Need help on whitch to buy???? help plzzz
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 735 Registered: Aug-06 | ok my friend is getting a new system. ok he is getting the mtx 81001 mono amp. rated at 1500 rms at 1 ohm. what do u guys think ould be better 2 alpine type r's 10 inch or 2 kicker cvx 10 inch. he has a 2000 1500 chevy silverado and he is getting box custom made to go underneath his seats he dont want the seats taken out. so getting a custo box made and that am witch subs would be the best for the price. the alpines are 2 for 190 bucks and kickers are 249 for 2 . help plzz need help fast let me know.. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 736 Registered: Aug-06 | bumppppp |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassASU Post Number: 2118 Registered: Jul-05 | i would probably do the kickers. thats a pretty good price for them. you better make sure that they will fit under the seats first tho. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 739 Registered: Aug-06 | yea they wil but its the area he has barely any room he has 2 10 kenwoods now but its sealed and sux. so idk i don tthink the recomended box fo rthose subs wil fit underneath so what should he do it sounds shi..t..y right now. but would the kickers sound good sealed? with teh mtx 81001 amp it deos 1500 rms at 1 ohm. but the ported recomended box fo rteh sub is liek 1.3-1.8 or sumthing. so idk if that would fit??? |
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Silver Member Username: Hurricanebr1anWestern Burbs of Chicago, IL Usa Post Number: 235 Registered: Sep-07 | i put my cvx in a sealed box once but obviously putting an spl sub in a sealed enclosure is pointless and it was disappointing. i would suggest getting 2 sq subs instead of spl subs for your friend. Type Rs and CVXs get loud but sacrifice some sq. if he goes with either of those two choices, they have to be ported. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 741 Registered: Aug-06 | ok. thanx. but he does want sql. and what other subs for that price are just as good and handle 750 rms??? |
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Silver Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 846 Registered: Apr-07 | Why not port 1 instead of cramping two? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 745 Registered: Aug-06 | no underneath his seat on each left and right side u can have a sub on each of those sides lol. itd be retarded getting 1 sub cuz ud stil have all that space and not be loud enough. |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 412 Registered: Sep-06 | Michael, It' not impossible to put 2 subs ported under the seat of silverado: This a box with 2 JL 10w3V2's ported and what you can't see in the pic is between the subs is an amp tray covered with a trim panel.  |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 746 Registered: Aug-06 | ok woodlawn u just said in my other thread it wasnt cuz ud have to fire em up or down lol. but anyways why do u have the box doubled up on teh face ? for w3 jl's ? but yea does it soudn good when firing up? and wil the subs pound hard enough to hit teh seat underneath? and where ure talkign bout the amp tray thats wear the floor goes up in teh center.. so do u mean the box has a amp tray built in?? do u build boxes? if so how much? |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 413 Registered: Sep-06 | Mike, I never said you couldn't do a ported enclosure in the other thread, I said for the size of the subs as to the frame diameter, there's not enough height to mount on the front. However, I did say that if the front were angled, it may be possible to mount the subs on the front baffle provided the amount of the angle needed didn't conflict with the sub mounting without coming into contact with any of the interior surfaces. Yes, I did say that the only manner of mounting the subs would be either up or down firing. I don't have the subs " doubled up " where their mounted, the subwoofers are " recessed which requires using layers of mdf in order to recess the subs below the surface so even with the seat down, the subs will not come in to contact seat bottom at full excursion. From what the customer told me the enclosure/subs bass response, it sounds good and hits hard and loud for what he wanted. Here's where the amp tray is on the enclosure:   And Yes, I do build boxes: www.woodlawncabinetry.com |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 748 Registered: Aug-06 | ok ui understand now. ok now this box is probably what my friend mike woudld luv. and im gon atalk him into buyign this box just liek this oen from you. and hed luv how the amp rack is uilt into teh box. nice job btw. wel im gona ask you how muc hdo u charge for this box to be built and shipped to the zip cod eof 53848? |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin4 10 Pioneer... Post Number: 12549 Registered: Jul-05 | Phil - man that box looks damn sweet .... |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 414 Registered: Sep-06 | Michael, Keep in mind this enclosure is designed to be used with the JL subs I mentioned, ya can't just throw any subs into this enclosure and expect to sound/perform as it did for the JL's. The design of the enclosure pictured will not support the recommended spec's for the Kickers CVx's, so, your friend is going to have to ditch the kickers and get the JL's 2 JL 10w3V2's. Or Go with another subwoofer that will fit within the design limitations of the enclosure per the spec's already establish for the design and more important, subs that will fit. Cost $ 235.00 As for shipping, can't quote ya that because the zip code ain't coming up as a valid zip code. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 749 Registered: Aug-06 | damm he wil be dissapointed that the subs he wants wont fit. and 235 thats kinda expensive. but the jl's prolly wouldnt be as lud as teh kickers would they? |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 418 Registered: Sep-06 | Hey, what can I tell ya other than I knocked the cost of the enclosure down from what it would of cost ya because at this time of year, I always knock down the cost another 30% of what the regular cost is. Merry Christmas |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 4333 Registered: Jul-06 | They will probably be louder than the kickers in a incorrect enclosure....... thats what makes all the difference. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 750 Registered: Aug-06 | ms ye si know teh enclosure makes allot of differnce. but idk he sai dhes already ordering teh kickers in 3 day i just talked ot him. but didnt u say the kickers wil fit in that box if he has them facing up just liek teh box u have? can u make them work in that box or not? let me know asap. thanx |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 751 Registered: Aug-06 | and the box he ha snow is angled so teh subs are in the front of teh box facing forward and its angled too. so would the kickers work if they were angled to? with liek the same port u have in that box with teh same amp tray? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 752 Registered: Aug-06 | mounting depth kickers: 5 15/16" mounting depth mountign depth jl w3 subs: 5.93 how woudl teh kickers not work? not saying ure rong but im just asking. i f they were andgled woudl they stil soudn as good as tehy would facing up? |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 4339 Registered: Jul-06 | I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'll bet you don't have enough space (cu.ft.) for the kickers. Tell your friend NOT to go buy those kickers until he has PLANNED out the system and knows what enclosure can fit, then choose subs that will work in that enclosure. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 753 Registered: Aug-06 | yea for teh cu ft for the kickers is 1.25 - 1.75 cu ft per sub. so i don tthink its gona work. fu..ck he is already wantign them subs. and sealed is .8-3.00 cu ft but he has sealed box and it sounds distorted and crappyyy. would the kickers sound good in sealed? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 754 Registered: Aug-06 |  this is the box he has now with his kenwood subs. except it dnt cut in in teh center it goes streight across flat peice of wood. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 755 Registered: Aug-06 | oh and woodlawn teh amp hes gettign wouldnt fit in that amp rack in teh box. he is gettign the mtx 81001 amp |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 756 Registered: Aug-06 | we might just use teh sealed box he has now. but idk if they wil fit with the surounding teh kickers has for teh screws. do kickers soudn good sealed. wil they get loud and hit hard? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 757 Registered: Aug-06 | bumpp |
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Silver Member Username: Hurricanebr1anWestern Burbs of Chicago, IL Usa Post Number: 241 Registered: Sep-07 | dont waste the CVXs by sealing them... if you're asking "can he?" sure he can, but dont do it. CVXs are very good budget subs when ported. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 758 Registered: Aug-06 | so ure sayign dont put em in teh sealed box? that sall he can really do cuz he is gettign the cvx's but everyoen sais they wont fit in hsi truck and stuff. will they soudn good ported or not? or just distort and soudn liek s..t????? why do u say dont do it |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 4344 Registered: Jul-06 | Your firend is an idiot if he buys CVXs and tries to put them in too small a box. There would be much better performance from subs that are designed for that airspace  |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 759 Registered: Aug-06 | heres the subs he has now...kenwood kfc-w2510 |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 760 Registered: Aug-06 | bumpp.. ok what other kind of subs woudl do teh same power an dhandle 1500 rms together for 240 for 2 of them??? