Pioneer or Rockford Subs??? Help
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New member Username: Asseff_11Nova Scotia Canada Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-08 | Hey just wondering if i should buy 2 10" rockford subs in a box with a rockford amp or 2 12" pioneer 1000w sub in a box with a bazooka amp or 2 10" Alpines Type S with a 1200w Amp or 2 10" MTX subs in a box and a MTX 400.1 amp those are most of my options, i will be buying these used, ive heard of some of those brand names, but dont know what ones are the best and i need to know if the amps are good enough with the subs? |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1215 Registered: Mar-07 | whats your budget we can get you a much better setup |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Nova Scotia Canada Post Number: 2 Registered: Sep-08 | or 2 12" Volfenhag subs 1000w each with Clarion "Pro Audio" apx640.2 amp (little expensive for me) im looking for sound quality and overall performance |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Nova Scotia Canada Post Number: 3 Registered: Sep-08 | im looking to spend about $500 or less |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 402 Registered: Jan-08 | Is that $500 for just subs and an amp? Are you able to build your own box if you had a design? I recommend Alpine type-r's. They are great subs for the price... and they wil definitely out perform all of the other subs you listed. http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14954 http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19580 ^And this amp is relatively inexpensive and yet pretty good Then if you want to build your own box I suggest you use this website if you dont have much experience with designing. http://www.reaudio.com/speaker_box/LPort_Box_Calc.html For a good box for 2 alpine type-r's I suggest somewhere around 4 cuft and tune of 35-37hz |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 4 Registered: Sep-08 | ya im want to spend less than $500 for subs and amp, the alpines that i can buy used from a guy i know come with a box, what other brands of amps would you recomend power 2 alpine type-r's i can get a good deal on a 800w sony explode amp would that be good? |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 6497 Registered: Feb-06 | sony sucks. honestly you may want to spend a bit more, especially since you live in canada and unless you have some good shops around you you'll probably be paying more for stuff shipped from the us. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 403 Registered: Jan-08 | I personally have no experience with sony explodes, but from what Ive heard here they are garbage. So no I would not recommend getting that amp. get type-r's... not the type-s' If you dont want to build a box go to a audio shop(Not best buy or circuit city or anything like that) and get a sealed box. Then just get the amp from the link I sent you... its not that expensive and it will provide the subs with enough power. those setups that you were talking about getting for around $500 at the beginning of the thread are not worth that much. I suggest using www.onlinecarstereo.com to buy your stuff or to check prices to make sure you dont get ripped off. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 404 Registered: Jan-08 | ooops didnt realize you were in Canada... |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 5 Registered: Sep-08 | ya, i wasnt quite sure about sony.. so would would be the best amp to buy around $200 to power the 2 alpines? |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 6 Registered: Sep-08 | ya im pretty sure most of the US audio websites dont deliver to canada, so maybe if anyone could give me a good brand name or model of an amp for the alpine type r's i could fine that amp in canada |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 7 Registered: Sep-08 |  |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 6499 Registered: Feb-06 | for $200 i highly doubt you'll get an amp shipped to canada that'll properly power a pair of type rs'. have you considered just running a single sub? |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 405 Registered: Jan-08 | yeah thats the one... also going along with mike. Even just one of those subs would out beat the other ones you were thinking about getting. So still not a bad choice. Or you could get the 15" one(that would bang) |
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Silver Member Username: Evildoughboy08Toledo, OH US and A Post Number: 161 Registered: Jun-08 | thats what i was gonna say.. just go for the 15" type R. http://www.sonicelectronix.com/viewcat.php?show_thumbnails=1&show_description=1& id=23&car_only=&page=1&manufacturer=22&new_page=1 the two from the bottom (not the $300 one) would push a 15" type R beautifully. and they're very inexpensive, considering your wattage. |
