Best under $200 Help Please!!!
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 142 Registered: Jun-06 | Hey guys, I got some RF punches a lil while back on ebay for $100 thinking they were good, then noticed that there is A LOT better out there. I am in the market for some new subs. I can sell teh RF's to a friend for $100 for the pair. I currently have a A-Bahn A8002V amp, that im using for 400 rms. I would like to use the max 800 rms, and still use my amp. I have been recomended these CVR's... http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-2-NEW-05-KICKER-CVR12-COMP-VR-12-4-ohm-1000-W_W0QQitemZ 180040745187QQihZ008QQcategoryZ39777QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have been told that these will hit pretty hard with my A8002V amp in my Blazer. What do you guys think? Also I want to try to avoid buying/building a new box. I built one for my RF's and it turned out realy nice. It was just that it was about a $40 8 hour job. The box is 35x15x15 and it is sealed. Would this box be ok for the CVR's? Will they sound great fine or bad in it? How much better will the CVR's sound in the box then the RF's in the same box? Also If it will sound bad are there any mods I can do to the box to make it sound better for example putting in ports? Thanks for help in advance, sorry for all the questions! |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2273 Registered: Feb-06 | go to ebay search for phoenix gold gold octane r's then get a pair they are better than cvr's and cost way cheaper and will give you more spl and better sq. oh find the ones that are z rated because there are two octanes r the regulars and the the z rated ull be better with phoenix gold |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2274 Registered: Feb-06 | and if u go with sealed the phoenix gold will be better on sealed |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 143 Registered: Jun-06 | Would the PG's work with my current A8002v amp? How much better are they than the cvrs? I want them to be pretty load, but sound quality is also important. Thanks. KO |
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Silver Member Username: Livin_loudNy Post Number: 355 Registered: Jan-06 | First off, I think you should add a round port to your box and see what happens. It might just be enough to hold you off for awhile until you can upgrade again, (because you WILL want to, even after this) and that would give you time to save up more for better equipment. If your not happy with that, and your willing to spend under $200 on subs, I think two of these would fit you pretty good. They would work good in that box I believe, and if you port it, it'll only be louder. They will outshine the Punches in every aspect, ported or sealed. http://ascendantaudio.com/assassin12specs.html |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2276 Registered: Feb-06 | xmax on the cvr are 11 one way on phoenix godl are 32mm peak to peak and 16 one way. rms its pretty much equal and phoenix will sound much richier and louder no doubt |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleAudioqueUSA Post Number: 1927 Registered: Feb-06 | you could look at some audioques. you could get 2 SD2s, or 1 SD2.5 www.audioque.com |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2277 Registered: Feb-06 | ILL STAY WITH THE PHOENIX GOLD. cheaper better built quiality and great results. the assasins are also pretyt good but will be juzz the same as the octanes so chose watever u like best |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 144 Registered: Jun-06 | could you possible give me a ebay link to the subs your talking about lilrob? I just want to make sure im looking at the same think you are. |
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Silver Member Username: Freezeman_7Lindsay, Oklahoma Post Number: 452 Registered: May-06 | https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/281114.html |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleAudioqueUSA Post Number: 1931 Registered: Feb-06 | i say get an SD 2.5 |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleAudioqueUSA Post Number: 1932 Registered: Feb-06 | or thoes REs^^ |
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Silver Member Username: Freezeman_7Lindsay, Oklahoma Post Number: 453 Registered: May-06 | im tellin ya man, they the sh!t |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleAudioqueUSA Post Number: 1933 Registered: Feb-06 | whats the rms on em? |
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Silver Member Username: Wolfman1966WEST MONROE , LOUISIANA USA Post Number: 737 Registered: Jan-06 | AUDIOPIPE |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2281 Registered: Feb-06 | here u go dude. this will definately fill your needs. http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Phoenix-Gold-Subs-Octane-ZR-12D4-Subwoofers-ZR12D4-NR_W0QQ itemZ110046309788QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18803QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110046309 788 oh by the wya im gettin 6 of them |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleAudioqueUSA Post Number: 1938 Registered: Feb-06 | wow shipping is 5O$, what are you gonna do with 6? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2283 Registered: Feb-06 | i know man. fakin shippin its 150 for the six of them. the total its 360 shipped |
