Protection mode on an Alpine...

 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 1
Registered: Apr-04
Hi, folks! This is the first time I post, so I guess I'm a newbie with a problem; I have an Alpine Flex356 feeded by a Blaupunkt Daytona MP3. The front speakers are from Lanzar, the rear from Proaudio (6" * 9"). The prob is when I connect the rear ones, the amp runs so hot (green led still on), it cuts out after 10 minutes on a sunny day (I live in Portugal), but I don't wanna throw them away, 'cause they sound so good specially in the bass, I don't need a sub.!!! Seems to me that the speakers go so deep in the bass section, it makes the impedance fall and therefore overheat the amp! On the other hand, the amp has such good sound I'll miss it! Any sugestions?
Thanks in advance!
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 2283
Registered: Dec-03
the amp may be wired for too low of a load.
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 3
Registered: Apr-04
How come? It can be wired to provide 2,3,4, or 5 channels, but I never used the sub output!? Plus, right now I'm using the front speakers (Lanzar) in the 2-channels-bridged mode, and it don't even get warm... Is it possible that the rear speakers's coil are made of a to-thick wire to get the impedance too low on the bass section?
TIA
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 3
Registered: Apr-04
How come? It can be wired to provide 2,3,4, or 5 channels, but I never used the sub output!? Plus, right now I'm using the front speakers (Lanzar) in the 2-channels-bridged mode, and it don't even get warm... Is it possible that the rear speakers's coil are made of a to-thick wire to get the impedance too low on the bass section?
TIA
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 4
Registered: Apr-04
Ok, first I have to thank you for your reply!
But I replaced all the terminals at output and speakers (soldered) connections, checked all the wiring several times, don't have a sub and I even replaced the ground cable (trunk floor), by one straight to the battery negative contact... but no results, I still burned my hand, literally!
TIA
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 5
Registered: Apr-04
By the way, another question: if I don't get to cohabitate the Proaudio and the Alpine, will I be able to connect in parallel both speakers to the sub output? By the manual, I can't tell if this output (100W) would handle 2 ohm...
TIA
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 2286
Registered: Dec-03
if the channel is bridged, it only takes 4 ohms.
if its not a bridged output then 2 ohms is fine
the amp may just be in a bad location. older class AB high power amps get very hot anyway.
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 6
Registered: Apr-04
TKS! But shouldn't the sub output be able to handle 2 ohm, since it's not bridgeable? And if when they were connected to the rear outputs (which SHOULD handle 2 ohms), they were overheating the amp, what will happen if I parallel them?
TIA
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 7
Registered: Apr-04
I have even considered removing the amp, dismounting it, and applying several fans along the heatsinks...:-(
TIA
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 2288
Registered: Dec-03
if its a mono channel then yeas 2 ohms is fine, even if that means two 4 ohm subs in parallel.
just be aware the larger speakers (ie, subs) will make the amp work harder, and get hotter.

the fans may be a good idea.
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 10
Registered: Apr-04
Thanks! Is there a way to check if the speakers impedance's dropping too low? I know my way around digital multimeters, but don't have no oscilloscope and stuff...
TIA
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

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Registered: Dec-03
not really. if the drivers are 4 ohms nominal, that should be fine.
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 11
Registered: Apr-04
Ok, I think I just found the prob. It seems to be on the 5th channel (sub), which is somehow connected to the rear channels... As soon as I plugged both rear speakers (Proaudio 6"*9"), it started heating fast, cutting in and out the outputs. Then I removed one of them to get 4 ohms, started working hot but no cuts, with very weak bass (gain at max), even weaker than in the front ones, which in turn had the "HP FILTER" on at 80Hz. So, What seems to be happening is the sub/rear outputs are degraded and need fix, maybe due to water ingress I had a few years ago on the room the amp was stored (for 6 years, in the box)! Would you agree? See schemes. TIA Page 1Page2
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 2312
Registered: Dec-03
may be a damaged amp.
Kicker and MTX offer some great alternatives for a single solution multi-channel amp now.
 

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Username: Soccer

Post Number: 17
Registered: Apr-04
Damn! I bought it 5-6 years ago, waiting for the chance to mount it and now I have to throw it away...:-( ! Well I think I'll open it to see what I can do before giving up! The funny part is that the guys at Demestre (Alpine official in Portugal) had it for 3 days and couldn't find a fault! Could they be using a pure resistive load, such as a 100W-4ohm resistor?
TIA!
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 2325
Registered: Dec-03
have them look at the actual install then
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