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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

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Post Number: 2164
Registered: Jul-05
Hey guys i just finished installing my 2 AA havoc 18s in my car last night. The box is around 16cuft before displacment at 44wide x 21high x 35 deep. I have a vented port across the bottom of the box that is tuned to 28hz.
This box is pretty much a tank, it has double baffle on the top and back sides and 3 internal braces. It took me and 2 other guys to get it into the car.

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So far after about 2-3 hours of listening im not very impressed at all. It has very very good low end for rap and techno but if you play anything with kick drum is sounds extremely boomy. The SPL is not very impressive either, right now im giving them 2400rms (2 ED NINe.1s strapped) and it honestly sounds like im running 2 12s. If i had to make a rough guess its between 140-145dB. Im hoping after they get a chance to break in they will sound better because there very stiff but right now its not looking too promising. Ive decided to give them a week of 2400rms before i add another 2400rms to them so maybe that will help the SPL out...

If i had to rate them right now i would say 4/10.

My old ED 15s walk all over them. Its not even a fair fight.
 

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Username: Andrew571

Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA

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Registered: Oct-05
throw 4K @ those b!tches
 

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Username: Drivingreckless

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im sure they can take it...
 

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Username: Cblaze

Rock island, Tenesssee Us

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^^^^
 

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Username: Jemone

Stone Mountain, Georgia United States

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Registered: Jan-06
My GOD MANN!!! I MEAN MY GOD!!! you people wont be happy till you have bass that levels buildings!!LOL Oh yeah, neither will I.
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16073
Registered: Oct-05
i don't know what impresses you jake. nothing seems to impress you man. lol.

looks like a clean install as usual.
 

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Username: Cblaze

Rock island, Tenesssee Us

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Registered: Sep-07
you got it
 

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Username: Nyyfan13

Fi SSD USA

Post Number: 7557
Registered: Jul-06
Jake, you have the cleanest installs every time. Sorry you don't like them but they look damn good.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2165
Registered: Jul-05
Yeah i know they can take it too but even with the extra power it wont help the sq any...i also havent hooked up my EQ yet so thats promising as well but as of right now im very let down.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2166
Registered: Jul-05
chad you would laugh at them right now after listening to your RLs. lets put it this way...as of right now. sq on my old old old type X 12s > than the AAs. SPL would be a close one with the AAs winning.
 

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Username: Naledge503

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Post Number: 2414
Registered: Jun-06
Clean as always. How do you think they would perform at a little higher tuning?
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 7352
Registered: Jun-04
Jake Im thinking your box is too big for them
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 7353
Registered: Jun-04
nice install and subs though
 

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Username: Jesse59672

OKLAHOMA

Post Number: 810
Registered: Feb-07
go sealed
 

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Username: Jesse59672

OKLAHOMA

Post Number: 812
Registered: Feb-07
like 10 cubes altogether sealed.
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16075
Registered: Oct-05
make the box a bit smaller. like 12 cuft and tune it a bit higher man. like 32hz.
 

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Username: Cblaze

Rock island, Tenesssee Us

Post Number: 751
Registered: Sep-07
yea power aint always the best answer for better numbers on spl
 

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Username: Jesse59672

OKLAHOMA

Post Number: 813
Registered: Feb-07
oh i didn't read the tuned to 28 part
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

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Post Number: 6248
Registered: Jul-06
Those are Fi subs so... I wouldn't run them in the first place. Shoulda stuck with the EDs lol. Nice work though man, sorry to hear that you're dissapointed.
 

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Username: Bnd_rulez

Phoenix, AZ USA

Post Number: 909
Registered: Mar-05
Wow, looks fantastic.

I would miss my back storage area though.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 7358
Registered: Jun-04
"yea power aint always the best answer for better numbers on spl"

That is very true
 

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Username: Killerzracing71

Fredericksburg, Virginia United states

Post Number: 1776
Registered: Aug-05
Those are Fi subsROB

it says to 2 18" havocs at the beginign of the thread
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16077
Registered: Oct-05
fi makes aa subs.
 