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Silver Member Username: Freezeman_7Lindsay, Oklahoma Post Number: 455 Registered: May-06 | 175wrms each |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 145 Registered: Jun-06 | Will the RE's, PG Octanes, and audioques, all work with my amp and get 800 rms out of it? Here are my amp specs, 4 Ohm Stereo 200 X 2 2 Ohm Stereo 400 X 2 4 Ohm Mono 800 X 1 |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2289 Registered: Feb-06 | u can get the phoenix gold octanes r dual 4 ohms. http://cgi.ebay.com/2-PHOENIX-GOLD-OCTANE-R-R12D-12-DVC-500W-SUBWOOFERS-05_W0QQi temZ250040453796QQihZ015QQcategoryZ18803QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2500404537 96 ^^^ those are regular r u can spend 10-20 bucks more for the pair to get the z rated the 10-20 bucks are worth it man belive me . well heres the z rated i think 10 bucks more http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-Phoenix-Gold-Subs-Octane-ZR-12D-Subwoofers-ZR12-NR_W0QQ itemZ110045962486QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18803QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110045962 486 heres how to wire the subs http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp but hey u will have to bridge your amp so each woofer wil have 400 rms |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 146 Registered: Jun-06 | Ok, so how would I do the bridging? Also whats the difference betweem the Z rated and non Z rated? They would be fine be only be overpowered by 50 RMS im sure. Does anybody else have any opinions on these subs? Or does anybody else have more opinions on subs in about the same price range? How do these subs compare to the CVR's and RE's? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2296 Registered: Feb-06 | the phoenix gols definately will be loduer and cleaner than re and cvr if u know how to install them correctly the regulars have less xmax and less rms and a smaller magnet. the z rated have more xmax and a bigger magnet and ofcorese mroe rms. if u overpowered them by 50rms will be fine i recomend to overpower them by 80 rms that will be better. ull be happy. but i recomend u the zrated its betteer for your money too. |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 147 Registered: Jun-06 | Could you possibly give me a digram or elplain to me how to install them so i can get te most out of them? My AIM sn is puckhead3131 if you want to talk to me there. Thanks a ton lilrob you have helped me a ton. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2298 Registered: Feb-06 | cant do it man i dont have aim. prperly install them its how do you install the subs on the box, for example wich enclousure u put the woofers the phoenix get fairly loud on small to medium enclousures but the instructions booklet tells you how much space its needed for a box. but if u only want sq put them on sealed they will get alil louder but not as loud as in a ported. |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 148 Registered: Jun-06 | The box is 35x15x15, sealed, you think that would hit hard? |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 149 Registered: Jun-06 | Theres the specs on the PG Z rated subs • 12d2: 12 inch 4/1 ohm subwoofer • 12d4: 12 inch 8/2 ohm subwoofer • Sensitivity: 90dB (1W/1M) And heres the specs on my amp again, 4 Ohm Stereo 200 X 2 2 Ohm Stereo 400 X 2 4 Ohm Mono 800 X 1 Can somebody show me how to properly wire them? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2299 Registered: Feb-06 | thats box its BIG for a sealed box wat u can do its buy two ports and put them in there so it can hit hard . yeha like i said that box its way too big for 2 12's in sealed nto even the cvr or assasins will sounds loud in that box |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 150 Registered: Jun-06 | But the box will be fine for the PG''s if I put in ports? What size 2"? And where exactly do you put ports? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2300 Registered: Feb-06 | yeah that will be good alil big but not a big deal. u can add a 4 to 6 inch port for more low end thump u can ask marshall white he got a tread tell him your box dimensions and u want to tune them at spl(willnot sound verygood) 40hz sql(best of both worlds) 35hz sq (will get u the most low end with the cleanestsignal but wil not get too loud) 28hz i recomend you to tune your sub box at 35hz. |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 151 Registered: Jun-06 | what exactly is spl, and is it a big deal im not getting much of it? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2302 Registered: Feb-06 | no ur not gonna lose alot of spl if u tune it at around 32hz. spl its loudness and preasure the speaker makes. its juzz the loudest but sometimes loudest doesnt mean better. like spl competitors all of their set up u cant juzz pop a cd inthere and listen to musik those set ups juzz for a s ingle tone to get loud u cant eve listen to musik there. sometimes a pure spl set up its REALLLY anoying thats why a sql subs its the most common in car audio. because ull get alil louder and sound really good, but if ur a audiophile and u want the best clarity wat u need its sq its on the taste if u like loudness go with a spl set up u want the best of both worlds get a sql set up and ur really into musik and want the last very detail ull need a sq set up. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4876 Registered: Jun-04 | dont get caught up in spl if you arent competing all it does is ruin your hearing....go for sound quality it's where youll end up 9 times out of ten |
