New setup ideas
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 1 Registered: Jan-08 | I recently blew my subwoofers and now I am looking to upgrade. I have a arsenal JVC headunit and a 1000 watt (max power) Crunch 2 channel amp. I have a slotted box and a sealed box and now I need ideas on what to fill them with. I am thinking about getting 4 kicker comp subs, but I am not sure how to wire those in or if it would even be loud. I just want to get the loudest system for not very much money and not have to buy anything beside 1 to 4 new subwoofers. Any ideas are great. Thanks. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16906 Registered: Oct-05 | what are the specs of your amp? |
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Gold Member Username: Loc_outSanta Ana, Ca Resonant Eng... Post Number: 1579 Registered: Feb-05 | If your amp is 1000max you should go with maybe two sub's. |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 2 Registered: Jan-08 | http://www.cardiscountstereos.com/catalog%20page.asp?Product+%23=PZI2250 This is the exact amp that I have. (LOwLiFe) If running 2 would be best what kind would you suggest? |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 25 Registered: Jan-08 | maby 2 12" s? bridge the amp. |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 3 Registered: Jan-08 | Yeah, what kind of 12's? and do you think 2 12's would be louder than 4 with the amp that I have? |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 358 Registered: Jun-06 | i wouldnt go with 4 subs, especially if you want the loudest system for not a lot of money...otherwise youd be buying sh*t and itll sound like sh*t |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 52 Registered: Jan-08 | whats the RMS on that amp? that just shows max? |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 4 Registered: Jan-08 | Alright so ill probably go with 2. Now which 2 would be loudest for my amplifier? |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 5 Registered: Jan-08 | I wanna say the rms is around 300 but im not sure. |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 54 Registered: Jan-08 | 300 at what ohm? |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 6 Registered: Jan-08 | I honestly have no idea. Im not even sure if 300 is correct. |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 56 Registered: Jan-08 | oh... well that might be the whole reason you blew your first sub... don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you really should find out the RMS and what ohm its at before you waist money on a new sub that will get blown again from clipping |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 7 Registered: Jan-08 | I just looked up my amp on as many websites as I could find and could not find anything about rms. I even checked the maxxsonics website because they make the crunch amp and it said nothing about rms on any of their amps. |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 60 Registered: Jan-08 | whats the name modle and make of the amp? |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 8 Registered: Jan-08 | Its the Crunch PZi2250 and Crunch is part of Maxxonics |
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Gold Member Username: Loc_outSanta Ana, Ca Resonant Eng... Post Number: 1587 Registered: Feb-05 | Details: On the amp. 2 x 250 into 4 Ohms ·2 x 500 into 2 Ohms ·1 x1000 into 4 Ohms What's you budget??? |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 62 Registered: Jan-08 | lol, i can't find anything either... One site said 1000x1@ 4ohms... and for $90 no lol see if there is an audio shop near you that can rate your amp PZi Illuminated Crunch Badge PZi Link Bridgeable Design 2 Ohm Stereo Stable 250W x 2 @ 4 Ohms Dynamic Music Power 500W x 2 @ 2 Ohms Dynamic Music Power 1000W x 1 @ 4 Ohm Dynamic Music Power Silver RCA Inputs/Outputs High Level Inputs A/B Class Circuitry MOSFET Power Supply Electronic Crossover Dimensions: 9-7/8" x 2-1/4" x 14 |
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Gold Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 1075 Registered: Oct-07 | 2 type r's would be loud and sound good with 500 going to each sub 2 12" tht is |
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Bronze Member Username: SkaPost Number: 64 Registered: Jan-08 | MJ, he'll be waisting money because that amp can not put out 1000RMS, he'll clip his subs and blow them in a week is that. |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 9 Registered: Jan-08 | Im not really too sure on my budget as of now I dont really have one but there is no point in spending alot on subs if that is thae amp I am going to be using. And there are no audio shops by me because I go to school in Michigan's Upper peninsula. I wont be home for several weeks. |
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Gold Member Username: Loc_outSanta Ana, Ca Resonant Eng... Post Number: 1588 Registered: Feb-05 | I dont think that amp will put up 1000RMS. Maybe it'll do 800RMS. |