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Username: Mgbcs

Lincoln, Nebraska

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Registered: Dec-06
Amazing work man...I was excited before I even opened this thread
 

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Username: Big_edge_head

Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA

Post Number: 971
Registered: Mar-07
very clean. :-) nice install
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2168
Registered: Jul-05
"Jake Im thinking your box is too big for them"

after displacement its right at 12cuft which should be perfect for them.

i would tune higher but whats the point of having 18s then? my 15s were tuned to 32hz. i will say they are starting to loosen up a little bit ive left my car on for about 2 hours today playing tone sweeps at low volume and its sounding better.

and yes rob there AA not FI. but i think there made by the same people? maybe?

to make it clear im not going for SPL. i rarely listen to music very loud but i would expect them to be much much louder than they are.

right now if you stand like 100ft away from the car tho it sounds amazing haha. i guess it takes a little while for the sound waves to get to there full potential.

thanks for all the nice words about the box and install tho.
 

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Username: Rovin

4 10 Pioneer...

Post Number: 12598
Registered: Jul-05
looks clean\neat but i suspect whta those guys say about u tuning it too low maybe the reason ...i agree with maybe a 32hz tuning...
 

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Username: Mgbcs

Lincoln, Nebraska

Post Number: 1805
Registered: Dec-06
Jake - three questions for you.

1) Did you sell the eD subs already?
2) Any idea how much the subs/box weighs? (just curious, not important)
3) Since you've run eD in the past, would you consider the new 13Av.2? They seem pretty solid.

Let me know, and once again, NICE WORK!
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2169
Registered: Jul-05
"Jake - three questions for you.

1) Did you sell the eD subs already?
2) Any idea how much the subs/box weighs? (just curious, not important)
3) Since you've run eD in the past, would you consider the new 13Av.2? They seem pretty solid."

1. no, i have 5 ED 16OV.2s in the basement and 1 blown in my room.
2. this box? or the ed box? both are very heavy and not worth shipping.
3. i would try the new 13AV.2 but i would wait to see if they make a 15 sooner or later before getting it.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 7359
Registered: Jun-04
oh I thought it read 18 cubic foot total Jake 12 cubes should be ok
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2170
Registered: Jul-05
its like 15.5 before disp. but the port is like 2.75cuft and the subs are like .6cuft. so its right around 12 after.
 

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Username: Mgbcs

Lincoln, Nebraska

Post Number: 1806
Registered: Dec-06
1) What are your plans with the eDs? You could make some money back couldn't you?
2) The box question was curiosity, not about a sale/shipping.
3) Well, I have one on order, so I will definitely let you know how they perform. With this being a "13," I would guess they may not be bringing out a 15, but maybe.
 

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Username: Rovin

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how far is the box from the hatch BTW ?

hmm i wonder how would it sound with box all the way to the end but ports facing up ......
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2171
Registered: Jul-05
1. yeah but as of right now ill keep them and put them back in unless i see some improvement.
2. with everything on this box its probably 250-300lbs. the ED box was right at 225 with the 4 subs and 3 amps on it.
3. they say all there 12s are 13s...and all there 15s are 16s...
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2172
Registered: Jul-05
"how far is the box from the hatch BTW ?

hmm i wonder how would it sound with box all the way to the end but ports facing up ......"

the box is like 5 inches from the hatch...and i was wondering the exact same thing when i heard it. i might just seal over the port in a few days to see what it sounds like and then make a decision on a new box.

one things forsure i wasted a good 150 bucks and 8-10 hours of work on this f'king thing.
 

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Username: Mgbcs

Lincoln, Nebraska

Post Number: 1807
Registered: Dec-06
Model Name : 13Av.2 Subwoofer
Size : 13" Subwoofer
Available Voice Coils : Dual 2 - or - Dual 4
Power Handling : 1200/1500 WRms

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?t=0&products_id=554
Not that 12" vs. 13" makes a difference
 

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Username: Rovin

4 10 Pioneer...