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 761 Registered: Aug-06 | bump bump |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5448 Registered: Feb-06 | bump after 3mins? someones' impatient. it might help if you would at least post the max depth of the sub he can get under his seat. i know i'm not going to post every 10" sub that'll handle 750wrms (lots) when they wont work in his truck. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 763 Registered: Aug-06 | ok sry bout that it didnt go to the top of the list. but yea ill try to get the depth of his seat underneth. but im not asking everysub just a few thatl be decent like the cvx's |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 419 Registered: Sep-06 | Jesus Christ, ok, here it is in a nutshell.   The graphic's shown are of the full dimensions I have for under the seat of a silverado and I should of been more specific as to what model year it was, in this instance a ( 2004 Silverado Extended Cab ). OK, the box you put up there is a completely different type of enclosure specific to the 2000 Silverado and oddly enough I have been back and forth with another customer with a 98-99 Silverado. So, as it has already said by MS & CT Mike, the only d@mn way anything is going to get sorted out is for the EXACT dimensions/measurements for the area under the seats to be known first. Then and ONLY then will I know what can or cannot be done in terms of: Volume available given what the design dimensions bear out. What and if the subwoofer will or will not fit and if a different subwoofer will have to be used. Type of enclosure - sealed or ported. I'm sorry if I'm being alittle testy, but, I am trying along with everyone else telling you that what your friend would like vs what is going to work is the cold hard reality that " YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT ". I have been down this road so many times, it's not even funny, I know that a customer has there heart set on a setup and I try like he!! to do my best to make a design work to give that customer what they want, but, sometimes I also have to end up telling that customer what they want just ain't going to fly. One last thing and I'll shut up. I have heard systems of all kinds and the one's I have heard with low RMS wattage ( 500 & under ) that sounded and hit pretty d@mn hard and loud. While, that may not impress anyone outside of your friend, your friend has to take into consideration that for what he has to work with for what he can do is all that going to happen and no more. I can think of at least 6 different setups, sub/enclosure wise that would work for this, but, there are folks here that would laugh there azz off and tell me to GTFO here, but, I know for a fact they would hit hard, tight and be decently loud. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 764 Registered: Aug-06 | ok wel sry i cant get teh dimensions now but friday i can. ill post them friday. anyways, wel i know i was being pushy and sry i just really am trying ot help my friend out and tel you the truth he aint smart one bit on a system he was liek ok well ill just cut my box i have now in half and then cut pieces to screw back on teh sides . im liek u idiot for 1 the box isnt near the given specs for teh sub and another thatd just be the dumbest thing you could do, i said save a couple hundred and ill find someone to custom build u a box.hes liek ok. and another thing he sais is how coem the kickers wont fit im liek wel every sub has a diferent cutout . hes liek wel there all 10 inch subs i sai dyea but that dont mean they all are gona fit in a 10 inch hole.. he just dont understand yet. and he has 8gauge wirirng and i tel him to upgrade it. he dont understand that either. btu anyways i am gona try an dget teh dimensions. and hopefully you can figure sumthign out out with the kickers. ok besides teh kickers what subs do u know of that wil get decently loud and hit hard instead of teh kickers? just name a few.i kno wi can talk him into not getting the kickers. just need to now what ubs u kno of thatl work. thanx for all the help |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 765 Registered: Aug-06 | bump bump. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5459 Registered: Feb-06 | again, alot of subs would work with 750w. so stop asking until you get the space he has to work with. without that it's pointless. no one is going to sit here and post a bunch of subs that may or may not fit. it's useless and a waste of time so stop asking. and you ever consider hooked on phonics? wisconsin education ftl from reading your posts. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 766 Registered: Aug-06 | ohh would the kicker comp vr subs work? but the recomended box is the same specs lol. idk what other susbs to think of besides jl,kicker,alpine, he likes dd, fi but there to expensive for wut he can get. but he makes 10 bucks a hour working fo rhis dads business they own a grass mowing and snow plowing company. so he get smoney pretty fast . |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5461 Registered: Feb-06 | how much space does he have to work with? i.e. the max depth for a sub to fit? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 767 Registered: Aug-06 | wel i know he has plenty of depth to work ith for the kickers its atleast 12 inches dee or more. |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 338 Registered: Aug-05 | ok first the box you posted it fits under the seat and he has it right? what is the internal demensions? find the cubic feet of that one.. then we can begin to help with what 10's will fit.. if thats the box style he wants.. did he already get that amp? there are many variables i mean a dayton loudspeaker rss265hf-4 is 5 inches deep sealed box is .6 ported is 1.64 rec tuning is 28hz 350 watts rms wont work with that amp. dont know about box, dont know internal volume by the way the daytons probably sound better than those kickers, may not be as loud. the ho versions might keep up though 600 wrms 1.2 ported tuned to 34 hz but yet we still dont know your air volume lol by the way the daytons are $126 a piece just my 2 cents |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 339 Registered: Aug-05 | .64 sealed for the ho version |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 340 Registered: Aug-05 | or hell phil's box looks like it can fit one 12 make the box one chambered and port it should be able to get same output as 2 10's |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 768 Registered: Aug-06 | ok well i think that box is liek 2. sumthign cu ft. i forgot. but anyways. idk h elive sin a diff town so idk how id figure it out. and where can he buy these susb ure talking about? and no he didn tget the mtx am p yet. what ampw ould u recomend for these to dayton subs? and he wanst 2 tens lol sry |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 769 Registered: Aug-06 | wuts teh link to teh ho series that do 600 rms.?? |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 342 Registered: Aug-05 | well ask Phil if the daytons will fit in the box he has.. partsexpress.com is where the subs are if they will thats a good combo as for amp is buy a mmats d1100.2 and watch the gains if for the hf series of those subs. the ho id get a mmats d1600.2. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 770 Registered: Aug-06 | ok how much for teh mmats d1600.2? i hope not over 300. cuz that swhat he has for an amp. and i know mmats are expensive. anyways whats teh link fo rteh ho? series. cuz i know hell want the better sub. |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 439 Registered: Sep-06 | I can check to say if the Daytons ( rss265hf-4 ) can fit the design that I have, however, that other enclosure that was posted up is entirely different from what I have, so, till the OP provides definitive measurements/dimensions of the area for the 2000 1500 chevy silverado under the seat. However, that other customer provided a link to the enclosure in question which I was able to gleem some dimensional info from here: http://www.audioenhancers.com/catalog_prod/gmc_gmx200.html http://www.audioenhancers.com/catalog_prod/gmc_gmx120.html As shown in the details if you scroll to the bottom of the pages, the dimension info is available with the exception of the Notched Areas on the bottom back of the enclosure's. If I knew what they were as to there measurements/dimensions, I can figure out what the volume is and verify if the subwoofer will fit. I can only do so much with the info available. |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 343 Registered: Aug-05 | http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-462 theres the link to the high output version of the 10" if i was him id get 2 of them and Mr.Salisbury's box..If they will work.. The mmats amp is more than $300 but you might be able to find a used one around that price |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 771 Registered: Aug-06 | so the daytons wil soudn good sealed? ok yes woodlawn the link you gave looks just liek teh box he has right now. as for those susb wil they fit in teh box given in the link? can u figure that out for me plz. and kevin ar ethose susb dual 4 ohm or single? it dont say. and ill hav ehim pick a cheaper amp cuz for 300 bucks how can u beat 81001 mtx? if so let me know other kinds. thanx guys allot finally im gettign somewear thanx to you guys. id be lost if noone helped me on this. but if those susb wil fit in the box he has then he can keep it . but ported always sounded better to me |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 345 Registered: Aug-05 | there single 4 ohms... Phils box is ported if those subs work with his box i suggest you get that box from him and Phils answer to the question about your friends box As shown in the details if you scroll to the bottom of the pages, the dimension info is available with the exception of the Notched Areas on the bottom back of the enclosure's. If I knew what they were as to there measurements/dimensions, I can figure out what the volume is and verify if the subwoofer will fit. I can only do so much with the info available. So you still need the maesurments of the notched part if yopu can get that Phil can tell you |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 441 Registered: Sep-06 | Michael, OK, were gettin somewhere now. Which box does he have as to the links I provided?? Next, which ever box it is, if you measure all the details of that box and post them here or e-mail them to me, then I can do an exact draft detail of the enclosure in Sketch UP and with that along with the dimensions of the subwoofer, I can determine if the subwoofer will or will not fit. This means your going to have to take the box out the truck to take all the measurements and while the box is out of the truck, can you take some pictures of the area in the truck??? |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 442 Registered: Sep-06 | Sh!t, I forgot. While the box is out of the truck, measure all the details of the floor area, especially the heights at the back and front with the seats in the down position. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 772 Registered: Aug-06 | ok ill try to get him to get that box. but its 245 bucks lo. idk ill try. and what messaurem,nt of teh notched part? i dont understand what u mean. i know u need a messauremtn btu where? and i talked to him buying these ho dayton subs. but i read reveiew on the subs from othe rppl and they all sya there very impressing and get low . but the thing im worried is them blowing if we give them 1000 watts rms. everyone on teh reveiws say they gave them 450 rms and then another for 2 of them only gave 500 rms. wil they blow gettign 1000 to both of them? |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 346 Registered: Aug-05 | are you still getting that mtx how many wats is it at 2 ohms. given them 1000 watts rms to each yeah they will blow 500 watts rms to each they will be fine.. |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 347 Registered: Aug-05 | lol that amps fine at 2 ohms it does 1000 watts rms thats 500 rms to each sub |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 773 Registered: Aug-06 | oh and woodlawn. yes this weekend i wil messure teh depth of teh area teh height and width but in teh center it goes up like a hill ill try to get pics of his install and of the area with the box out. and the height at the front and back i will mesure too. and if there single 4 ohms what can that be wired down to? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 774 Registered: Aug-06 | oh and woodlawn. yes this weekend i wil messure teh depth of teh area teh height and width but in teh center it goes up like a hill ill try to get pics of his install and of the area with the box out. and the height at the front and back i will mesure too. and if there single 4 ohms what can that be wired down to? and yes friday or saturday i wil get pics th eonly thign is if there too bgi how am i goan resize them an dshow u guys? i have no clue how to. wel anyways yes i can get pics. |
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Silver Member Username: KravenbloodOhio Hmmm Post Number: 349 Registered: Aug-05 | 2 ohms that mtx amp will work |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 775 Registered: Aug-06 | the mtx 81001 is fine.? yes i meant 500 rms to each and 1000 to both put togethe rlol i aint dumb enough to put 1000 to each haha. but anyway scan u wire 2 4 ohm subs into 2 ohms? i cant remember |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 776 Registered: Aug-06 | ok never mind yes u can wire 2 4 ohm susb into 2 ohms lol woops. ok yes that mtx amp will work. now i just gotta get pics of teh truck to see if these susb u guys recomended wil work in the box he has or if he should get a different box made. |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 443 Registered: Sep-06 | OK, this thread is getting rather lengthly with all the info being traded back and forth, so, I'm going to break out to another topic thread dealing only with the enclosure, that way, all that info stays on topic without confusion. Let me get some other matters taken care of and I'll get into the enclosure details, spec's and design stuff and post it up. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 777 Registered: Aug-06 | remember these r teh susb he has so i know for a fcat these dayton subs will be 10 times better lol. but heres the link to teh susb he has and btw there way overrated. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-KENWOOD-KFC-W2510-10-SUBWOOFER-CAR-AUDIO-SUB-800W_W0QQit emZ110087829707QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3291QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 779 Registered: Aug-06 | ok sounds good woodlawn |
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Silver Member Username: Mike_16Reedsburg, Wisconsin Us Post Number: 780 Registered: Aug-06 | woodlawn u make the new thread yet???????? |
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Silver Member Username: Phil_salisburyPost Number: 445 Registered: Sep-06 | Michael, I'll be getting to it once I have everything done so there's no doubt as to what needs to happen as to all the questions asked for my end. Ya gotta have alittle patience, that's all I'm asking. |
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