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Silver Member Username: Purplehase_bongBC Canada Post Number: 299 Registered: Apr-04 | I used to own two 10" type r's and they bang.! very loud. I deff would go with a pair of type r's over the rest. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 407 Registered: Jan-08 | Idk do those kenwoods bench how they are rated? That being said the hifonics dont really bench how their rated, although I have never had a problem with a maxsonix product and they seem to push close tho the wattage they advertise. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1219 Registered: Aug-07 | kenwood amps are known for blowing. i think they do rated power but build quality is suspect. to OP, i have 2 12" pioneers. they are pretty loud and have OK sound quality. hit the highs better than the lows. if your looking for budget, then they are pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcUVK1ya3Wg theres 2 pioneer 12s on 500rms. Box is 4cubes @ 35Hz |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 8 Registered: Sep-08 | ok soo..what would be better two Alpine Type R 10 inch subs or one 15" Alpine Type R sub with a Kenwood KAC-9104D 1800W Max, Class D Monoblock Amplifier   |
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New member Username: Asseff_11Canada Post Number: 9 Registered: Sep-08 | ok so if not a kenwood amp for either of those two systems what one? |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 412 Registered: Jan-08 | you could get the 15"r 2ohmDVC and the hifonics bxi1208d... Wire it to 1 ohm for around 1000rms(probably not quite that much) The sub will be able to handle it no problem. http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp?Q=1&I=22 http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14957 http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19580 I have that amp and I like it...should sound good for you too. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 2 Registered: Sep-08 | Wow dude just buy a Blaupunkt vw1200 or Power Acoustik MOFO and some cheap 1ohm stable amp like crunch pzi 1000.1 U will pay 350-400 with box probably and have like 1000rms Screew those sh1ty alpines 500rms OOOOOORRRRRRR you can buy Audiobahn AWIS12P and set it up at 1/2 ohm and with MA Audio HK401SX 1800W RMS at 1/2 ohm, High Current Monoblock Amplifier u gona get the most efficient set up possible. the ma amp can be bough from ebay for like 200 bucks |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin Post Number: 2664 Registered: Mar-07 | ^^^  |
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Gold Member Username: Tatonka-[Team Audible Insanity]- Post Number: 2232 Registered: Mar-07 |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan1315 Mag USA Post Number: 10310 Registered: Jul-06 | Lmao. |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 18196 Registered: Jun-06 | There's a reason why there's an "X" on anything called Xplod. |
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Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamicSan Diego, California Post Number: 4524 Registered: Dec-06 |  guys The MOFO is actually a not bad sub for the money and it has some good design ideas on it. The patented rib insert/heatsink is one. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the majors bought that technology from them at some point in the future. At least PA is trying to step it up a little bit -- I sure wish Sony would do the same. If Sony saw some reason to get serious in car audio, they could make a subwoofer that could kill peeps. They could also make the best car amps and decks in the world. Don't forget that Sony has more great designers, prototyping facilities, and cash to back projects than all of the sub companies on E combined. But.......... this kid obviously finds himself running with a group of audio retards that are on a really bad path when it comes to brands. |
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Silver Member Username: CozcePost Number: 240 Registered: Mar-08 | People like Ivan Kostov is the reason why I don't talk when I have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. Go with the Type-R 15in or 2 10's. You could prolly push the 15 better, but that would be your choice. x2 what Brad said. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 432 Registered: Jan-08 | I'll bet money that Ivan Kostov was being sarcastic. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 3 Registered: Sep-08 | Dude u are funny do u have any clue how much a sad alpine type R is u better off buy pioneer the one 3000 peak 1000rms. Im not being sarcastic u are all sad jokes who have no clue what they are talking about. have u ever heard the difference between 500 rms and like 1400rm running. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 4 Registered: Sep-08 | And 1 more thing from expirience the Pioneer Premier TS-W3001D2 can perfectly handle 1400rms even 1500rms. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 433 Registered: Jan-08 | Wow I didnt know that people who know what they are talking about would ever in their entire life suggest getting an MA audio product. Guess thats why I gave you the benifit of the doubt and thought you were being sarcastic. Since you claim you were'nt being sarcastic I'll have to say that you have no idea what you are talking about and that I am done reading anything else that you post. ps its bass not base. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 434 Registered: Jan-08 | One more thing, the type-r can handle way over its rating. I've heard of them wired with a true 1000rms(for the 12 or 10"). We told him to get the 15" which can handle well over 750rms. Those pioneers arent bad, but thats not what you said in your first post. Anyway A 15"-r would be louder than a 12" pioneer with the same amount of power. |
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New member Username: HustleflowPost Number: 4 Registered: Sep-08 | well thanks, mostly to kevin, mike, delight, and brad, im goin to get the 2 10's type R and the hifonics 1208D amp anyone got any good digrams to show how to hook the two subs to the amp, and suggest a good brand of wire?.. dont kno much about it. |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1582 Registered: Jun-07 | good choice on the equipment!  and ivan have you heard a real system yet? you are not to far from me come to the ecoustics meet on 10/18 in york pa and you will hear from 500 to 7000w systems if you dont know who i am just ask the guys. |
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New member Username: HustleflowPost Number: 5 Registered: Sep-08 | haha i live in canada, but thanks |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1583 Registered: Jun-07 | sorry the second half after the smiley was directed to ivan |
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New member Username: HustleflowPost Number: 7 Registered: Sep-08 | ohhhh when you wrote ivan i thought you miss spelled a word lol |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 5 Registered: Sep-08 | LOlz have i ever heard a nice system you joke.I had Pioneer Premier TS-W5102SPL with a custom box. Cops around here know me pretty well.And im selling sound systems pretty often. I have sold 3 systems with the MA Audio HK401SX and tell u what never had any issues and that amp is very efficient too 0.5 ohm stable for the price u can get it on ebay that's probably the best amp out there. Scott is any of the systems that u are talking about yours or did u do the set up your self.Or u just talk blah blah. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 6 Registered: Sep-08 | Kevin Duckwitz i did suggest the ma because for 500 bucks for subs and amp dude what are u expecting to get pioneer amp or Rockford Fosgate.won't happen |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1586 Registered: Jun-07 | i have a 500w,700w and 7000w that are my personal right now. fyi i am a competito in many org. currently in iasca idbl stock 1st in the us 3rd in the world in dbdrag st b 7th in us. i am also a iasca judge in all formats including sq sqi sqc and idbl. oh and i do all my own work. |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO / ASU Post Number: 3317 Registered: Jul-05 | bested. Im glad to see you got a solid system Jordan. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 7 Registered: Sep-08 | Finally someone who knows something! So u suggest alpine type R 15inch not a pioneer 3000peak 1000rms? And u think MA Audio HK401SX sucks? I dont know man from experince that I had that ma is just fine.I'm not going to talk about the pioneer it"s a monster it handles a lot more than it says and moves 1 inc for 120$ it's not bad at all |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 436 Registered: Jan-08 |  im pretty sure jake was talking about you being bested.... Anyway, Paul, Make sure you get the 4ohm DVC version of the type-r's, then wire it to One Ohm http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp?Q=2&I=42 Like the first picture. As far as wire get some highstrand 4gauge or 2gauge, You could get 1/0 but you dont really need it with that power level. Ummm you could get it from a guy on here named Paul Larrea. Just make a thread with his name as the subject and ask him what kind of wire he has. |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1587 Registered: Jun-07 | never said ma sucks but for the money the hifonics is a solid amp. the type r is a better built subs then the pioneer and it sound better. every person and vehicle is different besides 90% is in the build the other 10% is quality of parts |
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Silver Member Username: Dj_007Carlisle, KY US Post Number: 104 Registered: Dec-06 | get a single FI SSD decide your coild config based on the amp you want.. get about 1000 RMS an you will ahve more bass then you want.. https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraudio.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=1548d18f2c92d63/shopdata/0030_SSD/product_overview.shopscript |