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Registered: Jul-05
dont get discouraged man - sometimes things take more than 1 try to get er done right ....
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2179
Registered: Jul-05
Model Name : 13Av.2 Subwoofer
Size : 13" Subwoofer
Available Voice Coils : Dual 2 - or - Dual 4
Power Handling : 1200/1500 WRms

measure it when you get it... all the other EDs are like 12.25 or something around there. these might be different tho ive never seen them in person.

"dont get discouraged man - sometimes things take more than 1 try to get er done right ...."

ohh im depressed rovin. i need a shoulder to cry on... too bad T&T are 5k miles away.
 

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Username: Rovin

4 10 Pioneer...

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Registered: Jul-05
^lol

had to redo my 4 10s 3 times b4 i got it to do what i wanted ...
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2181
Registered: Jul-05
haha yeah im going to try and make due with this box...i cant keep wasting 2 sheets of MDF lol.
 

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Username: Yukhui

3 15 AA Havocs, Memphis 4kw!!

Post Number: 799
Registered: Jan-06
I have found explorers to get loud with the port to the side.

I had my Apocalypse 15" in an explorer with 1200 watts a couple months ago. It was in a 3.5 cf box @ 35.

When I put it so the port was facing back, the only thing that was loud was the rattles in the trunk. With the sub facing back, and port to the side real close to the seats and not far back, it did 140's easy. The rattles weren't noticable inside the car and barely outside of the car. I was so amazed at how much louder it sounded with the movement of the box. It seemed almost like none of the bass was staying in the rear and projected right into my ears. Pissed neighbors were looking outside and all.

So I'm just saying maybe you should try putting the port on the side and maybe tuning to 30-33 hz. Letting your spiders loosen up should really help on the low end too, but it doesnt seem likely you will be able to enjoy rock music with your 18's.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2184
Registered: Jul-05
_UPDATE_

i played jeezy hypnotize and they move ALOT haha. they look like they would sound amazing...yet dont lol. ill try and take a video but my cam has been wigging out lately.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2185
Registered: Jul-05
"So I'm just saying maybe you should try putting the port on the side and maybe tuning to 30-33 hz. Letting your spiders loosen up should really help on the low end too, but it doesnt seem likely you will be able to enjoy rock music with your 18's."

thanks for the tips colby. ive never tried to the side in my car so ill def do that sometime. i want to stay tuned low. i MIGHT do 30hz but im not sure.

im also working on win ISD on an isobaric box...the curve looks alot better so far and it only needs 5.75cuft after disp.

im also thinking maybe aero ports...ive never used them before on any of my systems. only on boxes ive made for other people.
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16082
Registered: Oct-05
trade me the 2 havocs for my 2 rl-s.
 

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Username: Mgbcs

Lincoln, Nebraska

Post Number: 1811
Registered: Dec-06
Seriously Chad?
 

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Username: Yukhui

3 15 AA Havocs, Memphis 4kw!!

Post Number: 800
Registered: Jan-06
Nice dude. Maybe what you may want to do is if you have a small ported box, throw that in the trunk and move it around to see how sub up, port back compares to sub side and the same with the port with subs back if you can.

Personally, I've been considering making a box that I can just throw in someones car and try all the different ways of placing the sub and port.

As you know, it's all about trial and error. I'm confident that you will be able to find a way to get your box so that you are satisfied. (Especially since you have 2 nice 18's, plenty of power, and more than anything, an Explorer)

Do your rear windows open and close by chance?
 

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Username: Super_mario

Post Number: 281
Registered: Mar-06
Don't you guys think they might be out of phase. I mean when you hook one up backwards that happens. The subs move like normal and even get some output but they just sound weak. I don't know just throwing it out there because i would expect those things to wang even if they were made by pyramid.
 

