Well I got my HC 2400's today and although I knew the dimensions before hand when I saw them in person I was like HOLY CRAP...these batts are massive and weigh 70 pounds.Unfortunately there is some cosmetic damage thanks to UPS and I'm missing a few small parts Oh well I'm still pretty happy about getting them so fast,it only took 2 days(Ordered Tuesday and received Thursday).
"I have two HC800's and they're almost enough," Do you realize that by Kinetik's reccomendations you only have enough battery power for 1600 watts RMS?If you're only running 2(One under the hood and one in the rear) think about how much power your factory accessories use up.If those are "almost enough" does that mean you are sending a clipped signal to your sub(s)?Oh and I also have a HC1800 for under the hood.By the way I personally think 3krms is not serious power but we are all entitled to our opinion.
For obviouse reasons, Kinetik underrates their batteries. I have only a 200 amp alternator, and a red top under the hood. I have an Orion 2500D at 1 ohm that'll draw around 250 amps, and my Zapco 750.2 to run the components and it will draw somewhere around 100 amps.
I've yet to see my voltage drop below 13.5...
So argue if you want, but you just wasted a lot of money on battery you don't need... I'm not trying to start a fight, just making a point...
"I have two HC800's and they're almost enough" To me that says it all I'll actually be running more batteries in the future,when I'm running 8K RMS,in a couple months or so I find it surprising that Kinetik's tech(Erik Harbour) could be misleading me/people.Thanks for the advice Jake but don't worry about money,I have enough to waste.It's always better safe than sorry.You have a 350 amp draw from amplifiers alone?Did you factor in your vehicles accessories?I'd assume that's another 40 amp draw.So you have approximately 400 amps of current being drawn all run off a 200 amp Alt.Sounds like a bad deal to me personally.I'll stick with my 300 amp Alt from Iraggi and my 3 Kinetiks for now.I'll install more batts when I shoot for 160
Well if he is sitting there...he probably isn't getting that maximum output of 200 amps anyhow,unless he has his foot on the gas pedal while in park,revving the engine but why would you do that?I only bump my stuff when parked when I am testing and tuning it,other than that I don't see a good reason to bump while parked for a long period of time.As I stated above previously he has a much bigger draw of current than he has coming out of his alt,which is why the extra capacity in batteries is a good idea,especially with Kinetiks which have such an extreme rate of discharge, that's why I have the battery capacity I'm running.
Ive run several high power systems will the correct amount v supplied.
We'll use the last 2 for example.
2 Treo SSX 1500.1s ......5 2400's not near enough.
1 Tru Technology Sledgehammer.....5 2400's not near enough.
Both systems over 4kwrms, easily. Not counting the highs amps. STILL had 1.5-2v drops. With ohio gen's OR alterstarts. Its not the alts, its the lack of storage. Voltage measured where it matters, at the amps.
When, just for giggles, the system was linking to a 8 battery bank (2 per 1k) which i recommend, i had very little drop. (ave was .6)
If you have a true 3500w, and wtfe alt you want, and you think 2 1800's will cut it, your sadly mistaken, and i feel sorry for the alt your killing.
Noone said this was going to be cheap or easy and for the life of me i dont understand why ppl want to argue their "im to broke to do it the right way POV". Your theory is irrelevent, what you "think" is enough is irrelevent.
A "good idea" is to have enough alt to match your draw, and enough battery storage for it to draw from.
IF, IMO, you dont have 2 decent batteries per 1000w, you dont have enough.
IF you dont have roughly 70a of alt per 1000w, plus stock, you dont have enough.
IF you have that red top wired to your Kinetiks, you need to walk away from this thread.
You need power to make power. You need storage to have it on hand. Period, nothing to argue. Go big or go home. There is no such thing as "getting by", and i wish ppl would stop telling others there is.
Big amps + big alts + big batteries + big money = a decent system.
