Which is better at SPL, SQ, SQL, or quickness? 12" ported or 15" sealed?

 

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Username: Pelona

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But does it also depend on the subwoofer?

For example, a 15" TI sealed and a 12" TI ported
 

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Username: 420pimp2

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It's more a matter of opinion. Very debatible topic.
 

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Username: Pelona

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thats the smartest thing i heard you say P.imp
 

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Username: Southern_bass

Paris, Tennessee U.S.

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yea it depends on the sub , some like sealed and some like ported , like with my sx , you dont wanna stick it in a sealed box
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

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Tis do best in ported enclosures bar none. Go with the 12" ported for SQ. SPL will be about the same as the sealed 15".
 

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Username: Pelona

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i thought the tis performed best in small sealed enclosures?
 

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Username: 420pimp2

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Im good like that pelon.Upload
 

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Username: Southern_bass

Paris, Tennessee U.S.

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thats what ive always heard , u just gotta experiment
 

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Username: Pelona

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WTF P!mp?
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

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Ported is key. I've dealt with Eclipse before, and one thing I can tell you is that Eclipse tech support doesn't really "know" their sub lineup, nor do they really recommend the best applications for these subs. I know that line may sound a little crazy, but Eclipse subs are built by TC sounds. I have dealt with enough Tis and the older Aluminums, and I can promise you they do MUCH better ported. You can verify this just by plotting this in WinISD or more elaborate box building programs. They are heavily inclined to ported enclosures.
 

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Username: Pelona

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but do they still perform well in small enclosures?

and whats the ported and sealed range for a 12" and a 15" ti

i would guess that the enclosures should be small.
 

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Username: 420pimp2

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yea Pelon They def sound better in a sealed box.
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

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They perform well in small sealed boxes (pretty much any low Qts sub works well small sealed or ported), they just open up a LOT more ported. Much better low end out of the subs, combined with lower distortion.
 

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Username: Suleman36

Maryland U.S.A.

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I have a sealed 2.25 cuft box for anyone interested to use. It was used for my Avalanche 15 but can also be used for this Eclipse Ti 15.

Anyone interested here just let me know.
 

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Username: Pelona

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hey jonathan, i thought that sealed has a better low end then ported.
 

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Username: Chaunb3400

Huntsville, Alabama U.S.

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How much 4 the box MO
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

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"hey jonathan, i thought that sealed has a better low end then ported."

Nope. Ported is stronger down to tuning frequency. Below that, ported rolls off at a faster rate than sealed, but if you tune low ported will have higher SPL at any audible frequency.
 

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Username: Pelona

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but when you tune lower doesnt the tuning frequency peak become flat like sealed?

like the lower you tune the flatter the peak spl is at.
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

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A .707 q is usually recommended for sealed. Fsc (-3db point) typically occurs between 40-50hz for most examples of 12" subs, though it varies. 10s and 8s will be even higher. Fc is resonance, which will be at a higher frequency than F3. So, your sub will effectively be flat to Fc and will roll off at a rate of approximately 12db/oct past that. At and around resonance, a sealed sub sees its highest excursion, also the most distortion at that point. That's one thing I don't like about sealed at high volumes, since you're in the meat of the bass range.

A ported box will (should) give a flat response down to tuning. The difference between ported and sealed is that it allows a lower system resonance than sealed (say 30hz or whatever you tune to), thus giving you improved low frequency response. The port also gives more mechanical control over the driver at that point, lowering distortion in addition to the added output. Ported boxes are actually capable of being better damped at resonance than sealed boxes are. Remember, ported enclosures aren't actually 3db louder at all frequencies, they're considered 3db louder is because they are able to provide a flat response to a lower frequency. In a car, this can result in a peak due to transfer function (cabin gain). The only time you get a peaky anechoic output is when it is designed for that, or you are using a sub not well suited for a ported enclosure. Drawbacks of ported are that they lose power handling below tuning, and group delay is higher.
 

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Username: Cenus

Hicksville, Ohio Usa

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Registered: Jan-05
don't mean to hijack this thread but jonathan have you heard of a single reflex band pass box, i was reading about it in one of my carstereo books, its a seald box and a ported box in one, and i was wondering if you knew any information on it.

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