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Username: Yukhui

3 15 AA Havocs, Memphis 4kw!!

Post Number: 803
Registered: Jan-06
Lol, you won't be in the 140's if one sub is out of phase with the other...
 

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Username: Super_mario

Post Number: 282
Registered: Mar-06
Well thanks Cooolby for making me feel like a dumba$$. :-) Didn't even read that part.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2186
Registered: Jul-05
"Do your rear windows open and close by chance?"
yes they do

"trade me the 2 havocs for my 2rls"
ill trade you both for 1 RLs.

super mario...there in phase. everything on the amps and wires are set perfect.
 

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Username: Yukhui

3 15 AA Havocs, Memphis 4kw!!

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Registered: Jan-06
Lol my bad dude. Not a bad thought to throw in though, I've wired subs out of phase plenty. What really sucks is when you wire the + and - power to the amp "out of phase"
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2187
Registered: Jul-05
well since my amps are strapped its pretty easy...

positive on subs go to (master) amp positive.
negative on subs go to (slave) amp positive
negative on (master) amp goes to negative on (slave) amp
jumper wire from master amp to slave amp
 

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Username: Andrew571

Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Post Number: 1326
Registered: Oct-05
On another note...

Ill get you guys a vid of my havocs this week
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4262
Registered: Nov-05
imo.. if you wanted sql .. tune up to 33-36hz and drop the box size down to 12^3ft ... 18s are going to be boomy unless they are sealed

looking at the specs tho.. they seem to have a weak motor
 

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Username: •cam•

BC Canada

Post Number: 1294
Registered: Nov-06
Looks clean as fu.k. Nice.

Good luck with your boominess problem. If it was me, and I decided to build a new box, I'd get in touch with Pete Kulicki.
 

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Username: Wingmanalive

A pic is worth 1000 posts!!

Post Number: 11651
Registered: Jun-06
Nice job Jake, as usual. Man they are right there next to you ears too lol.


Nice neighborhood dude. Need a roomy?
 

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Username: Jkidder

Gunshine , State Flawda

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Registered: Nov-05
wish my mountaineer looked that good...
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2191
Registered: Jul-05
thanks for the good words guys.

i will say that these subs are beasts at the low end just like the old avas. theres some notes that make your stomach jump.

haha paul if you bring the Q we could probably find a room or two for ya.
 

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Username: Adddisorder

Palm Beach, Florida

Post Number: 5606
Registered: Jan-06
if you are going for SQ why did you port 2 18s?


BTW clean install.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2193
Registered: Jul-05
i wanted agressive low bass and ive never had 18s before so i thoguht i would give them a try. they do sound awesome when playing low hitting rap songs but they just fall off really fast on the higher notes. i would install the EQ today but its like 25 outside and we dont have a heated garage.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4279
Registered: Nov-05
they are going to fall flat because they are ported.. your looking at anything over 38hz will start falling bad..

you ever plot it and look at the response curve?

your going to have to retune if you want a better response.. you will lose some on the low end but IMO youd be better set for music.. not a lot of songs play notes very low.. the majority of rap songs are normally 38-48hz

either or seal them bishes :-)
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2194
Registered: Jul-05
jack the curve didnt look too bad. it stayed strong until like 46hz then started dropping slightly then at 52-57 it fell hard.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4280
Registered: Nov-05
kinda stuck with two options.. both would require a new box which would suck :-( .. unless theres any chance you can go in and cut your port down?
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2195
Registered: Jul-05
nahh not happening. however i am going o seal over the port and make it "sealed" before i scrap it just to see how that sounds. but even if i do that there will be way too much airspace for a sealed box.
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16098
Registered: Oct-05
stack some bricks in the box to reduce the air space.
 

