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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

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Registered: May-07
http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/381
 

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Username: Jblanford

Post Number: 1925
Registered: Oct-06
good find man, but i thought you were leaving ? lol
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 761
Registered: May-07
i was but i had to put this out....

i pop up here and there on some posts... cant help it
 

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Username: Jblanford

Post Number: 1926
Registered: Oct-06
yeah i don't have a problem with you posting stuff like this
 

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Username: Theweasel

Steamboat springs, Colorado U.S. of A

Post Number: 883
Registered: Mar-06
those havocs look sick! kinda dissapointed with the arsenals and assassins though. i guess they were filling the gap that FI has and making some lower powered subs. can't wait to see what the price is
 

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Username: Basssquared

Kansas

Post Number: 977
Registered: Nov-06
"yeah i don't have a problem with you posting stuff like this" lol lmfao hahahaha
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 347
Registered: Nov-06
http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9881
 

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Username: Nyyfan13

Fi SSD USA

Post Number: 5470
Registered: Jul-06
sexy time
 

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Username: 54danny54

KY More Wang Th...

Post Number: 3908
Registered: Nov-04
damnit...
i want a new havoc
 

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Username: Splmonster

C-Town, OH USA

Post Number: 1342
Registered: May-06
look nice, bet they are priced amazingly well lol
 

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Username: Gavbo211

JL Audio 10w3v2, IL US

Post Number: 555
Registered: Jan-05
i'm wondering how many average joes will say "i always knew W7's were friggin awesome!" when they hear/see the havoc. or am i the only one that notices that the top view and even the placement of the little emblem look exactly like a W7..? lol.
 

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Username: Adam_s

Post Number: 1651
Registered: Aug-04
^^Thats exactly what popped in my head when I saw it.
 

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Username: Qcsfinest

Charlotte, North Carolina

Post Number: 429
Registered: Jun-05
how does the sq of the havoc's compare to the SI Mag and the 05xxx? Those things look great.
 

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Username: Logan__tille

I walk around like I g..., Yea thats ab... Half a brick...

Post Number: 8500
Registered: Feb-06
I thought they were coming out with new models?
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 351
Registered: Nov-06
The only thing that is the same is the name.
 

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Username: Qcsfinest

Charlotte, North Carolina

Post Number: 430
Registered: Jun-05
So are the havocs Sql woofers?
 

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Username: Jkidder

Spring hill, Florida Usa

Post Number: 1051
Registered: Nov-05
these better perform a TON better than they look and the specs suggest. every single woofer went down in rms? better be efficient and VERY VERY cheap or im fvuckin incredibly disappointed that i wasted my god damn time waiting for this POS line to come out.
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 352
Registered: Nov-06
JK did you read what scott said on the AA forum? And do you really think Fi is going to build a POS line for AA? In addition the only "specs" released are the rms, and that is not a defining factor of how a sub is or build or preforms.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3598
Registered: Jul-06
^Lol.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3599
Registered: Jul-06
Scott can't take too much business away from Fi :-)
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 353
Registered: Nov-06
Fi and AA are aimed at two different markets.

Fi is direct only
AA is dealer only

AA will really not effect Fi sales at all.
 

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Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 4795
Registered: Feb-06
denim, is ssa an aa dealer now? if so could you pm me the prices, preferably the 12" arsenal? or maybe a little more info, like the release date?
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 354
Registered: Nov-06
Prices are not released yet and the subs will be available soon.
 

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Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 4797
Registered: Feb-06
how soon though?????????????? at least give up that much. we at least deserve that much.
 

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Username: Yukhui

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Post Number: 512
Registered: Jan-06
It's going to be interesting to see how the new havocs compare to mine and dane's.
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 355
Registered: Nov-06
ctmike, I don't know the exact day yet. As soon as it is posted on the AA forum by Scott I will know.
 

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Username: Imalik

SD2.5......ED9.1=Boom, New Jersey Audioque...N...

Post Number: 449
Registered: May-06
The Havocs look like JL subs
 

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Username: Adddisorder

West palm, Florida

Post Number: 4838
Registered: Jan-06
they look nice.
 

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Username: 54danny54

KY More Wang Th...

Post Number: 3914
Registered: Nov-04
denim...hit us with the link when they come out man i appreciate it
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3600
Registered: Jul-06
"AA will really not effect Fi sales at all."

Yea right.If someone is buying one sub over another in any way it DOES have an effect on sales.
 