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Gold Member Username: Tatonka-[Team Audible Insanity]- Post Number: 2237 Registered: Mar-07 | Lawl @ Ivan. |
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Silver Member Username: CozcePost Number: 245 Registered: Mar-08 | x56 Nick |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 438 Registered: Jan-08 | x57 |
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Gold Member Username: Tatonka-[Team Audible Insanity]- Post Number: 2238 Registered: Mar-07 | The way I see it, on every forum there will always be that one idiot that acts like he knows everything. Like on this Alero forum I am active on. This guy posts some of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. One time he said that there wasn't a "car modification" market until "the fast and the furious" movie haha. And also that no one even thought of modding their cars until that movie. Some people will never learn. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan1315 Mag USA Post Number: 10321 Registered: Jul-06 | I guess you could say Scott knows a thing or two about getting loud lol Your an idiot Ivan. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 440 Registered: Jan-08 | Nick, What is the alero forum? I'd like to join being a alero fan and all. |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1229 Registered: Mar-07 | ^ coming from yanks thats big hes a really nice guy |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 8 Registered: Sep-08 | What ever . go compare 1500rms and 500 rms gl. |
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Silver Member Username: CozcePost Number: 255 Registered: Mar-08 | There's 1000 watts that make them different. Damn that was easy. |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin Post Number: 2669 Registered: Mar-07 |  |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 9 Registered: Sep-08 | Have u ever heard 1000 rms in your pathetic life |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 442 Registered: Jan-08 | "Have u ever heard 1000 rms in your pathetic life" Yup, Every single day as a matter of fact. Whats your point? In what way is my life pathetic? Is it because Im not driving around in a car full of lightning audio products pretending to be Da baddestmufucka around? "the type r is a better built subs then the pioneer and it sounds better." The type-r can handle 1000rms too. Your just digging yourself a bigger and bigger hole. You are wrong, stop giving people bad info, get on with your life. Okay buhbye now. |
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New member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 10 Registered: Sep-08 | Dude you sick alpine can't even be compared to pioneer product u compare sad american stuff with 30 years of reputation with japanese product with 70 years of reputation."the type r is a better built subs then the pioneer and it sounds better." That's just a sad opinion that u make buy looking pictures of the speaker.Why don't u look what the sad sub is made of can't u read stupid spesifications or something.Type R can handle 1000rms that's correct but not 1500rms.Look at the top of the line of alpine subwoofers they can't even be compared with the mid products of pioneer.You are comparing products from a giant company with thousands of employes and a some private small garage sale. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 445 Registered: Jan-08 | You type like a 12 year old, you're an idiot, and I'm done arguing with you. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1238 Registered: Aug-07 | i cant really see most of the posts cuz of the D@MN ad, but i hope ivan isnt saying that pioneer>alpine... maybe the only thing that pioneer has over alpine are the new PRS comps. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 11 Registered: Sep-08 | Lmao im done u need to get lifes.U just talk sh!t.After years when u meet some one with 1 pioneer spl u will be like omg was that a godzila. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 12 Registered: Sep-08 | Dude kevin how do 2 alpines r sound on a 500rms crunch amp?I'm wondering |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 446 Registered: Jan-08 | That about sums it up. Get ready for him to tell you that you are sad. |
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Silver Member Username: Dj_007Carlisle, KY US Post Number: 106 Registered: Dec-06 | im not saying the pioneer SPL subs arent good subs.. i know a couple of people that have them.. but the alpine type R.. i know people that take 1 12 and can do 150s.. lol not for long but they do it.. lol.. and they do sound good.. both are a good product but i have to say i would take the type R over the pioneer |
