jah Unregistered guest | Hey ,is there any major significance to the 24bitdac because i realised that many head unit have this in them but i am yet to see any alpine with a 24bitdac.Does this mean alpine is lagging behind in technolgy and hence their sq is not fantastic or the 24bitdac is irrelevant in the sq of a head unit .Can someone help me out here thanks |
Silver Member Username: VinnyqhPortland, OR Post Number: 129 Registered: Nov-05 | it is, and it isn't. some people like the 24bit DAC some like the 1 bit (if you don't believe me ask some home audio guys). alpine does have 24 bit DAC i believe in their 9855 and their 9853. |
Gold Member Username: Kd7nfrMontpelier, ID United States Post Number: 1310 Registered: Apr-05 | Alpine doesn't offer 24 bit DAC. Maybe their F1 Status does, but they're showroom models don't. |
jah Unregistered guest | Thanks jake ,but does this mean an alpine would not sound as clean as say the new sony gt 300 because it has a regulated 1bit dac while the sony as a 24bit dac anyone got an answer to this? another thing i am curious about is the signal to noise ratio, sony is the best in this department @120 db for the cd section,and yet i see alot of people thrash sony on this forum .Are sony`s firgure false and just a way to sell their products or this is just not an import aspect to look at when choosing a head unit Thanks guy i would appreciate any kind of help here |
Gold Member Username: IlluminatorUSA Post Number: 2409 Registered: Apr-05 | http://www.tc.umn.edu/~erick205/Papers/paper.html
Basically, more problems are involved with more bits to handle. Alpine might be playing it safe by keeping it at 1 bit where there is less chance of error. Of course, this shouldn't dissuade you from getting a CD player with a multi-bit converter. They do sound better most of the time. You just have to remember: better sound=more money, regardless of how many bits a DAC has. Analog amplification and other stages of audio processing also have to be taken into consideration. Thanks to zx1100e2 for getting me the above link.
Yep, don't go by their specs. |
jah Unregistered guest | Hey jexx thank you very much for your input ,you have been very helpful |
Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 10826 Registered: Dec-03 | my alpine 7990 has 24 bit burr-brown K-grade DACs. anyway, there are linear 1-bit DACs that essentially process data in serial stream, and 24 bit DACs that process the two 8 bit streams of a stereo signal, and have an 8 bit comparitor "overlap" used for error correction. Honestly I don't think you'll hear the difference, especially in a moving and running car. Most players with 24bit DACs are higher models though so other factors will make them sound different or better. Usually higher line voltages, signal processing, etc. |
jah Unregistered guest | hey glasswolf thanks for the info , i now know that for a head unit to sound good some other factor come into play and having a 24bit dac does not guarantee a better sq than a head unit with a 1 bit dac. i stand to be corrected thou as i am new at this i wld also like to know what to look out for when choosing a head unit in term of sq. i ask you this question because for you to own the alpine 7990 you must be an audiophile and i am trying to be one as well |
Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 10834 Registered: Dec-03 | 4V line outs are great when using amplifiers. the higher the line voltage (4V vs 2V) the better the signal resolution will be.. you'll get a cleaner, and more detailed signal at the other end of the line. quality brands will have better internals and build quality as you go up in price and product line. There's really no set list of things to get to guarantee a good source unit though. A lot of it comes down to experience or knowing what companies' products sound like, or how different designs affect the coloration or SQ of a unit etc. Aside from just getting a decent solid head unit with good line outs, look for the features you want, like mp3 support etc. outside of that the head unit is the least of your concerns for good SQ. the speakers, placement, and amplification are far more vital to the end result. |
Gold Member Username: Kd7nfrMontpelier, ID United States Post Number: 1321 Registered: Apr-05 | Glasswolf is still alive and kick'in! Did you find a woman or something? Just wondering where you've been. You better have a good excuse... Heh. |
Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 10840 Registered: Dec-03 | does cataract surgery count? |
Bronze Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 24 Registered: Nov-05 | now ur GlassEye ahahaahahah.. no offense |
Gold Member Username: Kd7nfrMontpelier, ID United States Post Number: 1328 Registered: Apr-05 | What kind of corrective surgery was it? Was it a major problem or did you just get sick and tired of wearing glasses? |
Silver Member Username: Audioguy22Post Number: 194 Registered: Jul-05 | For the most part, its all about marketing! The SQ is mostly in the Analog output stage. Old 16 bit DAC's with a Discrete analog stage will sound a lot better than 24 bit DAC's with op-amp analog stage. |
Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 10847 Registered: Dec-03 | lens replacement for cataracts. |
Gold Member Username: Kd7nfrMontpelier, ID United States Post Number: 1334 Registered: Apr-05 | Ouch. |