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Username: Andrew571

Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Post Number: 1011
Registered: Oct-05
what, denim???? that makes no sense. How can AA being hyped up so much and expectation running sky high, NOT affect the market of Fi Car Audio. Its like when a walmart buils a new store in a town that only used to have Target.... its obvious target would lose people to the new walmart...the way of business...


Oh and about the line, yea W7 look al over that sh!t, i dont like it.
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 357
Registered: Nov-06
I guess I have to repeat myself,

AA = Dealer network (one online, the rest brick and mortar)
Fi = Direct only (no stores at all, period)

The Fi line has always been directed at the more DIY type of audio person, it is customizable to the customers needs and you can speak directly with the designer.

AA is going into stores and shops for a much broader customer base. The average person out there walking into an audio shop is not going to know or understand the inner workings of a speaker or know what T/S parameters are and how they effect the performance of the speaker.

So like I said, AA should not really effect Fi sales at all (in the grand scheme of things).

And to re-enforce the point, direct quote from Scott of Fi (posted on the AA forum):

Ratings on everything were higher before. When going back through and redesigning things I rated them this time at what I felt comfortable with. Even the Assassins rating went down some although the coil is a decent amount beefier than the last version. I like the ratings to reflect an all around usage and not have issues even with somethings being incorrect with the setup. I have done plenty of OEM where comapnies have rated things far beyond what I would have... then had to deal with the resulting problems of them rating things so high. I hate returns, plain and simple.

I havent had any marketing issues in rating past products or Fis current lineup where I have either... as it seems most people ignore them anyway and run what they want or feel they can get away with smile.gif

Nope, no use of splitgap on the subs. As mentioned above, we use split coil on the mids. Similar results overall.

Carbon fiber dustcaps were cool, but sort of a PITA considering the attachment and expense. Not out of the question for the future, but not in the plans right now.

How do they compare to the Fi lineup? There is very little stepping on of toes between the two companies, even considering the drastically different markets that both companies are geared towards.

Thanks,
Scott

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9881&st=0


Now think about it,

Assassin series does not directly compare to a Fi model, (power and design) same goes with the Arsenal's. Since people on here want to judge a sub based totally on its rms ratting, both the Assassin and Arsenal are ratted much lower then the SSD's and will use different coils.

The Havoc is the same way, its rms is ratted higher then a Fi Q and lower then a BTL and is available in less sizes, with no custom parts and different coils.

So in conclusion the two lines (IN THE BIG PICTURE) will not really effect the sales of each other. Based on the power and coils alone, not very often does someone change an amplifier (at least in the internet world) for a new sub.

Is there still confusion?

 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 358
Registered: Nov-06
I guess I have to repeat myself,

AA = Dealer network (one online, the rest brick and mortar)
Fi = Direct only (no stores at all, period)

The Fi line has always been directed at the more DIY type of audio person, it is customizable to the customers needs and you can speak directly with the designer.

AA is going into stores and shops for a much broader customer base. The average person out there walking into an audio shop is not going to know or understand the inner workings of a speaker or know what T/S parameters are and how they effect the performance of the speaker.

So like I said, AA should not really effect Fi sales at all (in the grand scheme of things).

And to re-enforce the point, direct quote from Scott of Fi (posted on the AA forum):

Ratings on everything were higher before. When going back through and redesigning things I rated them this time at what I felt comfortable with. Even the Assassins rating went down some although the coil is a decent amount beefier than the last version. I like the ratings to reflect an all around usage and not have issues even with somethings being incorrect with the setup. I have done plenty of OEM where comapnies have rated things far beyond what I would have... then had to deal with the resulting problems of them rating things so high. I hate returns, plain and simple.

I havent had any marketing issues in rating past products or Fis current lineup where I have either... as it seems most people ignore them anyway and run what they want or feel they can get away with smile.gif

Nope, no use of splitgap on the subs. As mentioned above, we use split coil on the mids. Similar results overall.

Carbon fiber dustcaps were cool, but sort of a PITA considering the attachment and expense. Not out of the question for the future, but not in the plans right now.

How do they compare to the Fi lineup? There is very little stepping on of toes between the two companies, even considering the drastically different markets that both companies are geared towards.

Thanks,
Scott

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9881&st=0


Now think about it,

Assassin series does not directly compare to a Fi model, (power and design) same goes with the Arsenal's. Since people on here want to judge a sub based totally on its rms ratting, both the Assassin and Arsenal are ratted much lower then the SSD's and will use different coils.

