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New member Username: Castro215Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-10 | Ive came up with a question that kinda made me think so i decided to post a thread. Which do you think is better 12' Alpine Type R or 12' Kicker CVR and why? |
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Silver Member Username: JbpittPittsburgh, Pa. Usa Post Number: 476 Registered: Jul-09 | Type r gets my vote. Just a better all around sub period! |
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Silver Member Username: M_kimmel843Post Number: 120 Registered: Apr-10 | X2 |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 16433 Registered: Jul-05 | no competition : TYPE R - louder & sounds smoother too .... |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 418 Registered: Mar-09 | they have subwoofers in trnidad and tobago? |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 417 Registered: May-09 | R u serious? There's subs all over the world. It's not like the U.S. is runnin a monoply on subwoofers and my vote goes to the type r. For the same reasons stated |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 16437 Registered: Jul-05 | dude T&T is not a place on mars - we have a dealer for almost every single car audio brand ... |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 251 Registered: Nov-08 | Type-R, hands down. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 388 Registered: Apr-04 | Type-R all the way, kicker blows monkey balls. i did 150+ on a pair of type r's |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 420 Registered: Mar-09 | 15s or 12's? and was it on a tl |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 8110 Registered: Mar-04 | depends. How much power do you have to use? What type of sound are you looking for? |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 253 Registered: Nov-08 | IMO, regardless of the answers to those questions, there isn't any upside to choosing CVR's over TypeR's. |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 349 Registered: Feb-10 | i dont see a pair of type r's doing over 150 on a tl. they get loud, but not even close to being that loud, and they really cant handle more than 6-700 watts each. if i see a video ill believe it. |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 422 Registered: Mar-09 | yea... same here... ON A TERMALB 150?? get real please.. |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 423 Registered: Mar-09 | btw congrats on buying that xcon 18 cwruck! have fun lol. i heard a 18 fi bl on 1200 watts in a 10.0 cu ft box and 18s are just SICK, to much bass for me lol |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 350 Registered: Feb-10 | thanks man, i actually decided to use it in my house. its pretty cool watching vids on youtube of people that have systems and knowing when im watching it on my computer with my home stereo using the 18 the bass is louder in my house than that persons car. u know what i mean? lol |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 427 Registered: Mar-09 | ROFL, dawwwwggggg dang thats gonna be sweet for partys rofl, ur gonna piss the neibors off |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 352 Registered: Feb-10 | ya i already had 2 subs 1 12 with 250 watt rms bash amp 1000 watt peak and a 15" sub with 250 watt rms bash amp and 1000 watt peak and it was cool for parties, have some distance between the neighbors so i could kinda crank it. but wow the old set up can't even compare to the 18. box is tuned to 33 hz but i get crazy good response down to 14 hz. haha to all those fools with an svs pb ultra that think they are loud and low. its basically like an earthquake in my house. can get my 100 lb recliner to move, and the glass on my coffee table bounces like 2 inches off the wood lol |
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Gold Member Username: DuckaShelby Twp., MI United States Post Number: 1455 Registered: Jan-08 |
They can handle 800wrms () daily. I currently have 2 type r's on a sundown saz2000d which is underrated and they take it just fine. I dont have the amp turned all the way up to where it could be, but it is close. I bet you could give a single type r 2000+ wrms on a burp and it would handle it for a while. I think that with the proper install a pair of type-r's could definitely do 150db. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14499 Registered: Jun-04 | type r gets my vote as well |
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New member Username: Coupedeville23Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-10 | I work at a car audio shop, and have had plenty of opportunity to demo both. I'm a little biased, as I've always been loyal to Alpine, but I was still impressed with the CVRs. Kicker as a brand does not get my vote, as Alpine has proven to be much more reliable, but I would still give the CVRs a vote for decent SQ. As for total output and SPL, the Type R blows the CVR away, no question. Kicker is known for loud sloppy subs (L7,Solarbarics)and if you value quality in your tones, don't buy them. At the same time, I would rather have a Type X, as the SQ from the R doesn't impress me much, and never seems to sound good in a sealed box. Still wins this contest though. |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 438 Registered: Mar-09 | yea... type r for the money SAVE! type x for the sq and money LOSS! |
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Silver Member Username: LoudblazerEl reno, Ok Post Number: 293 Registered: Apr-07 | Would a Hifonics HFi100.2 amp bridged at 4 ohm 400 watts with a 12 type r dual 4 ohm be ok? I found the amp for $80 and im not looking to spend a lot. Found the sub for $100. Thats about exactly how much i wanna spend. I know it wont be really loud i just want some nice bass. Thanks! |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14504 Registered: Jun-04 | that combo would work fine |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14505 Registered: Jun-04 | wait im not sure about that model amp |
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Silver Member Username: LoudblazerEl reno, Ok Post Number: 294 Registered: Apr-07 | I couldnt find any reviews on it. I used to have a hifonics 250 watt son of thor and it was great. Nobody believed that it was only 250 watts. I figued if its just as good or even a little worse than the one i had i would be happy with it for getting it for $80. |
