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Silver Member Username: OneracistguyTWO EGG, FL USA Post Number: 353 Registered: Sep-06 | http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/index.php?showtopic=415&hl=rockford+fosga te+16,000 |
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Silver Member Username: SpkrmanChi town, IL U S A Post Number: 242 Registered: Mar-06 | wang |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana DD 9515d~~]... Post Number: 4506 Registered: Mar-04 | No Mark...you got it wrong. Its "Schwing"  |
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Gold Member Username: OglejustYou aint bangin unless..., Il Post Number: 1136 Registered: Aug-06 | that guy has waaaaay 2 much money lol |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 words Post Number: 4077 Registered: Jun-06 | If you did what he did, you'd have the cash flow as well. He is a pioneer, with a passion. |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan13Fi SSD USA Post Number: 3924 Registered: Jul-06 | what did he do? im not up to date in Steve Meade History 101 lol |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Use a simple... Post Number: 9197 Registered: Dec-04 | google his name you will find out fast |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 words Post Number: 4078 Registered: Jun-06 | Google it Yanks. There's too much to say. Lol. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 words Post Number: 4079 Registered: Jun-06 | D@mn James. You're too fast. |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan13Fi SSD USA Post Number: 3925 Registered: Jul-06 | lol alrite lets see what it says... custom cars is what im getting...is this right? thats tight as sh1t if it is... |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Use a simple... Post Number: 9202 Registered: Dec-04 | lol Paul |
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Silver Member Username: DreamtheaterPost Number: 110 Registered: Sep-06 | oh i see how he got so much money http://www.stevemeade.com/ |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Use a simple... Post Number: 9203 Registered: Dec-04 | http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/ |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindWww.15inchwangers.comFI Audio BTL Post Number: 10697 Registered: Oct-05 | that thing is a price of a awesome used car or a decent new car. lol. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 words Post Number: 4080 Registered: Jun-06 | He also built a HT speaker project. He's my idol. |
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Silver Member Username: •cam•Post Number: 104 Registered: Nov-06 | yeah i read a huge long thing about that amp. max current draw is 350 amps or sumthin. i think it was on the rockford forum. k i found it. this is what the designer posted on that forum... "I would like to clear up some of the confusion about this amplifier and help anyone interested understand the power of this technology. This post is going to be long for I am trying to address over 10 pages of posts from several different forums. This post is not intended to read arrogantly what so ever, it is intended to be understood by people with different levels of understanding. It can be difficult to explain complex subjects in an easy to read and understandable manner, and it may be remedial for some so please bear with me. I know people default to Ohm's Law (circa 1827) and immediately say this amplifier is impossible. Ohm's Law has been correct for 179 years and I'm sure it will remain correct for many years to come. This technology is in no way breaking Ohm's Law. The real law that we need to talk about is the 1st law of thermal dynamics or Conservation of Energy. This law states that energy can not be created nor destroyed; additionally you can only get the same amount of energy out of a system as the amount of energy that was put in. This is true for every amplifier including the T15kW. A quick review of what "Efficiency" means as I will refer to it later. Efficiency = (Power Out / Power In). Let us take a typical class A/B amplifier for example. Say it puts out 200 Watts RMS and it takes in 300 Watts to do this. Efficiency = 200/300 = 0.67 or 67%. How do we know how much power it took in? This is where Ohm's Law is helpful. We knew it took in 23.8 amps to do this at 12.6 Volts. 23.8A * 12.6V = 300W. Conservation of Energy DOES NOT say "Power In = Power Out". It says "ENERGY IN = ENERGY OUT". What's the difference? "Power" has no time factor in it, "Energy" does; "Energy" = Power * Time. When you get your electric bill in the mail they don't charge you for how much "Power" you used, they charge you for how much "Energy" you used, hence the unit "Kilowatt * Hours". A Kilowatt Hour is a LOT of energy and I doubt we will ever see the unit used in mobile audio. When referring to the T15kW though we could use the unit Kilowatt * Second, meaning 1 kilowatt for 1 second. However there is already a unit of measure for energy that is commonly used in the audio world; it is the Joule. A Joule is to energy like the Gallon is to water. It is a quantity of Energy and is defined as 1 Watt second or 1 watt for 1 second. Ok, I know that is a bunch of info, but to really understand the topic it is necessary. I suppose we should talk about storing energy now, as in a capacitor. The formula for how much energy a capacitor can store is; (½* C*V^2). Which reads ½ times the capacitance (in Farads) times the voltage squared. As an example let's find out how much energy is stored in a 1 Farad capacitor that is connected to the +12V system. (½ * 1 Farad * 12 * 12) = 72 Joules or 72 Watt seconds. If you are still with me, now we have the knowledge to discuss the operation of the T15kW and its Hybrid Technology (HT). You can not put out more energy than you take in, or can you? The answer is YES YOU CAN, for periods of time. The HT system in the T15kW stores a huge amount of energy, well into six