The Havoc is the same way, its rms is ratted higher then a Fi Q and lower then a BTL and is available in less sizes, with no custom parts and different coils.

So in conclusion the two lines (IN THE BIG PICTURE) will not really effect the sales of each other. Based on the power and coils alone, not very often does someone change an amplifier (at least in the internet world) for a new sub.

Is there still confusion?

 

Gold Member
Username: Jkidder

Spring hill, Florida Usa

Post Number: 1052
Registered: Nov-05
i dont see yet how this is better than the older lines. lol i know its not all about the numbers but to me this just doesnt look good?? am i the only one whos disappointed?
 

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Username: Wolf_hound



Post Number: 413
Registered: Sep-05
Im loving the havoc thats the only sub i am really impressed by. Agree jk the other lines are eh but its not about looks its about performance.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3602
Registered: Jul-06
"So in conclusion the two lines (IN THE BIG PICTURE) will not really effect the sales of each other. Based on the power and coils alone, not very often does someone change an amplifier (at least in the internet world) for a new sub.

Is there still confusion? "

Apparently.The only thing is that it's you that is confused.For every sale of a sub that isn't a Fi sub takes away from sales of Fi.I understand that Fi is going towards the DIYers and that AA will be sold at the flea market and at stores blah blah but a lot of people that were thinking about buying Fi subs decided to wait for AA and will buy AA instead of Fi.Are you still confused Denim?I can possibly use smaller words if you need me to.
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 360
Registered: Nov-06
Rob,

Now tell me how a sold Assassin is taking away from Fi? Man all those BTL sales are really going to hurt AA huh?

The people who wanted to wait for AA subs can now start to see how they don't go directly against Fi subs. If someone wants an all out SPL driver and has tons of power, AA does not have what they need. If someone wants a low power SQ driver, Fi does not really have what they need, and so on and so on.

If there is no real direct competition between different company lines, sales are really not hurt either way. What you are saying is the same as Chrysler is taking away sales from Mercedes. Both owned by the same company, share some parts, an obvious price difference, different options, but are not built to go up against one another. Is it really that hard to understand?

Scott is not going build and own two different companies that fight with each other. That would be flat out silly. He is building two different companies with two different goals, with two different demographics, and two different sales formats. I can explain it again if need be.
 

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Username: Theweasel

2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A

Post Number: 886
Registered: Mar-06
i'll have to wait to see the prices before i make a final judgement but it doesn't look good. i know there are other factors to the sub then rms rating. but can you tell me which sub will perform better: the old arsenal or the new one? considering the old arsenal could take 1000w and had awesome sound quality, i just don't see how the new arsenal is going to be an upgrade?
 

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Username: Theweasel

2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A

Post Number: 887
Registered: Mar-06
sry to double post, but isn't that what we were waiting for? an upgrade from old AA lines.
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 9
Registered: Oct-06
None of you can see the forest from the trees.

Fi is a custom built to you sub period. Each sub is built per person, per install, to what they specifically want and need, it is not something that a dealer can stock, nor do we want them to do so.

AA is a separate entity that is aimed at the dealer market. No options, other then what impedence coil do you want, and what size/series do you want. Components and other things will be coming out soon and AA will be a full fledged dealer lineup.

Trust me, it's not going to hurt Fi a bit.

As with the ratings, we rate the products now how we rate the Fi line. The ratings are how we view the woofers can take this amount of power no matter the scenario, and not fail. Regardless of what they "may" have been "rated" at in the past. The coils that the woofers use now are actually larger than the older woofers and have more material to work with if that's any insight on the power handling 'issue'.

Thanks
-Nick
 

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Username: Theweasel

2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A

Post Number: 888
Registered: Mar-06
an ssd can handle about 1100w in nearly any scenario with no options. that's about 33% more than rms rating. if the arsenal can take 33% more than rated power than it could handle 700w respectively. that's 300w under the old arsenal, and with all that i don't see how it will be louder than the old line. and the old arsenal was sql leaning towards sq, so is the new arsenal a pure sq driver?
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 10
Registered: Oct-06
I'm not going to say what it will, or what it will not handle. We stick to our guns with 750 watts with the SSD's, if you find that you can run more power then that and have no issues then that's fantastic.

All of the AA line was/is designed with musical applications in mind for daily driving scenario's that dealers can stock on their shelves. % of power or % of SQ is based upon the user of the sub, and the install that it is in.