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Silver Member Username: M_kimmel843Post Number: 145 Registered: Apr-10 | It wouldn't work fine because you can't get a dual 4 ohm woofer to a 4 ohm load. You would need to get the dual 2 ohm model and wire it in series, that would give you the 4 ohm load your looking for. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 389 Registered: Apr-04 | To all the haters that dont believe type r's can do over 150 on the TL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucOTZLsSBmU |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 424 Registered: May-09 | Ha he showed u guys. Disproved that 6-700 rms theory to lol. Also y would u guys try to talk chit before askin any questions about the setup. he didn't mention it was on 7k in a hatchback but everyone just had to jump to hating on his statement before knowin wats up |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 390 Registered: Apr-04 | thank you zack. daily i used to run 3k to the pair. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 391 Registered: Apr-04 | the thing is. if the subs get clean power, no distortion then they will last a lot longer even with double the recomendded power. |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 362 Registered: Feb-10 | i would love to see somebody push 3000 watts to a pair of 2 12 in type r's, i just dont see them lasting long at all.. sorry the vid is cool i can see it being possible, i just see it much harder to do with those woofers compared to a different pair of woofers you know? im sure even if you burp them enough at that power they will go out soon. ive had type r's and gave them clean power and when you cranked them they started to smell, and that was with clean power and no clipping you can power them with 3000 watt rms amps, but if your keeping the volume low your not even getting close to the power the amp can do but overall it was an impressive vid |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 363 Registered: Feb-10 | and theres always going to be distortion no matter what, no amp is distortion free and you will have to spend crazy amounts of money on an amplifier to have a low distortion rate but theres still going to be alot of distortion especially with bass. and then the woofers themselves, they are great subwoofers but not made to take that amount of power, with 3000 watts they are going to have mechanical issues very quickly |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 267 Registered: Nov-08 | "you will have to spend crazy amounts of money on an amplifier to have a low distortion rate" Not necessarily... http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_22381_Pioneer+GM-D7500M.html $119 for 0.03% THD @ RMS Output |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 364 Registered: Feb-10 | now show me real numbers with that amplifier, please show me a graph to where that holds true and the amount of power it puts out. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 392 Registered: Apr-04 | cwruck you must also take into account the box and how well the subs are vented. also what frequency its being played at, 55+ hz wont hurt the subs, its when u play them at 45hz is when they start hurting. in a small civic 3k daily without blowing them up is very achivable. now if u were to change to say an suv they will cook in no time. the more vehicle airspace the harder the subs will work. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 393 Registered: Apr-04 | now back on topic. the kicker cvr is more compareable to the alpine type S. |
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Silver Member Username: CwruckPost Number: 365 Registered: Feb-10 | yes but what music do you listen to that doesnt drop below 45 hz? and what is the volume of the headunit? im sure you are nooo where near max amp draw, meaning wayyy less than 3000 watts. not really a daily driving system i did say the vid hitting 150 dbs is quite impressive for 2 type r's. must have dedicated alot of time to the vehicle and lots and lots of testing but you guys keep trying to make it seem like type r's are unbelievably amazing speakers and they are not, they can not handle 1500 watts a piece, i see them having a hard time with 7-800 true watts for exteneded periods of time, im sure they will start to get warm and smell after a few minutes of cranking, with clean power, little distortion, and no clipping. and the other dude trying to show me the pioneer really has no idea what he is talking about. sorry your trying to make me look like a fool, and it was a pretty bad attempt now if you can prove me wrong i am all for it, i really am |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 394 Registered: Apr-04 | im not saying they are the best, but for the price u cant beat it. my treo tsx's that are rated for 400 rms took 3k all year long beaten every day without smelling or getting warm. the alpines do get warm and will eventually blow up, for burps u cant got wrong with them, they take one hell of a beating. they do however take 1000rms each without stinking or getting warm. taking the rubber peice off the magnets help lots too. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14530 Registered: Jun-04 | im amazed the subs can take that much too |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 271 Registered: Nov-08 | "please show me a graph to where that holds true and the amount of power it puts out." No graph needed. Pioneer's specs for that amp (included in that link) have been oficially confirmed to have met "CEA 2006 Specifications" including THD percentage. |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 272 Registered: Nov-08 | "the other dude trying to show me the pioneer really has no idea what he is talking about. sorry your trying to make me look like a fool, and it was a pretty bad attempt" Actually, I wasn't trying to make you look like a fool. You seem to be doing that just fine on your own. LOL Posting a link to an amplifier, and writing "Not necessarily" is not a personal attack man, calm down. I know you're still new, but you need to learn not to take things so personally. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14589 Registered: Jun-04 | fight nice now |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 449 Registered: Mar-09 | wait... is that 2 type r 12's????? doing 150? |
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Silver Member Username: RosrockMichigan Post Number: 450 Registered: Mar-09 | i do not believe it. Show pics of the subs and amp and hole setup in ur trunk. |
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Silver Member Username: JbpittPittsburgh, Pa. Usa Post Number: 522 Registered: Jul-09 | ^ Believe it there jr |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 425 Registered: May-09 | Yea idk wats so hard to believe. 7k in a small hatchback enough said. |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 426 Registered: May-09 | And IMO 2 type rs on 3k is believable if it's done wisely. I had a single cvr 12 on a rd 1000 v1 at 1 ohm. So 1 cvr on 1k. It was in my gfs car for 3 months, not 1 issue and she isn't very conservative with the volume lol so it took a beatin. Showed a kid in my area her system, he was so amazed. He ended buyin the 2 cvrs I had for 180. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14613 Registered: Jun-04 | now you gotta buy the gf new subs haha |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 427 Registered: May-09 | Lol I had a rd sonance dual 2 layin around so I threw that in there and maybe a month later 1 coil died so I ran it on one coil for awhile before it completely chitted out. So now she's rockin my brothers old sub- it's a dub sub that was made by audiobahn back in the day. Seriously the lightest p.o.s. woofer I've ever picked up lol but it's oulasted the rd and makes her happy so I can't complain. |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 274 Registered: Nov-08 | ^LoL (@ Sean) |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 14620 Registered: Jun-04 | hey whatever works |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 395 Registered: Apr-04 | the boss, first off you aint a boss. second i dont give a sh*t if you believe me or not i dont have to prove to you nothing. and third the video speaks for itsself. |