Looking for a new 15....experienced users help!
|
Gold Member Username: StnorrisRE SX 15, IA US Post Number: 2241 Registered: Apr-06 | Im looking for a new 15 to put on my massive p1500. I currently have an Fi Bl and unless something is wrong with it, i really dont like this sub. I used to have an Sx 15 (got stolen) and i think it is noticeably better than the BL sq wise and is just as loud. The Bl cant do a lot of things ...lol... So im looking for a Dual 2 ohm 15 that is sql. The box preferably will be 3 cuft @ 37hz and 54sq. in. port. cause it is already built....I think the sx (again hah) would be great in this box because i did a 144.2 in 3 cuft before with it but shitty box....... I wasnt sure if i want a bigger amp to go for a bigger setup all around but its just this sub... This setup is on a 200a alt, kinetik, pioneer deh 7800p, and pg components........ thanks for any help  |
|
Gold Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 1946 Registered: Sep-07 | give a dd 3515 a listen |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2288 Registered: Nov-06 | I think I'll save this to a text file then throw it on the clip board every time I come on Ecoustics: I think you are putting too much weight on the woofer. If your BL, which isn't supposed to be a bad sounding sub, isn't up to your standards, maybe it's actually the enclosure that isn't performing. I think getting a new sub and putting it in this enclosure would be the wrong way to go about rectifying. Before you spend a few hundred on a new driver, try a new enclosure. Everyone knows this is coming but I'd email Pete Kulicki and get a design from him. http://www.hexibase.com/ I found that it took my bass from pretty d@mn loud and fairly pleasing SQ wise to ridiculously loud (IMO. It gets my door flapping at least a half-inch so it's definitely not quiet. Pair of budget 12s and 900W) and as transparent as I've ever heard bass. That's until I crank it up at least. Then I get a whole bunch of rattles. |
|
Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6976 Registered: Jul-06 | RE XXX if you can find one |
|
Gold Member Username: LoudonPost Number: 2348 Registered: Jun-04 | rd alpha |
|
Gold Member Username: LoudonPost Number: 2349 Registered: Jun-04 | revolution design alpha 15 ... for the motha facking win  |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2291 Registered: Nov-06 | I just realized we can edit our posts right from the actual post now; cool! Sad thing is that almost every other forum has that and has had it since I've been using the internet. Anyway, no one else thinks it might be his box? |
|
Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois United States Post Number: 1302 Registered: May-07 | I think 37hz would be a lil sloppy myself, but I haven't heard a bl or an sx, or his setup for that fact. My last 2 subs @ 35hz is driving me a little crazy at times. |
|
Platinum Member Username: Chaunb3400All he does is catch t..., Alabama U.S. Post Number: 14116 Registered: Jul-05 | Alpha |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4817 Registered: Nov-05 | if your really liked your SX that much get another one since you know what to expect.. i sold mine and then bought them back.. great subs ill have to agree with the XXX tho.. if you can find one try running that.. almost as loud as an SX but amazing SQ.. with more power they should get as loud as an SX if not a little louder |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2303 Registered: Nov-06 | So we have all completely ruled out the possibility that it is actually his box that he is unhappy with??? |
|
Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois United States Post Number: 1304 Registered: May-07 | I vote new box. A box is about $35 for material, and is cheaper than a new sub. |
|
Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6980 Registered: Jul-06 | Yeah for the XXX you would have to build a new box cause that one's tuned way too high |
|
Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 7512 Registered: Jul-06 | Steven has built a couple boxes as far as I know. I'm sure if it was a huge issue with the box he would have thought of that by now. |
|
Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 1222 Registered: Apr-07 | I agree with you cam. My brothers 12" BL absolutely slams. I know a guy with 18" BLs, and they're amazing too. I would definitely try a different enclosure before paying 10 times what it would cost for materials on a new sub. I think I have a pretty good enclosure, but when I see people put up better numbers and have different results in the same vehicle it just shows there is always room for improvement, and such is probably true in this case. |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8645 Registered: Jun-04 | Id say give pete from team toxic bass a try on the enclosure what do have to loose except a little cash....but what might you gain...Im considering giving him a shot with one of my subs (maybe my resonant engineering re 12)...and then build a box of my own for it and compare |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8646 Registered: Jun-04 | ps...its not just box its acoustics also and I know pete factors this in as well |
|
Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 7514 Registered: Jul-06 | I heard Pete from TTB charges around $50 for a box design, is that right? Is it more? |
|
Gold Member Username: HdubbTeam Revolution Post Number: 3494 Registered: Nov-04 | how much are you looking to spend? what kind or vehicle? so you are basically looking for a pretty loud sub with good sq? the sx is actually louder then the 05 xxx but doesn't hang with the lowend frequencies of the 05 xxx and the xxx sounds pretty good. though I've never dealt with the bl so I can't really compare it. the 3515 honestly doesn't have any lowend either imo some may argue that lol. I think maybe a si mag may be a very good choice for you. the alpha is also another good choice. it can take 1k-2k all day.they sound great and can get loud. id say mag or alpha or another sx like kevin said |
|
Gold Member Username: HdubbTeam Revolution Post Number: 3495 Registered: Nov-04 | btw my xxx 15 slammed in a 6cubes tuned to 27 hz it was louder to the ear then to thed mic. but sweet jesus I loved it. |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8648 Registered: Jun-04 | Rob..."I heard Pete from TTB charges around $50 for a box design, is that right? Is it more?" Its either 50 or 60 I cant remember |
|