Thanks
-Nick
 

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Username: Andrew571

Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Post Number: 1012
Registered: Oct-05
not saying its going to hrut it either, just saying that it giuves customers one more company to choose from, therefore ultimately it will take away fi customers. I dont really care, just saying that i dont see how u can say it wouldnt. Its not a bad thing, ....yuh
 

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Username: Theweasel

2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A

Post Number: 891
Registered: Mar-06
i guess what i'm dissapointed by is the fact that AA has no lines that compete with fi lines. i guess i should have suspected this, but i thought the two companies would be more separate than that. it looks like AA was only released to fill the gaps that fi left
 

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Username: Jkidder

Spring hill, Florida Usa

Post Number: 1056
Registered: Nov-05
denim, in a few weeks there will be a ssd or arsenal thread. some1 will be comparing those two. i guarantee. i see wat ur saying but the way the user purchases isnt what we r saying. i understand direct market is different.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3608
Registered: Jul-06
Please explain this to me again Denim.I'm a little slow and who is Nick if you don't mind me asking?
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 11
Registered: Oct-06
<--Nick"at"ficaraudio.com
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3609
Registered: Jul-06
I see.So you work for Fi right?
 

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Username: Wingmanalive

A pic is worth 1000 posts!!

Post Number: 8419
Registered: Jun-06
I think we can all agree FI did something right with their lastest line. For the money the exposure they got was well deserved/earned. Héll of a sub at a héll of a price. Maybe, just maybe their new marketing strategy is to encourage such comparisons. Bottom line is ppl will be buying one or the other. If it's on stage, it's selling.
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 12
Registered: Oct-06
:-)

This one is for the dealers, they have been asking for a dealer line with Fi, but we do not have any sort of dealer network setup with Fi, so now there is one available for them.
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 764
Registered: May-07
Ndmstang65...

You shoulda known by his Name right there... that he was with Fi...

That his name on the Forum...

Also most people who own a company or a business car audio related... always say

Thanks
Name here....


Well Beside Polo ha ha


Thank You Nick for comming on here and doing that... Helpin explain this all out

I'm still gonna buy from Fi... The BTL has way more SPL ability than, the havoc and so on..

So right there, Fi didn't lose a customer
 

Gold Member
Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 4798
Registered: Feb-06
blah, blah, blah..........

i want a release date or prices dammit
 

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Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2250
Registered: Nov-04
i have a feling that the new arsenal will take 1000rms. scott just put the listed rms at what he feels comfortable with, as apposed to the old arsenal could of had a higher rms rating but was not in the comfort zone. idk thats what i go from it. i like the way the avoc look. even though it is similar to the w7. but the 05 style xxx looked almost the same way too. imo
 

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Username: Jblanford

Post Number: 1941
Registered: Oct-06
i hate this...how in the phuck is it even remotely close to the dub7 ? its not !!! it has an inverted oversized dustcap and the small logo thats it. to me it looks like an RE SX
 

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Username: Jblanford

Post Number: 1942
Registered: Oct-06
btw not just saying that to hunter, but to all...i have been hearing it all day and i figured i would let that out
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3610
Registered: Jul-06
"Ndmstang65...

You shoulda known by his Name right there... that he was with Fi...

That his name on the Forum...

Also most people who own a company or a business car audio related... always say

Thanks
Name here....


Well Beside Polo ha ha


Thank You Nick for comming on here and doing that... Helpin explain this all out

I'm still gonna buy from Fi... The BTL has way more SPL ability than, the havoc and so on..

So right there, Fi didn't lose a customer"

Once again you prove to be a complete dumb@ss.I'm not a member of the Fi forum and I don't visit over there so his name does me no good.You also won't buy anything so quit acting like you're going to.You've been saying that you were going to get BTLs for like what?6 months now?Well at least you have a Fi shirt right?Represent you fugging poser.So there,shut the f uck up once again.Nick despite my d1ckhead post,thanks for the info man,it's appreciated.
 

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Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 4799
Registered: Feb-06
hahahaha^^^.
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3611
Registered: Jul-06
"Since i can't say nothing without being critisized.... and i mean nothing, i'm just gonna leave, until i get my system and i'm Certified....


It just gets annoying, some people can be immature, i try to just bite my tongue about it.....


SO PEACE....

For those of you who aren't immature, and always looking to diss me in anyway..Dakangofkrunk16 aim get at me"

Please,be a man of your word.
 

