i was over at one of my buddies house today and we were looking around in his garage and found these old 2 12'' powerbass subs in a box and a logic 300 watt 2 channel amp and he was like well you're into systems want to buy it? i told him no but he said well $40 bucks and its yours so i went ahead and bought them , couple hours later called this guy i know who is looking for a system and he came over and looked at them and gave me $160 ... i love stupid people