Redesigning my box

 

Silver Member
Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 396
Registered: Jan-08
Hey guys,

I was thinking about redesigning my box to gain a little more SPL. The box That I currently have is 37Wx16.5Hx19D. That box is tuned to about 35hz with a 5x15" slot port.

The box I was thinking about building would be the same dimensions only tuned to 37hz with 3 4" aero ports.

Keep in mind im not looking to make huge SPL gains with the new design, just enough to make it worth my time to build. My system as it is right now is almost as loud as I want it to be... I am trying to get louder without buying new subs and an amp.

Oh yeah. My subs are Alpine type-R 12s wih the Hifonics bxi1208D.

Let me know if you think the new design will be worth my time to build. Or if you have other suggestions on how to get a little bit louder I am open to ideas.
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2219
Registered: Mar-07
Nice idea, Kevin. That is kinda like what I have in my Alero. But I'm tuned alot higher, and my box is alot smaller lol.

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Silver Member
Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 398
Registered: Jan-08
Are you straight SPL then? I want a nice loud daily driver for playing almost entirely rap.

Thanks for the kudos Nick lol
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2220
Registered: Mar-07
"Are you straight SPL then?"

Kind of. I plug one of the ports with a towel for daily and it drops the tuning a little bit. Sounds great for being what it is lol.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 400
Registered: Jan-08
Nick-Is that a 12 or a 15? and what kinda numbers are you getting with it?
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2222
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Its a 15.
Right now, about 151.x
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 401
Registered: Jan-08
Very nice! I dont know much about the numbers of car audio, but that seems really good for 1 sub in a car.

Anyway do you think I would see a gain with that new box design?
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2224
Registered: Mar-07
There will be a gain in SPL. And you will have more strength on your higher notes. It is worth a try. If you like it, great. If you don't, at least you still have another box that you can go back to.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 411
Registered: Jan-08
Hey Nick,

Do you know what the Alero peaks at? Since I know you have one too.
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2226
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There is actually alot of factors when it comes to the peak fequency. So far, my car has been loudest at 53hz. But your peak frequency will depend on even the smallest things, like the weather.
 

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Username: Philly306

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Post Number: 1297
Registered: Apr-07
So if its raining now with a 30% chance of scattered thunderstorms tonight what will my peak frequency be?




:D
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 413
Registered: Jan-08
HAHA good one phil.

Thanks Nick, I just wanted the usual peak frequency. Thats really high. Unfortunately for me I like lows.

Do you know if the peak frequency gets lower or higher if the windows are down?(I normally like to drive with the windows down)
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10484
Registered: Jun-04
Kevin go with two 4 inch aeros.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 416
Registered: Jan-08
Im not really to sure what you're trying to say, but I cant just use 2 4" aeros, I wont have enough port area(I used a calc to check it). Im not sure what you mean about the saving the aero ports... I dont have aero ports right now if thats what you mean, I have a slotted box.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10485
Registered: Jun-04
Youll have enough port area.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 418
Registered: Jan-08
So 2 4" Aeros still tuned to 37hz?

 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10486
Registered: Jun-04
Yeah 37 hz.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 419
Registered: Jan-08
thanks sean, Im gunna send you a PM in a second.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10487
Registered: Jun-04
ok
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 420
Registered: Jan-08
did you get it?
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10488
Registered: Jun-04
No

 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

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Registered: Jan-08
no problem
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

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Thanks
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

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Registered: Jan-08
did you get my pm?
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10490
Registered: Jun-04
No
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10491
Registered: Jun-04
Do you have aol instant messenger?
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 425
Registered: Jan-08
yeah, I sent you a second pm, but my SN is lilducka hit me up.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10492
Registered: Jun-04
Kevin I just realized we never factored in your ports displacement on the old box. If your box was 37Wx16.5Hx19D external measurements your box was 5.39 cubic feet gross.

5.39 cf gross
minus 1.59 for the port if it was 29 inches long
3.80 cubic feet
minus aprox .20 for the subs
3.60 cubic feet net

So to make the box with about the same airspace and a port length of 12 inches each with two 4 inch aeros and a 37 hz tune make the box 3.93 cubic foot gross and drop the subs and ports in.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 426
Registered: Jan-08
So your saying to make this box slightly smaller? Why dont I want to leave it the same size? Also I thought you said 7.75"long aeros? Where did 12 come from?