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Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2251
Registered: Nov-04
joe....i guess thats all im sayin too. oversized dust cap. i know the rest of the sub looks nothin like it. just the face of the sub. let out your anger lol.
 

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Username: Loc_out

Santa Ana, Ca Resonant Eng...

Post Number: 885
Registered: Feb-05
damn the Havoc looks like the W7. I wonder if they can out perform my 05 XXX. Can't wait for them to come out.
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 13
Registered: Oct-06
No problem Rob, glad i could help.

Thanks
-Nick
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 765
Registered: May-07
You no what Rob.. You don't like me for some reason, i don't really care.. I did leave, i don't post stupid crap, what i said there made sense, and that post wasn't directed towards you...

There are people on here that also go there, Who the Dumd@$$ now...

My system isn't the most important thing in the world.. Helping my mom out with bills and paying mortgage is..

And if that means you don't shut up about that, well then so be it....

You Try to pwn ova the internet... That is right the internet, why... I don't understand.. Tryin to pwn someone is like arguing over the internet..


And i know why you go after me... There is just so much to critisaze about me... But you know what...

I AGREE...

I mess up at typing
I'm annoying
I'm Jewish
I tend to think i know all
I used to start sht
I don't have a system, as of now
Most of this Forum doesn't think to Faund of me(prolly spelt that wrong)
I disrespected Chad.. Thats when all the hate started to come...
Sometimes i make no sense


Really you cant make fun of me any more... Cause i agree to what u say, that is who i am get ova it...I learnd by my mistakes


I know your not just gonna read this and be like ok... Your gonna quote me, and diss and critisize me alot.. Well Do what makes u feel like a man
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3612
Registered: Jul-06
"Really you cant make fun of me any more..."

Of course I can make fun of you.You know why Dru?Because you make it so f ucking easy.I don't care if you're Jewish,my boss is Jewish as well and I don't hate him,he's actually cool.Stop pointing out that you're Jewish because we're not playing the race card here buddy.I don't like you because you're a complete moron and say the most stupid things out of everyone here on Ecoustics.As far as doing what makes me feel like a man...Ecoustics won't help me with that,I guess Ecoustics makes you feel like a man but it doesn't work for me Dru.

Now STFU DRU and let's get back on topic!I vote for gold plated baskets on the Havocs :-)
 

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Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2253
Registered: Nov-04
i like the way the black baskets look. like the hdc3. gold plated would ebe cool i suppose. with a platinum upgrade? lol the hizzavoc?
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 361
Registered: Nov-06
Glad I don't have to repeat myself. Nick did it just fine.

People need to relax and not be so worried about internet hype. It takes a long time to rebuild/redesign 3 speaker lines. Scott/Nick/Shawn will make sure things are built well and have excellent performance before they go out on the market. The Fi line up is great proof of that.
 

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Username: Bumpin_buick

Appleton, Wisconsin USA

Post Number: 23
Registered: Apr-07
Interfire/JL/AA Is there really a difference?
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTERFIRE-2000-WATT-SUB-SUBWOOFER-15-INCH-SPL-PRO-V15_W0QQit emZ330145223083QQihZ014QQcategoryZ18804QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

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Username: Yukhui

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Post Number: 513
Registered: Jan-06
I like the black. Also, if I were in the market for a sub, I'd want to be paying for how the speaker perfoms, and not how it looks. I see people with chrome baskets and such, that's great, take it to a car show or something. Does it effect the way it sounds or how loud it gets? Nope. When I'm looking for speakers, I'm paying so they do their purpose. If you want something flashy to show off, go buy an Audiobahn. (Although most of us don't even like the looks of Audiobahn...)
 

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Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1902
Registered: Aug-06
i cant believe how many people are crying because the new AA line isnt everything they ever dreamed of...

AA is not trying to compete with anyone. each speaker is better than before regardless of RMS ratings (QUIT JUDGING EVERY SUBWOOFER BY ITS RMS).

i think RMS ratings are the #1 most confusing things in the car audio world, and i dont know why...

/my rant
 

Gold Member
Username: Jkidder

Spring hill, Florida Usa

Post Number: 1057
Registered: Nov-05
nice find mtt kitzis. thats the same fvucking sub. im so angry right now. i was about to write a check for a havoc until i saw the pictures and specs.
 