figures of Joules. It is capable of this by using the latest technology in capacitors designed for use in Hybrid Vehicles and large wind turbine electricity generators. The operation of the system is somewhat analogous to the operation of a Hybrid Vehicle. During some conditions a Hybrid car is running on just electric power, other conditions it runs on just gasoline power and under 'full throttle' conditions uses both systems. The T15kW has 2 systems in a way. It has the high voltage system which is stored in the amplifier, and it has the 12 Volt system from the vehicle. When the T15kW's output power is low it uses power from the high voltage system to run the amplifier and energy from the 12 Volt system to charge the high voltage system. When output power is relatively high it uses the high voltage system along with some energy from the 12 Volt system. When it is at 'full throttle' it uses both systems to their capacity, pun intended, to supply the output devices with the maximum amount of current possible. So how can this work and why doesn't it just 'run out' of energy? The key is that music is very dynamic, meaning it has 'loud' times, like a kick drum, and relatively 'quiet' times, like.....,well like anything that is not loud . During the 'loud' times the system releases energy, for instantaneous efficiency of well over 300%, and during 'quiet' times it absorbs energy, the instantaneous efficiency at this point could be as low as 0%. Hybrid Technology is an energy management system. The "average" efficiency is still similar to other amplifiers. BUT you must read the last two paragraphs to understand the big picture. The system in this amplifier was designed so that it could play typical music continuously at 15 kilowatt levels. After all, this is an AUDIO amplifier we are talking about and audio amplifiers were intended to play music. With the Hybrid Technology system inside, the T15kW plays music like no other amplifier before it. The question has been asked, "What about a sine wave, like for an SPL competitor"? The T15kW has plenty of energy to get through a 3 second sine wave burst. However a 5 minute "death match" style competition is not the T15kW's forte. Who wants to torture their investment like that anyhow? So why would I design such a system? First of all this amplifier will make your ears smile when you hear it. Or you'll be smiling from ear to ear, one of the two. Secondly it has the ability to deliver incredible amounts of dynamic power. But maybe more importantly, when getting into the multi-kilowatt range the power delivery from the 12V system becomes more and more inefficient. The Hybrid Technology system in the T15kW provides current averaging to help this efficiency problem. Let's talk about why current averaging is useful. Someone on one of the posts mentioned something about I^2*R losses. They are referring to Ohm's Law by saying that current squared times resistance = power, and in this case power lost. Let us take a case with any typical amplifier playing music or a sine wave burst for a period of time where half of the time is 'loud' and half is 'quiet', just to simplify the situation. Let us also pretend that during the 'loud' times the amplifier draws 1000 amps and during the quiet times it draws 0 amps. Let's pretend for a moment that during a 'loud' time; 1000 amps of current are being pulled on a 12 volt system through a 10 foot run of 1/0 AWG cable. Standard resistance for this length of 1/0 AWG cable is about 0.0012 ohms. Using the formula above for power lost 1000 amps * 1000 amps * 0.0012 ohms = 1200 Watts!!! So during this 'loud' time 1200 watts of power is being lost on that cable alone, and of course during the 'quiet' time 0 watts of power is being lost since the current being drawn at that time is zero. Ok, with that said, half the time 1200 watts are being lost and half the time 0 watts are being lost, for an average loss of 600 watts. Now let us take that same example with HT's ability to current average for the same period of time. So instead of drawing 1000 amps when loud and 0 amps when quiet, it draws 500 amps continuously. If we put that number into the formula for power (loss) we will see something interesting. 500 amps * 500 amps * 0.0012 ohms = 300 watts loss in the cable. The I^2*R losses are cut IN HALF!! So while the "average" efficiency of the T15kW amplifier itself may be similar to other amplifiers it makes the entire system from battery to amplifier outputs much more efficient. I hope this helps explain the technology, it is REAL, and it does work. Tony D'Amore REAL PHYSICS" its crazy apparently it'll put out 25kw on a burp. it's gonna be sooo cool when this sh!t trickles down. |
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Silver Member Username: SpkrmanChi town, IL U S A Post Number: 244 Registered: Mar-06 | Analogous to using a normal cap in a setup... it turns into more of a load than anything else, and its only useful in the presence of an already stout electrical system. This amp just takes it to the next level, and provides enough cap for a burp... but it takes power to make power, period, whether your charging those caps over a period of time, or drawing it straight off your electrical system instantly... its a big fat load. You buy this amp not because its practical... because you have the $ to be in the elite few that own it. |
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Silver Member Username: OneracistguyTWO EGG, FL USA Post Number: 362 Registered: Sep-06 | yea notice the serial number on the one meade has... 0003 |
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Gold Member Username: Tremor1127You aint wangin till y... Post Number: 1036 Registered: Aug-06 | paul, loudspeakers. not HT, at all. |
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Gold Member Username: Tremor1127You aint wangin till y... Post Number: 1037 Registered: Aug-06 | ^^^ and i say that in an evil voice... |
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