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New member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 10 Registered: Jan-08 | "MJ, he'll be waisting money because that amp can not put out 1000RMS, he'll clip his subs and blow them in a week is that." For 2 type r's The amp wouldnt need to put out 1000rms... type r subs are 500 watts peak not rms. |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 199 Registered: Aug-07 | Type-r's are rated at 500rms... well the 12"s anyways. i doubt that amp will put out anywhere near 1000rms. so maybe 2 kicker comps would be better suited for you |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 11 Registered: Jan-08 | Yeah my mistake, I just got an e-mail from customer support for Maxxsonics and the said the amp is rated for 500rms at 4 ohms when bridged. I think the amp may be too powerful for just 2 kicker comps. |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 12 Registered: Jan-08 | Could I run 4 kicker comps off of it? They are 300watts(max) and 150rms (@ 4ohms). Something about having more than just 2 subwoofers screams badass to me and I already have 2 boxes that can hold 2 subwoofers each. If that would be a good idea than how would I wire them up? |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 29 Registered: Jan-08 | its a 2 channel, so, run 1 complete box per channel. wire the 2 subs 2gether in one box w/ one wire going to the channel. do this in both boxes, then bridge the amp. it should work. M.S may can tell you. this is how i would do it. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1678 Registered: Nov-06 | If the boxes are identical, you'll be good. Depending on what impedances and coils the Comps come in. |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 13 Registered: Jan-08 | The boxes are not identical, one is slotted the other is sealed. What impedance and coils should I get for this operation? Also, Zach, Could you like send me some type of shitty paint drawing or something that would give me the general idea of what you're talking about because I don't completely follow what you're saying... sorry Im kinda a noob lol. and also would going with 4 subs be the best/loudest way I could set this up or is there a better/louder way? |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 705 Registered: Aug-06 | dont use differnt boxes! wither buuild a new box for 4 subs anr build a second box i dentical to on of our other boxes. 4 subs would be more efficient but you are not going to be running them nearly to their potential with that tiny amp. but to wire them up just wire all the coils in either serise or parallel or a combination of both(whatever will yeild 4 ohms) then bridge your amp and put the 2 lead wires into your amp. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1685 Registered: Nov-06 | ...as long as the Comps have single 4 ohm or dual 2 ohm coils. |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 14 Registered: Jan-08 | Whats wrong with using 2 different boxes? Im still not too clear on how to do the wiring for them, if someone could clear that up for me either very indepth or with a picture i would appreciate it. |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 30 Registered: Jan-08 | Kevin, I emailed you a diagram to wire these speakers up. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1687 Registered: Nov-06 | 2 different boxes will bring cancellation. Same as using 2 different subs. Like Mark said, you need to either build one for all of them, or you need to build another one that is identical to one of the ones you already have. You want Option 2. http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp?Q=4&I=41 |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 15 Registered: Jan-08 | Like this  or this  or am I wrong with both? |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 32 Registered: Jan-08 | the boxes have to be the same or just build one to hold the four subs. you would wire them the same. 2 subs per channel with amp bridged. i know how ya feel, it was hard for me too at first. |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 33 Registered: Jan-08 | thats wierd. look at the diagram i sent you. Ch 1 + to speaker 1 Ch2 - to speaker 1 + & - to + & - on speaker 2 Ch 1 - to speaker 3 Ch 2 + to speaker 3 + & - to speaker 4 |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1690 Registered: Nov-06 | Actually, neither of those are correct. The first one gets you 1 ohm, which will blow the amp for sure. The second one will put an 8 ohm load on each channel. You need to wire them like the link I gave you illustrates, with the amp bridged. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16966 Registered: Oct-05 | i think you should go with 2 kicker cvr 12s or 2 pioneer champion series 12s for that amp. both are very nice for the budget. you should be able to get either for less than 150 bux. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 710 Registered: Aug-06 | ^^^^ agreed. |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 34 Registered: Jan-08 | 2 subs wouldn't be so dificult to figure out. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1693 Registered: Nov-06 | 4 subs aren't difficult to figure out when you have a basic idea of how series and parallel work with identical loads. Just follow the picture and you'll be fine. If you are willing to give up the space, I'd do the 4 12s, but whatever. |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 16 Registered: Jan-08 |  like this? |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 17 Registered: Jan-08 | I get your picture cam but i dont quite understand what zach is trying to tell me. |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 18 Registered: Jan-08 | Wouldnt the kicker cvr's and the pioneer champions be too powerful for my amp? |
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Bronze Member Username: WaresgaragestereoFort Valley, GA United States Post Number: 41 Registered: Jan-08 | Kevin, this is right  |
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Bronze Member Username: DuckaShelby Township, MI United States Post Number: 22 Registered: Jan-08 | alright thanks |
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