Gold Member
Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2254
Registered: Nov-04
hopefully you realize we were kidding bout the gold and platinum. but not the black
 

Bronze Member
Username: Bumpin_buick

Appleton, Wisconsin USA

Post Number: 25
Registered: Apr-07
Im sure its still gonna be a good sub, but there was just to much hype for something that the company never really promised, they said they would continue to make good affordable subs and that is what appears to be getting done, I think everyone expected them to take it a step up in power and that just is not AAs plan
 

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Username: Yukhui

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Post Number: 514
Registered: Jan-06
"each speaker is better than before regardless of RMS ratings"

That's yet to be determined.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1903
Registered: Aug-06
" "each speaker is better than before regardless of RMS ratings"

That's yet to be determined. "

im sure its been determined by the experts who made it all happen...
 

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Username: Yukhui

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Post Number: 515
Registered: Jan-06
" "each speaker is better than before regardless of RMS ratings"

That's yet to be determined. "

im sure its been determined by the experts who made it all happen..."

Maybe to an extent. If every sub has more SQ, SPL, better durability and all other aspects I will be very impressed. What I'm saying is for instance they may have decreased some SPL and added more SQ to a line and such..
 

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Username: The_image_dynamic

San Diego

Post Number: 2318
Registered: Dec-06
There are still a couple more surprises to come. When... I don't know.
 

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Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2255
Registered: Nov-04
the w7 and the havoc are completely different subs and that one thats posted on ebay. even though they have similar dust caps, the motor structure technology is completely different. you say you buy subs on performance but then bring up tha because these subs look similar they sound the same. im sure these subs have been tested rigorously and if they say they are better then they are better regardless of rms ratings. this is a company based on performance and results. they wouldnt lie about it. it makes no sense for them too.
 

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Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 4802
Registered: Feb-06
"nice find mtt kitzis. thats the same fvucking sub. im so angry right now. i was about to write a check for a havoc until i saw the pictures and specs."

jk, that is the dumbest thing ever. how can those be the same fuc_king sub? what do they have in common? what, the cone and logo placement? have you heard all three in equal installs side by side? are the specs the exact same? and why must you keep crying about the "specs"? where do you see the specs posted in this thread? or the threads on the ssa forum? or the ca.com thread on the new aa lineup? nowhere that i've seen. why, cause they haven't released them yet so stop bitc_hing about them. if you don't like them fine, don't buy them, i'm sure aa wont care if you don't buy them. doubt it'll really hurt them much. just stop crying about how thier a dissapointment because of the specs, cause they haven't even been released and everytime you say that it just makes you look really stupid.

and matt kitzis, yes, the jl/interfire/aa subs are completely different. cause they look the same means absolutely nothing.

and i'm with brad, aa still has a few other things left to do from what i have heard:-)
 

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Username: Denim

Www.TeamSSAudio.com, MD

Post Number: 363
Registered: Nov-06
Holy crap that sub's cone looks the same, it must be the same motor, the same suspension, the same gap, the same coil, the same top plate, the same t-yoke, the same basket, the same leads, the same surround, the same moving mass, .....
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3613
Registered: Jul-06
"Holy crap that sub's cone looks the same, it must be the same motor, the same suspension, the same gap, the same coil, the same top plate, the same t-yoke, the same basket, the same leads, the same surround, the same moving mass, ....."

Well now that you said it Denim I'm starting to believe it. :-) We were definately kidding about the gold baskets lol,I could give a sh1t less what a sub looks like period.Should have saved the money wasted putting a logo on it and putting more performance in.The extra 50 cents it costs to put it on there could have helped out in other areas :-)So will AA be the Sony Xplod(e) killers?
 

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Username: Hdubb

Farmington, Nm Usa

Post Number: 2259
Registered: Nov-04
nothing is beter then xplode. except xplodes with gold basket lol. you what would be kinda cool? i that visitor or guy or anyone could put a 4hp motor on a xplode assembly lol.
 

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Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1904
Registered: Aug-06
"If every sub has more SQ, SPL, better durability and all other aspects I will be very impressed."

well, not only do i see that ever happening, i never said it would...
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3614
Registered: Jul-06
"AA is going into stores and shops for a much broader customer base. The average person out there walking into an audio shop is not going to know or understand the inner workings of a speaker or know what T/S parameters are and how they effect the performance of the speaker."

So I'll be able to pick these up at Besty Buy and my local Circuit City right?
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 14
Registered: Oct-06
"Maybe to an extent. If every sub has more SQ, SPL, better durability and all other aspects I will be very impressed. What I'm saying is for instance they may have decreased some SPL and added more SQ to a line and such.."