Gold Member Username: Nyyfan1315 MAG USA Post Number: 9014 Registered: Jul-06 | I wouldnt recomend the mag cause the tuning on his box is way too high for the mag and i wouldnt suggest putting 1500rms on it either. The sx and the alpha seem to be your best options. |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4822 Registered: Nov-05 | XXX will play fine in his box but heh.. |
|
Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 4313 Registered: Jan-06 | I had a couple os SX's, great subs. One of them I sold one of them to a freak in Texas and that one I ran 2400 rms daily on, really liked that sub. Polo.. |
|
Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 5669 Registered: Apr-06 | "Id say give pete from team toxic bass a try on the enclosure what do have to loose except a little cash....but what might you gain." a little cash??? 50 for the design and a lil over 30 maybe 40 for the enclosure so your losing about 90 dollars on building a new enclosure... steve, or for that 15" id go 4 cubes tuned to 34 hz with around 75 sq inches of port. the BL doesnt have GREAT sq but it sure as hell doesnt have terrible sq.... |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8649 Registered: Jun-04 | "a little cash???" smart alic  your telling him to build a new box anyway so that negates that cost you listed...so were back to 50 bucks |
|
Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 5671 Registered: Apr-06 | "your telling him to build a new box anyway so that negates that cost you listed...so were back to 50 to 60 bucks" "a lil over 30 maybe 40 for the enclosure " |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8650 Registered: Jun-04 | bottom line is either way hes building a new enclosure with either your design or petes so how is it any different...except for the 50 dollar design |
|
Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 5673 Registered: Apr-06 | "bottom line is either way hes building a new enclosure with either your design or petes so how is it any different...except for the 50 dollar design" i wouldnt ever design a box for norris....like he'd want one he can do his own |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4823 Registered: Nov-05 | lol @ polo just get yourself another SX and end the confusion.. save up and buy another 15" and test it.. if you like it more sell the SX |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8651 Registered: Jun-04 | "i wouldnt ever design a box for norris....like he'd want one he can do his own" well you know what i meant...splitting hairs sheesh |
|
Gold Member Username: StnorrisRE SX 15, IA US Post Number: 2242 Registered: Apr-06 | Thanks for all the responses.  I think cam may be right on the enclosure. The box was actually designed off of all the previous boxes and testing from my SX...and i think the BL is much different. I like your idea drivin about that 4 cubes 34hz. The sub is probably trying to breathe in this box and some more cubes might help a lot, even if its not spl, but just all around with the range .....and sq. I might want to get another SX though, because i never had a chance to get it into this box. I thought the alpha would be mentioned, but I dont know much about this sub... ........................................ |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2308 Registered: Nov-06 | There is much more than tuning and volume in designing an enclosure. We might as well be Wheeler in comparison to Pete. The man has spent much more time testing and refining formulas and ideas than any of us. He just charges the $50 engineering fee unless it's really complicated, I believe. If you're going to spend the money on the materials and invest the time, I think it's worth it to know that the enclosure will perform extremely well and that it couldn't be too much better without lots and lots of testing. Do it right the first time. |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4825 Registered: Nov-05 | meh, i just build and tune.. im sorry pete may design good enclosures but every vehicles acoustic features are different so if you want the best enclosure for what you have.. its all testing and tuning |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2311 Registered: Nov-06 | Pete takes the vehicle's acoustics into consideration. While the individual vehicle (as in your '97 JGC and not your buddy's '97 JGC) will be slightly different, I can't see it varying enough to make a huge difference in the sound. If you're competing, then you will care about a dB and you will have to build lots of boxes but Pete can still give you a great starting point and eliminate a fair bit of work. You just need to decide how much you value your time. |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4826 Registered: Nov-05 | i'd like to know how he can possibly know every vehicle models acoustic values ... theres just too many |
|
Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 2314 Registered: Nov-06 | He's been doing it for a while. I'm sure he's pulled together a pretty good database or can at least find the information somewhere. |
|
Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 3421 Registered: Sep-06 | Fi BL's over RE SX"s Always Always Always build your box to spec. |
|
Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 5678 Registered: Apr-06 | "well you know what i meant...splitting hairs sheesh" just giving you a hard time =P its all in fun sean.. dont take any of it seriously |
|
Gold Member Username: FrkkevinResonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email Post Number: 4835 Registered: Nov-05 | not sure why people always say BLs over SXs... SXs will be better on the lows and BLs better for higher notes.. all in preference just invert your Fi BL to gain some more box volume and see if it sounds better.. save you the time from building a new box |
|
Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 5680 Registered: Apr-06 | cheapest idea ive heard^^^ try it |
|
Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 7542 Registered: Jul-06 | "i'd like to know how he can possibly know every vehicle models acoustic values ... theres just too many" Lol, I guess you don't know Pete. It's his job Kevin. |
|
Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8652 Registered: Jun-04 | "just giving you a hard time =P its all in fun sean.. dont take any of it seriously" its cool driving |
Main Forums
Today's Posts- Home Audio Forum
- Home Video Forum
- Home Theater Forum
- Car Audio Forum
- Accessories Forum
- All Forum Topics