.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Nd4spd18

Philadelphia, PA

Post Number: 11488
Registered: Jul-06
Odyssey... Or sears diehard platinum, a rebranded odyssey
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3148
Registered: May-04
Ok let me be clear about this....again. I DO NOT want to run more than 1 (ONE) uno,singular,single battery.

I ONLY want to run 1 (ONE) battery under the hood and thats it. So the ONE battery will start my truck and run my stereo.

I will check those out MS. I had know idea that those Diehard batterys were really Odysseys. Is it just the platinum series that are Odysseys or all Sears Diehards?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tejcurrent

Post Number: 2546
Registered: Apr-07
Link didn't work, was it this? It looks pretty.

http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-4880-s10-sonoma-high-output-powder-alternator-01-0 2-03-04.aspx

Personally if you have the 4.3 I'd go for a large case. I'd take a factory large case ad244 over a high output cs130 from pretty much anywhere. There just isn't good idling output with that case. I've swapped an expensive 200 out for a 10 year old factory Tahoe alternator and had better idling output on a 4.3 Jimmie.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tejcurrent

Post Number: 2547
Registered: Apr-07
For battery I'd use Odyssey, shuriken, or XS Power. I love my XS Power batts. They're a tad expensive but work great for me.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Rovin

1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T...

Post Number: 16751
Registered: Jul-05
i like the XS D3100 , i own 3 of them - great battery ...
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3149
Registered: May-04
Troy I was on the S10forum and there is a sticky thread over there about the AD244. Supposedly it fits in an S10 but you just dont use the third mounting hole and you have to get a slightly larger belt. I went to the junk yard to try and get one but when I got there I couldnt remember what years and vehicles it came stock on. I thought there would be model numbers on the alts but of course there wasnt. My local pull-n-save has alts for 30 bucks too! Troy, could you please list some vehicles and the years that that alt came in? Or link me to some on ebay or somethin? Ive heard the AD244 does 100+ amps at idle and they made 130 and 145 amp models. I would rather have the AD244 anyways b/c it is way cheaper.

As for a battery,what would be my cheapest but best option?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Post Number: 13984
Registered: Dec-03
I wouldn't use a deep cycle battery as your starter battery. It's not what they're made for, and the charging and discharge curves for a deep cycle are not at all suited to working as a starter battery.

Your battery, regardless of the one you choose, is not going to replace the need for that high output alternator. Get the alternator sooner rather than later. You're drawing a substantial amount of current on a mostly stock electrical system.
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3151
Registered: May-04
Yea I should probably get an alt first. But I still want to upgrade my battery too.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tejcurrent

Post Number: 2548
Registered: Apr-07
If you wanted to pull an alt from a 'yard I would look for a late 90's tahoe, suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, Silverado, or other work truck. The better alternator (stock 140/150a) is on the GM conversion vans (some) also vans set up with lift for wheel chairs, and a pretty much sure bet would be the 03-04 suburban.

I called my local used car parts yard and they wanted 90 dollars for a used 03 suburban alt- what a rip off! I wouldn't pay more than 50 bucks for a used alt. It may be cheaper at 75 bucks or so if you haggle with them, but if the car has 200k miles and even an 03 is 7-8 years old, you've got a ton of wear and may end up buying another or repairing soon.

If you or anyone else is interested in brand new 'beefy' factory alts that do 100-110 idle and 170-180 peak I've got them for $150, with 2 year warranty.
 

Gold Member
Username: Gcs8

Atlanta, Ga

Post Number: 1519
Registered: Sep-09
i would just buy from troy.
 