Everything that you just said is 100% dependent on the install and the scenario in which the woofer(s) are put into.

We wouldn't have wasted our time re-designing everything if we did not feel that the line is a better product than it was in the past. If we wanted it to be 'just as good' as it was in the past, wouldn't we have built the exact same thing that it was? It would have been much easier, and much cheaper ;).


For the record/fyi, i'm not saying this again. The RMS ratings that we have given the woofers are what we feel is 'safe'. If you find that you can put more power to them safely then by all means do it. We don't like returns so we rate ALL of our products conservatively. There is nothing similar to the W7, There is nothing similar to the other woofer either.

3 totally different subs, 3 totally different ballparks.

Thanks
-Nick
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 767
Registered: May-07
Kinda like the Fi Btl's.. You rate them at 2000rms... but people give them much more, and they seem to shine on 2500rms, the fully loaded ones
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3615
Registered: Jul-06
"You rate them at 2000rms... but people give them much more, and they seem to shine on 2500rms, the fully loaded ones"

Too bad you can't speak for yourself on that isn't it?Have you ever even heard a BTL Dru?Just wondering...
 

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Username: Jkidder

Spring hill, Florida Usa

Post Number: 1065
Registered: Nov-05
have u ever seen a btl dru?
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 768
Registered: May-07
I'm sure AA's new line will be just fine... People just gettin mad cause of the long wait that was endured.. And they see the lower RMS as not an improvement, but i kinda understand what your saying... Well we wont know will they are officially out...

I wanna know the Prices
 

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Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1905
Registered: Aug-06
Rob, your probably the most negative person on here.

your probably in the top 10 most negative people on the net, as well.

its cool though... :-)
 

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Username: Djl

Post Number: 67
Registered: Sep-06
I couldn't agree more with Nick regarding power ratings on subs. Any good sub designer worth his salt does not inflate power ratings. Sub power ratings should be based on the knowledge and skills of the AVERAGE enduser under the worst of conditions.

An inferior product can handle huge power for a limited time under specific conditions in the hands of a highly skilled person. This does not mean the average enduser can do the same.

Inflated power ratings are deceptive at best and are in most cases outright lies when applied to the average consumer. The most asked question I get is "how much power can I burp it with and how much for daily driving". My answer in most cases is the rated power which means you have to be doing dumb things to destroy the sub at its rated power. I also know in the hands of a skilled enduser the sub can handle much more power but those endusers are the exception not the average consumer.
 

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Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1906
Registered: Aug-06
sometimes you can tell just by looking if something is gonna suck or not.

the pics that scott put up of the 8" assassin looked impressive. just a stout little 8" woofer with a low RMS rating. i bet 4 of them with a 1000 or even 2000 watt amp would be nice.

ive had way loud setups with 1000 RMS subs only giving them 250 watts.
 

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Username: Djl

Post Number: 68
Registered: Sep-06
A well designed sub does not need its rated power to perform well...it just does better when you give it more power.
 

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Username: Yukhui

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Post Number: 516
Registered: Jan-06
"Everything that you just said is 100% dependent on the install and the scenario in which the woofer(s) are put into.

We wouldn't have wasted our time re-designing everything if we did not feel that the line is a better product than it was in the past. If we wanted it to be 'just as good' as it was in the past, wouldn't we have built the exact same thing that it was? It would have been much easier, and much cheaper ;). "

Well all subs are dependent on the install and scenario..
I understand you built new subs and do believe you that they are better, but in what ways would you say make them better than there older lines?
 

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Username: Dakangofkrunk16

Post Number: 769
Registered: May-07
Well... We won't really know if it is good or bad. Til they actually come out, and we actually hear it
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3617
Registered: Jul-06
"Rob, your probably the most negative person on here.

your probably in the top 10 most negative people on the net, as well.

its cool though... :-)"

It depends on what we're talking about lol.I am a pessimist so I guess it makes sense for you to say that about me but there are certain things that I have a positive outlook on so...oh and thanks for noticing me Tremor,I feel special.I'm usually negative when I hear people spitting bullsh1t but if you're honest and cool about things then I'm cool with you and that's all there is to it but when you say a bunch of BS and run your mouth too damn much that's when I dislike people.
 

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Username: Winterfreshpimp

Chisago, MN America

Post Number: 521
Registered: Mar-06
sorry just hoped in but... yeah im dissapointed. dunno just doesn't seem to impressive. i know they're sq and all but i still expected higher or at least matched RMS power. i know its not all about rms but still...
 