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New member Username: HustleflowPost Number: 8 Registered: Sep-08 | i wish the ad would eff off cant read anything lol, im goin with kevin on this one. pioneer may be a bigger name doesnt mean its better quality tho |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1597 Registered: Jun-07 | i have seen guys with pioneer spl setups and beat them so whats your point. i told you it 90% install. i can put up the same numbers with just about any sub |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 448 Registered: Jan-08 | Can this thread die now? The people who asked for help have been helped and or left the thread. |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1598 Registered: Jun-07 | true^^^^^^ |
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Silver Member Username: CozcePost Number: 260 Registered: Mar-08 | Ivan's retarded. Alpine>Pioneer. Get the Type-R. /thread. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 1256 Registered: May-07 | LMAO at this thread... One good thing about"Hurricane IKE" Is that I didn't get sucked into this argument... Alpine> Pioneer MA blows Ivan... welcome to eCoustics NOW LEAVE!!! lol j/k We usually try not to recommend brands that have such a poor track record(such as MA Audio). There are much better "budget amps" than MA Audio.. JMHO BTW... You are the 1st person that I have EVER heard say that MA Amps are "efficient".. one more thing.... Peak power ratings don't mean SH!T! |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 18221 Registered: Jun-06 | Amen. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 451 Registered: Jan-08 | God Bless America! |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 13 Registered: Sep-08 | Lol mark u are another stupid kid who doesn't even what i'm talking about. I was talking asbout MA Audio HK401SX .It produces 1800rms at 1/2 ohms and has consumption of about 100amps now if that's not efficient u go shoot your self.I never talk about peak power only continues power or the rms.Gl all of you listen to the alpines and thing u have music.Pioneeer spl is = to probably 4-5 alpine type r 15in I Dont even know if they can push about 175 decibels probably no |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 452 Registered: Jan-08 | uggg why wont you just go away? The install has more to do with how loud a sub will get than the sub itself. The pioneer spl sub is strictly an spl sub woofer. The Alpine type-r is an sql sub. They're not even playing the same game. What the H3LL are you trying to prove?! You are just talking out you're a*s because you don't know what you're talking about and you don't know when to stop. Every person who has seen this thread thinks that you're an idiot. The MA amp probably doesn't produce 1800 true watts rms, and at 1/2 an ohm you're probably taking a risk of it exploding(exaggeration). Now just drop it. /thread |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 14 Registered: Sep-08 | I'm done okay dude it's exaggeration. The ma on volt meter produces about 60volts at 1/2ohms imprediance. And that spl and sql pretty much depends on the box u use. 60 volts is about 1950rms.And this is my last post because u guys just give opinions with out having any real experience or anything you just look how the sub look.See how stupid u are pioneer spl is spl subwoofer why because it;s called spl? wth?Are u retarded or someshit. |
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Silver Member Username: CozcePost Number: 267 Registered: Mar-08 | "See how stupid u are pioneer spl is spl subwoofer why because it;s called spl? wth?Are u retarded or someshit." How dumb are you? Seriously? Do what steve aka staven said after that post. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 454 Registered: Jan-08 | ^x2 Ivan isn't dumb, he's just special. "this is my last post" Well thank God thats over. now for real this time... /thread |
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Silver Member Username: Evildoughboy08Toledo, OH US and A Post Number: 163 Registered: Jun-08 | ok, i just took my time to read this whole thread. and im nowhere near the smartest person on this site. and ivan;1) i believe that the MA audio amp is very good for what you paid at your local food produce market for it.2)why do you keep naming off all of these horrendous brands? its like.. litterally.. the king of queens?idk how else to put it. most people get chewed out for mentioning a kicker L7, but you just sound like an idiot.sorry i had to start this post up again everyone =\ |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 460 Registered: Jan-08 | okay you take over. Im fu(kin done with that @ss. |
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Silver Member Username: Evildoughboy08Toledo, OH US and A Post Number: 164 Registered: Jun-08 | no i dont thik he'll say anything else |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton/Hancock while..., MI United States Post Number: 463 Registered: Jan-08 | all the better |
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