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Silver Member Username: RiskybPost Number: 277 Registered: Feb-06 | I would just buy one Diamond Audio D6 15'' sub. They are like 200$ shipped from ebay. It's efficient enough to use that amp but it can definitly take more should you decide to buy a different amplifier. Here is a link to see when one of these can do even in a prefab box. http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Diamond%20Audio/d615.2.wmv |
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Gold Member Username: TjmutlowPost Number: 3062 Registered: Sep-05 | sealed boxes are calculated for airspace, I would like to know how you tune a sealed box? the octane sereis subs is a very entry level sub from them and i think the cvrs are a better sub.at least not the entry sub from them and for that amp you need dual 4 ohm subs and go to www.the12volt.com and look under woofer wiring to run them at 4 ohms. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4878 Registered: Jun-04 | tuning of a sealed box really comes down to the airspace and type of sound you want....a sealed box does have a center frequency which is based on the subwoofers theil small parameters |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 152 Registered: Jun-06 | Yea tahts whgat I was thinking, If they are so good how can they be so cheap? Im going to end up spending about the same amount of money I spent for the RF's, so how can there be that great of a difference? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4879 Registered: Jun-04 | if sound quality is what you want with a simple enclosure the jl audio 12 w6 v2 is the best ive heard to date |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 153 Registered: Jun-06 | I want to keep my box, and amp, and get a subs with a lot of sound quality but can also get pretty loud. 2 12" subs Match my amp specs Good SQ Decent Loudness Under $230 a pair |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4880 Registered: Jun-04 | two image dynamics 12's idq series would fit that bill with excellent sq and bang in your price range |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4881 Registered: Jun-04 | well they arent as cheap as i remembered but heres one site http://www.mainstreet-audio.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code =IMSUB |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4882 Registered: Jun-04 | here we go these guys are cheaper...http://www.carmedia1.com/ |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4883 Registered: Jun-04 | opps that isnt the 12's |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 4886 Registered: Jun-04 | I tried for ya but ive had these sites a while now ...carmedia was the ticket for you but they sold out what they had apparently |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 7106 Registered: Dec-04 | I reccomend the Immage Dynamic's that Sean posted over every other option mentioned here. Your box is on the BIG side at 1.75 cu/ft per sub. I would go with what Lilrob said and port that box. |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 154 Registered: Jun-06 | Wont 2 12" Immage Dynamics only be 500rms, arent they like 200-250 rms a piece? ALso what u guys think about about the Diamond Audios? How will tehy sound with my a8002v amp and 35x15x15 sealed box? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2314 Registered: Feb-06 | blaze ur gonna be better wiht phoenix gold but if u dont want to get them its cool, the diamonds are also good will not be as loud as the two phoenix gold but it will sounds very nice. image dynames idq have awesome sq as well but dont get too loud like i said ill stick with the phoenix gold i know they seem pretty cheap but oh well its up to you man hope u chose the right one im out. oh yeah try to port your box with some flared ports  lilrob |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 155 Registered: Jun-06 | ha ha yea, i guess the thing is they seem too good to be true ya know? I mean subs that cost only about 100$ being better than subs that cost double that. Im just a little suspitious, plus theres no ROE videos or anything on them, do you happen to have any vids lilrob? Also does anybody have a good link on how to install ports? |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 156 Registered: Jun-06 | ha ha yea, i guess the thing is they seem too good to be true ya know? I mean subs that cost only about 100$ being better than subs that cost double that. Basicly im just cautious because my RF stage 1ns cost about the same, and im def not digging them. Im just a little suspitious, plus theres no ROE videos or anything on them, do you happen to have any vids lilrob? Also does anybody have a good link on how to install ports? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2318 Registered: Feb-06 | well man if u dont trust them dont get them bro. later on when i get my set up done ill show u im in the process of getitin 6 zr;s but oh well man its your decicion man. well man hope u chose someting good man peace. |
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Silver Member Username: BlazerboyPost Number: 157 Registered: Jun-06 | alright, I still might get them, let me know when you get yours. Thanks for all teh help lilrob. KO |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Chicago, Ill Us Post Number: 2323 Registered: Feb-06 | oh by the way check marshall whites tread of the phoenix golds, and ull see them that phoenix gold worht the money. and no cvr, asasin or diamonds are gonna give you results like that in a basic install |
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