Also the subs are .071cuft so minus .142cuft for the subs.

If you see this and im online just send me an IM
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

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I saw you post. If your still online go to aol instant messenger.
 

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Username: Ducka

Shelby Township, MI United States

Post Number: 439
Registered: Jan-08
Sean,

Where have you been man?
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

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I see you posted ill get on instant messenger.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

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Registered: Jun-04
ok make a box 4.14 cubic feet gross with two four inch aero ports 11 inches long each for a 37 hz port tune and drop the subs in. Make the box 35.00 wide x 15.5 high x 16.75 deep (external measurements) and that will give you the airspace you need and enough port clearance from the back wall.
 

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Username: Rovin

1 15 = 149.5 DBsTrinidad & T...

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Registered: Jul-05
simplest thing u can try is to trim 2" off the port in ur current box & see how u like it ...
 

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Username: Ducka

Houghton/Hancock while..., MI United States

Post Number: 453
Registered: Jan-08
yeah but i wanna have that one intact in case i don't like it. Also I wanna give aeros a shot.
 

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Username: Tooloudforyou

Post Number: 2
Registered: Aug-08
its going to be harder it get it louder... as you may or may not know it takes 3dbs to recognize a difference for the specs you gave at the top it seems that your box is already well built.. what you can try doing is to 45 all the corners of your box, resin it so it doesnt flex and mayber flare your port. all those things should account for some reasonable gain, but theres no promises and with out a termlab theres no real way of actually telling if you got louder....you could always tune higher also, if your willing to sacrafice the lows....itll hit those higher frequencies a little bit harder....but in my opinion get more power or just keep your same system cuz a new box wouldnt be worth the trouble unless you improve on design and not just redesign to another frequency...hope this helped!!!!
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10510
Registered: Jun-04
"as you may or may not know it takes 3dbs to recognize a difference"

Thats actually not true you can just hear 1 db difference and 2 db very clearly. I know this from having a termlab and other meters in the past.

Hes covered on the new box. Theres more going on than is posted here. I deleted some things from the original posts.
 

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Username: Tooloudforyou

Post Number: 10
Registered: Aug-08
im sure in some cases you can notice 1 db, but not in all situations as i have noticed in the past that 1 db difference really doesnt make to much of a difference especially in higher decibel level car audio system, from 145 to 146 in my opinion theres no difference audibly, but that was in my vehicle.
Thanks for your input sean.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10511
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No problem.
 

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Username: Ducka

Houghton/Hancock while..., MI United States

Post Number: 455
Registered: Jan-08
Yeah me and Sean got it on lock down. We'll find out the improvements, there should be a comp at my school with a TL in which I will use my current box. Over thanksgiving I will build the new box and then get that metered as soon as I find another comp, but the design we are putting together I am almost positive I will audibly notice a difference.
Thanks for your input 2-Loud.
 

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Username: Tatonka

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Post Number: 2253
Registered: Mar-07
Another Alero for SPL FTW.

Even though cars suck for SPL lol :-(
 

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Username: Ducka

Houghton/Hancock while..., MI United States

Post Number: 459
Registered: Jan-08
Aleros FTMFW!

"Even though cars suck for SPL"
Yeah, but its that much more impressive when you are louder than SUVs.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 10513
Registered: Jun-04
Make the box 36.75 wide x 15.5 high x 16.75 deep (external measurements) 4.35 cf gross with two 4 inch aero ports 11 inches long each adding in the other stuff youll be at a 37 hz port tune.
 

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Username: Ducka

Houghton/Hancock while..., MI United States

Post Number: 464
Registered: Jan-08
Alright sounds great Sean. Thanks for all the help. If Im feeling inspired Ill try and draw it up on a 3d program.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

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Registered: Jun-04
I need to chat with you again.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

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Registered: Jun-04
The above is correct now.
 

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Username: Ducka

Houghton/Hancock while..., MI United States

Post Number: 465
Registered: Jan-08
Alright if you need to talk with me still im usually on aim everyday
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