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New member Username: ThemathguyPost Number: 1 Registered: Dec-06 | I have a newer Toyota Tundra. I would like to get better quality sound when playin' CDs, etc. Stopped by a local car audio shop that recommended an 2 channel amp off the factory head unit. I'd very much like to keep all the seating, so I'd be limited in space to the underside of drivers side and passenger side seats. Thus a 2x200 is about as big of an amp as I could fit. The fella mentioned Eclipse and Arc-Audio as his recommendations for Amps. Price range is around $400 installed, so around $300 for the amp itself. Are the factory speakers even capable of handling that much extra power? Arc-Audio or Eclipse (or something else)? Would an aftermarket 50x4 (Eclipse or Pioneer probably )head unit accomplish the same goal? |
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Silver Member Username: Dsmith07LaGrange, NC US oF A Post Number: 356 Registered: Jun-06 | adding a aftermarket head unit will make your speakers sound a little better but if the factory speakers are cheap fillers just so they can say u got speakers i'd just get some aftermarket cds because with the amp on a factory head unit your gonna have to get a line output convertor (LOC) and amps on ebay and sites such as www.woofersetc.com and www.sonicelectronix.com have much cheaper stuff versus a dealer. |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3386 Registered: Sep-05 | what year tundra |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3387 Registered: Sep-05 | and is it crew or extended cab |
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New member Username: ThemathguyPost Number: 2 Registered: Dec-06 | 2006 Quad cab (the four door variety) 2 6x9s up front 2 6 1/2" in the back Where do y'all go to get info on factory setups? |
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New member Username: ThemathguyPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-06 | And it's really a Christmas present for my dear ol' dad . . . And I'm just as big of a procrastinator as the next guy, so I'll very likely need to get this done at a car audio dealer in the neighborhood. Their prices for Eclipse CD4000 $350 Eclipse CD3000 $275 (this is the one I was lookin' at, I used to have one myself) Arc-Audio 2x200W @ 4 Ohm (I think) $300 Should I post this again in the HU discussion? |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3388 Registered: Sep-05 | I sent you a privcate message, check your email |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3389 Registered: Sep-05 | would not put a 2 channel in unless you know th ohm load on those speakers, I would run a 4 channel amp to them. i can get you a nice memphis 4 channel for less then that. |
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New member Username: ThemathguyPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-06 | Allegedly (according to the car audio shop) the Speakers are 4 ohm variety . . . thus in a parallel config they'd be givin' a 2 Ohm resistance. I'm also fully aware that fairly high quality products can be had for significantly less than the dealers prices, except the shipping would kill any sort of bargain. (i.e. next day/2 day delivery would cost well in excess of the difference in price.) Should I just go with a decent head unit (eclipse CD3000) now and get an amp/speakers later, or go with an amp now and get the head unit/speakers later? |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3391 Registered: Sep-05 | you can not tell what ohm, they are making a basic assumption, but you really do not know until the speaker is out, my nissan had 2 ohm speakers in it, my pontiac had 8 ohm. |
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New member Username: ThemathguyPost Number: 6 Registered: Dec-06 | ah, quite. I'll probably go with a head unit, if for nothing else for the placebo effect. (he'll be able to see the difference, heh). Now the question is Eclipse CD-3000 or Pioneer 7800/780 . . . |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3393 Registered: Sep-05 | I think the pioneer features is better, get the premier 780 Supertuner Supertuner Supertuner IIID 24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets BSM (Best Stations Memory) Local Station Setting Selectable (4-Step) CD Player 1-bit D/A Converter 24-bit Burr Brown CD-R/CD-RW Compatible AGC (Automatic Gain Control) Disc Title Memory Disc List Track Title List CD Text CD Text MP3 Playback Compatibility Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV, iTunes AAC File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet Max Directory 8 Max. Folder # 99 Max File # per Disc 999 Multisession Disc Play Random Play Folder/Disc Repeat Play File/Folder MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9, 10 WMA Bit Rate 48~384kbps, VBR AAC Format iTunes AAC AAC Bit Rate 16~320kbps File Name 64 bytes Folder Name 64 bytes ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4; WMA; iTunes AAC Tag Length 64 bytes Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment Tag Display On/Off List Search File and Folder IP-Bus System Expandability IP-Bus System Control XM Radio Ready Yes Sirius Radio Ready Yes iPod Adapter Ready Yes (Full, 3-line) Multi-CD Control DVD Control TV Tuner Control Display Output Built-in Auxiliary Input Built-In (Rear) Optional (IP-Bus) Auxilary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required External Unit Control 2 Display Features Face Type Flap Face Motorization Auto Slide Motorized Display Type Full-Color Organic EL (OEL) Dot Matrix OEL Size 256 x 64 Customizable Screensavers Update by CD-R Screensaver Studio website www.pioneer.co.jp/car/pclink4a/ Screensaver Movies 1 Multi-Language English, French, Spanish Background Animations 5 Background Pictures 8 + Slideshow Spectrum Analyzers 1 Level Indicators 1 Button (Key) Illumination All-Blue Audio Features Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4 Continuous Power Output 22W x 4 Equalizer 16-Band Graphic Equalizer Presets 5 User Equalizer Settings 2 Loudness Yes DSP Listening Position Selector BBE Digital Electronic Balance/Fader Source Level Adjuster (SLA) Crossover Network 3-Way Crossover High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/63/80/100/ 125/160/200Hz, 0/-6/-12dB/Oct. Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/63/80/100/ 125/160/200Hz, -6/-12/-18dB/Oct. Subwoofer Direct Control Key RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub/Non-Fading) Preout Voltage & Impedance Hi-Volt (5V), 100 ohm General Features Volume Control Rotary Commander Operation Mode Rotary Commander Remote Control 10-Key Card Wired Remote Input Cellular Mute Detachable Face Security Face Case (Included) Warranty 2 Year |
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Silver Member Username: Dsmith07LaGrange, NC US oF A Post Number: 359 Registered: Jun-06 | premier most definetly, cant beat it |
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Bronze Member Username: JeromebakerPost Number: 36 Registered: Dec-05 | Listen to the others, get a decent HU. Stock stereos with aftermarket amps almost defeats the purpose. I was running my 05 taco with the stock unit for about a month, and the damn amp would stay on whenever the truck was on. You could not turn it off even when the HU was off. I barely had to use my heater all of december 04 (RF's punch line gets hot when left on all day). That's what linux gets you. I'm not even going to go into how much sound quality was lost. On the bright side, newer yotas actually have decent speaks, loud enough to hurt your ears before they max out, rather than the previous generation's paper cones. At least they're better than some duals or whatever best buy is pushing these days. You won't need to switch them out unless you really want to. An aftermarket HU will prolly get the job done a lot easier than an amp, but it's all in how much you want to invest and how you want to fill up your limited space with what kind of amp. I chose to give up my backseat for 2 15's and a monoblock... But that's the sacrifice I had to make. Glad I did. |