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Username: Adddisorder

Palm Beach, Florida

Post Number: 5609
Registered: Jan-06
hehe bricks:-)

try some styrofoam sheets to take up air space.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2196
Registered: Jul-05
the only problem with that is the port is only 3"tall and its hard to get things in there.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4285
Registered: Nov-05
more port area FTW :-)
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4286
Registered: Nov-05
you do realize you only have about half the needed port area for that size box right?

...only need about 128.5 square inches more :-)
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16099
Registered: Oct-05
take out one of the sub and put it through there.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

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Registered: Nov-05
thats about the only option unless you hacked your port out and made a bigger one.. not all that hard :-)
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4298
Registered: Nov-05
bump for jake :-)
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2198
Registered: Jul-05
haha chad when i read your post i just realized how retarded i am. thanks for bringing up the easiest solution ever...wow.

im still waiting to hook the audiocontrol up. i dont feel like freezing myself for 4 hours while trying to tune everything in the snow.
 

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Username: Denali_on_22s

You can call me Scroog...

Post Number: 3383
Registered: Feb-06
jake where do u live when youre not at school?
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2200
Registered: Jul-05
St. Louis...we got 7 inches of snow yesterday/friday night. Most snow ive seen in awhile.

its supposed to be 45-50 this week tho so i can hopefully hook the AC up.
 

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Username: Timothy_314

Post Number: 325
Registered: May-06
dang jake i live in Festus MO where at in St. Louis do you live? i didn't think any one on the forums lived in STL
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2203
Registered: Jul-05
Yeah man theres a few people that live in the STL area.

I actually live in edwardsville Illinois, but i consider it STL saying its 10 min away. I went to highschool at Chaminade though so im sure you know where that is.
 

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Username: •cam•

BC Canada

Post Number: 1298
Registered: Nov-06
If you like it, besides the relatively higher bass, I'd just get some crazy mid bass drivers.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Resonant Engineering..., Fort Worth... Email

Post Number: 4303
Registered: Nov-05
just needs more port area looking at the design/specs

box needs 1.5-2x more port area
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

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Post Number: 6258
Registered: Jul-06
"Those are Fi subsROB

it says to 2 18" havocs at the beginign of the thread"

Fi makes AA subs. So they're really Fi subs with a different brand name stamped on them.

"and yes rob there AA not FI. but i think there made by the same people? maybe? "
Scott Atwell is your man.

Sorry to hear you're not happy with those subs though. It sucks when you invest a lot of work into something and the product doesn't live up to the hype.
 

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Username: Bestmankind

-apem

Post Number: 16142
Registered: Oct-05
i think jake's subs were made by aa before the merger. could be wrong. just stating some possibilities.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2206
Registered: Jul-05
"Sorry to hear you're not happy with those subs though. It sucks when you invest a lot of work into something and the product doesn't live up to the hype."

yeah its frusterating.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

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Post Number: 6290
Registered: Jul-06
frus·trate /ˈfrʌstreɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fruhs-treyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -trat·ed, -trat·ing, adjective
--verb (used with object) 1. to make (plans, efforts, etc.) worthless or of no avail; defeat; nullify: The student's indifference frustrated the teacher's efforts to help him.
2. to disappoint or thwart (a person): a talented woman whom life had frustrated.
--verb (used without object) 3. to become frustrated: His trouble is that he frustrates much too easily.
--adjective 4. frustrated.

Jake you and another person that used the word "Frusterating" had me thinking that I might have been spelling that word wrong for so long lol. Dictionaries ftw.
 

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Username: Jakeyplaysbass

ASU

Post Number: 2213
Registered: Jul-05
haha nice rob. i will say, spelling is one thing ill never be very good at. it happens.
 

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Username: Charlesbhs

Dallas, Tx USA

Post Number: 411
Registered: Jan-07
jake maybe its not the subs... maybe your going deaf.... lol na im just playing but yea im sorry about that.. like i would be pissed if i got 2 18" subs and they werent everything i hoped... thats almost as bad as meeting your dream girl and then realizing she has a hairy chest.




or no chest @_@
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