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Username: Shortysetnies

Rock Vegas, NC US

Post Number: 1431
Registered: Mar-06
haha. he was positive about you saying he's negative...

I don't care what they look like or what everyone is saying about the NOW, I am going to get a 12" arsenal for my truck aaround November. I just wanna give it a try.

Why would a company take a great product and f(_)ck it up? Especially after they get a guy like Scott to join.... I don't think they would. There would be no reason to ruin a great name and great product. Everyone can speculate, and you're welcome to your OPINIONS, but it's a little early to be saying what they WILL and WONT be...
 

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Username: Ndmstang65

Post Number: 15
Registered: Oct-06
If i rated it at 1 million watts, you bought it because you wanted to strap your two 500,000 watt amps to it...would you buy it then? Even if it is the same exact coil, that thermally won't take more then say for example 1,200 watts?

Ratings are ratings, it is what we suggest. If you feel that you can put more to it then by all means do so. We rate the products in such a way that we feel that they cannot possibly fail given ANY scenario (bad box, crappy install, sub par power from the amplifiers)

If you really want the 1 million watt rating i'm sure there are other companies out there that will jump on that for you, however don't be disappointed when you get to 1,200 watts and it flies apart like a two dollar watch.

:-)

Thanks
-Nick
 

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Username: Gh0st_31

FL USA

Post Number: 566
Registered: May-06
Why is everyone b!tchin? we have nothing but pics. no specs, no testing, so just stfu and hows about we wait till they come out and see.

Im still very intested. AA has alwawys had great stuff, fi has always had great stuff. Great service as well.

AA will still sell very, very well.
 

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Username: Tremor1127

Team Fi Car Audio [:-]

Post Number: 1908
Registered: Aug-06
Rob, i dont really dislike anyone on here. i dont really dislike anyone on the internet. i dont know none of you... :-)

i can however get wound up by certain people and i should be way more grown up than that to get angry over the internet (considering ive been gettin down on the internet since the internet pretty much existed and im used to all the totally negative shit)

almost every thread i open i could find something to complain about but why? someone is just gonna do it for me in 3 seconds anyways...

back on the AA subject. what would be the more musical subwoofer out of the bunch? dont care about output at all.
 

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Username: Winterfreshpimp

Chisago, MN America

Post Number: 523
Registered: Mar-06
prolly the arsenal. i love mine.... for a 15" it preforms extremely well
 

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Username: Sqcheap

Grand rapids, Michigan Usa

Post Number: 41
Registered: Jul-07
It's great AA is back, more subs for us! The 6.5 too?
 

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Username: Fi_car_audio

Hades, NV

Post Number: 208
Registered: Sep-06
I really must give a hearty thank you to everyone here for an amusing break in my emails. Made me smile :-)

It is going to be very amusing in the next few weeks to hear how I ruined AA...lol. I had my hands in a good portion of the previous drivers and now all the new ones. And I must say up front on this post (as I have on others along the way) that the new AA lineup is geared towards the needs of dealers, not the general DIY/internet market. I have kept a net outlet for those that have made AA what it is, but its more of a nod/thanks to those people than an actual marketing strategy. To be blunt, the net sales will be dwarfed within the first couple of months by dealer sales. And it will only grow from there. The new drivers are upgraded in the areas I felt they needed to be to perform in the direction dealers would want. So in the case of the Havoc, it means a little more linearity and SQ in place of brute force. Now if that is disheartening to some, sorry... I have talked to dozens of dealers in the past few months and found what they liked/wanted in a line and pushed to that. It was somewhat surprising to rarely hear "more chrome and flash" which at the same time seems right inline with my initial goals. No, none of the drivers are groundbreaking, or defy physics... they simply get to the point and seem to have hit the mark for those initially interested.

As for 6.5s, we will have them, and they will be a SSA only item. Dealers could care less about an individual mid and we simply will not offer them to dealers. Comps, coaxes, and other items will be.

Back in a couple hours for another break :-)

Thanks,
Scott
 

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Username: Winterfreshpimp

Chisago, MN America

Post Number: 524
Registered: Mar-06
prices.....?
 

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Username: Adddisorder

West palm, Florida

Post Number: 4840
Registered: Jan-06
damn some of the people on this forum are just stupid, and dont seem to know much about subs
 

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Username: Th3pwn3r

Post Number:...

Post Number: 3620
Registered: Jul-06
But I don't like SSA! :-(


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