Gold Member
Username: Joebruce

TC Sounds/DLS

Post Number: 3154
Registered: May-04
How many watts would the 100-110 at idle be good for?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Glasswolf

Post Number: 13989
Registered: Dec-03
that would depend on how much of that current will be used by other devices, like air conditioning, power windows and locks, ignition system, etc.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15648
Registered: Jun-04
only the platnium series is an odessey
 

Platinum Member
Username: Nd4spd18

Philadelphia, PA

Post Number: 11490
Registered: Jul-06
^^^ this

If you go with the diehard which is what I would do, it MUST be the platinum, those other are just regular car batteries.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tejcurrent

Post Number: 2555
Registered: Apr-07
Figure 40-60 amps for the car, so around 50 left over for the system. The average 1000 watt amp will only need 50 amps on music, and while the voltage will fluctuate the pauses in bass will allow the alt to catch back up so to speak. Anything over that I'd add a batt or larger alternator.
 

Silver Member
Username: Canaanwhite

Monroe, Louisiana USA

Post Number: 129
Registered: Nov-10
buy batcap ...they are the best
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 156
Registered: Aug-10
^^^cant believe you even mentioned a batcap.

batcaps/capcells, and anything like that does nothing but suck power.

sears diehard platinums are great batteries though. I have 2 in my trunk with a stock alt and they do great with a 3000 watt amp. reasonable prices too.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15754
Registered: Jun-04
sears diehard platinums = odessey batteries
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 157
Registered: Aug-10
sears is quite a bit cheaper though. but then again, im pretty sure yellowtops are even cheaper than the diehard platinums
 

Silver Member
Username: Sleste8

Shelbyville, MI United States

Post Number: 377
Registered: Mar-10
i just picked one up myself. $189.00, and they waved the core charge. so that wasn't bad.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15765
Registered: Jun-04
did you get the platnium from sears for 189
 

Silver Member
Username: Sleste8

Shelbyville, MI United States

Post Number: 379
Registered: Mar-10
^yeah, 34/78DT P4. seems to be a pretty good battery so far, resting voltage is just under 13 volts.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15772
Registered: Jun-04
good choice
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15790
Registered: Jun-04
I have 3 new kinetik 1800's and one used one im trying to decide what to do with
 

Silver Member
Username: Canaanwhite

Monroe, Louisiana USA

Post Number: 215
Registered: Nov-10
You can get some Marine Batteries at Wal-Mart for under $100 they are really nice for car audio systems and hold a good reserve...plus they are designed to take discharge and recharge to full capacity unlike conventional car batteries.....
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15834
Registered: Jun-04
sears platniums are better batteries
 

Silver Member
Username: Canaanwhite

Monroe, Louisiana USA

Post Number: 248
Registered: Nov-10
Wal Mart gives better warranties and their batteries rate up as some of the best automotive batteries made
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 198
Registered: Aug-10
ive been looking for a cheap battery i could use till the summer when ill have the money to buy a kinetik or XS. wally world doesnt have them on their website though.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15949
Registered: Jun-04
walmart batteries dont even come close to the rebadged odyesseys that sears has in the platnium batteries
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 206
Registered: Aug-10
ohh okay. my diehards have been on their last leg for a week or so now so i need to upgrade soon. optima yellowtops are cheaper than diehard platinums though so what about that?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15962
Registered: Jun-04
yellow tops are inferior to them
 

Silver Member
Username: Mystre

Pemberville, Ohio USA

Post Number: 614
Registered: Sep-05
You said it, cheaper. I say go with the Sears, I have one.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15964
Registered: Jun-04
i promise you wont be sorry if you buy one from sears
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 210
Registered: Aug-10
haha yeah i know man i used to have 2 in my trunk up till the other day. would i be sorry if i went with anything cheaper? or is sears overall the best value for sure
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15968
Registered: Jun-04
sears overall the best value for sure

this
 

Silver Member
Username: Nevertoomuchbass

2 Fi Q 12s, Mmats 3000.1

Post Number: 212
Registered: Aug-10
alrighty well once i get some bank looks like ill be makin a trip out to sears for another couple diehard platinums
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ

Post Number: 15970
Registered: Jun-04
good choice
 

Silver Member
Username: Canaanwhite

Monroe, Louisiana USA

Post Number: 258
Registered: Nov-10
I'll stick with Wal-Mart batteries
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