I love when the word "literally" is used incorrectly You literally cannot physically step on the gas pedal and move your vehicle?I find that very hard to believe...although it may make it difficult for you to drive I doubt it "literally" makes it impossible.Thanks for clearing this up Ren.Go for Kinetik batteries instead of Optimas,I'm sure you'll be far more satisfied.
Ha.It's a battery.Pretty much any good battery is heavy.Think about those cheap dollar store batteries they're extremely light most of the time and they run out of juice fast.You get some quality batts such as duracell or Energizer and not only do they usually weigh more but they also last longer.See where I'm going with this?If you have a hard time imagining why that weighs so much think about how much lead weighs.It's all about what's inside is my point You need to be more careful when lifting heavy things because it's not hard to seriously injure yourself.
This is one reason I don't like ecoustics, I must repeat myself several times before I'm heard.
"The only time I run it all out is when I'm sitting. You literally can't drive with it all the way up. And yet again, I've yet to see less than 13.5 volts..."
Yet again, I will repeat it, so maybe someone will read it, and hopefully understand...
I don't listen to it at full volume while I'm driving. Only while I'm sitting, and for very short periods of time. And I did a test, with varioius music, and test tones, with a friend revving the engine to approx. 2,000RPM, at full volume. I DID NOT SEE anything under 13.5 volts. Therefore... It's fine. So argue with me all you like. I've seen it with my own eyes.
"IF, IMO, you dont have 2 decent batteries per 1000w, you dont have enough."
The type of battery, voltage, and size of the battery all come into action here, obviously.
"IF you dont have roughly 70a of alt per 1000w, plus stock, you dont have enough."
That also depends on the type of amp. And you must also remember that most people don't run their systems at full volume...
"IF you have that red top wired to your Kinetiks, you need to walk away from this thread."
Why is that a problem? There is a relay between the Red Top and the Kinetiks so when the car is off, they aren't electrically connected. If you understood electricity, you'd know this.
Now for my turn: IF, IMO, you get on here, and try to argue with someone like me. About something so stupid, that you obviously don't truely understand or haven't fully thought about, or studied, you're an idiot.
I was a mechanic for many years of my life, and have about as much background in this sort of thing as Glasswolf. His knowledge is much broader, but when you sit here and try to tell someone what they need, tell them specifics, don't generalize.
I'm done with this thread. And if you want to see my voltage (at the amps, "where it matters") come on over.
You must have graduated from Lincoln Tech.Lol.If I can recall you came on here and told me I didn't need the batts I have...but then you say this- "but when you sit here and try to tell someone what they need, tell them specifics, don't generalize." way to contradict yourself Well...cya later Glasswolf Jr.
I didnt see any contradicting there. He said you had excessive batteries...how does saying "don't generalize" contradict that? And if Jakes system works just fine, and stays at 13.5v, then how can you tell him he's wrong?
Jordan if you actually took the time to read the entire thread you would see exactly what I am talking about.If you already read the thread...read it again,then you may understand what Jake and I both said.Jordan I never told him that he was wrong,I said I personally wouldn't run off of so little battery capacity.If he can run his system off of those two batteries that's great,his system is still running fine from what he said and that's good but I'm going to run more batteries/capacity because I think it's a much safer/smarter/better route.
o ok. Well when i read it the first time it dint seem to come out that way. I thought that you was trying to say that theres no way only 2 of those batteries could allow for his system to run like that
Anyways, i know that 2 Yellow tops are about the same as a kinetik2000(maybe) not sure which model, driving helped me out. He said kinetiks are a better choice, but for $120 for 2 Optima yellow tops, should i just get those? I'm going to be running an Orion 2500d and small components amp.
That's a good deal for the 2 yellow tops.For that price you can't go wrong.Just make sure to watch your voltage because even with all the capacity in the world you will eventually run out of it at some point,only if your current draw is more than your alt's output.
Yea. Ima get a HO alt eventually, ive got a few lil problems to take car of first, then im gunna start savin. My original plan was to get that before my new susb, but i found a good deal and couldnt let it pass.
Would a 220-240a alt be enuf for my system? orion 2500d, 2 DD9512, maybe a small comp. amp.